Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Score in the film) - SPOILERS ALLOWED!

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Pulse of the City is reasonably clean in the rear channels, and it's actually a very fun cue! What a shame it wasn't included on the album (even though I understand why, if Williams didn't even write it!)

[Damien F 1,742]

I presume Pulse of the City won't be on the FYC because it wasn't written by Williams.

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Sadly not But it's intertwined with source music anyway, so I think that was always unlikely.

 

Who knows if anything from the prologue will be included, potentially not! There's plenty of chunks of new music, but it's constantly interrupted by recycled music from scores 1-4.

[Brónach 1,302]

doesn't it violate the oscar rules?

[Jay 37,373]

I got through the first 30 minutes of the film last night.

 

Within those first 30 minutes (actually 30 1/2 minutes), there is 21 minutes of score.

 

The opening Prologue is about 22 minutes long, and contains 18:15 or so of score.

[Jay 37,373]

On 14/08/2023 at 10:50 AM, Andy said:

Home Video Release Announcement

August 29. 

 

Digital only, with discs presumably to follow later. 
 

The bonus features list John Williams in one of the Making of Chapters. 
 

No isolated score is listed. 

 

 

Has anybody on JWFan purchased the film digitally and watched these bonus features yet?  If I understand correctly, the bonus features are not on Disney+, and only come with a VOD purchase.

[Faleel 5,359]

Where would be the best place to purchase from?

[Jay 37,373]

Appears to be $20 on both Amazon and Vudu so I guess it wouldn't matter?

 

https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/indiana-jones-5

[Faleel 5,359]

19 minutes ago, Jay said:

Appears to be $20 on both Amazon and Vudu so I guess it wouldn't matter?

 

https://www.justwatch.com/us/movie/indiana-jones-5

Well, I was referring more to downloadability, quality etc.

[Jay 37,373]

OK, I just learned I was misinformed; The movie isn't even on Disney+ yet, it only arrived on VOD today.  The Disney+ launch date is not currently known.

 

So, the featurette very well could be on Disney+, once the movie gets added there.

[Bellosh 3,419]

I bought the film on YouTube and listened to it at work today.

 

To Morocco has a different ending in the film. Its a very minor difference but it's noticeable and much much better than the one we got on the OST.

[Brando 1,864]

3 hours ago, Bellosh said:

To Morocco has a different ending in the film. Its a very minor difference but it's noticeable and much much better than the one we got on the OST.

JW: 

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Isn't the film version just a microedited version of the OST track? It's missing the biggest statement of Helena's Theme.

 

Unless the film version is To Morocco Again, which might be JW poking fun at writing a revised ending?

 

14 hours ago, LB Makes Stuff said:

It’s indeed in that scene, but the line is actually “For who?”

also, the music is pitched down for that scene compared to the album version.

 

Yes, you're right! It's Indy's line. Even though it's unscored in this clip, in the film itself it's scored with the first 47 seconds of New York, 1969 (so that section of the OST track must be the cue For Who... Whom?)

 

 

[LB Makes Stuff 240]

Any idea possible theories as to why it’s pitched down in the film? I find that very odd personally, sounds perfectly fine on its own to me.

[Jay 37,373]

OK got through the Tuk Tuk chase tonight.

 

So there's 48 minutes of score in the first 68 minutes of the film.  And nothing from the opening NYC section of the film is on the album except some Voller music.

 

Bill Ross' Pulse of the City cue is GREAT!

[DangerMotif 1,038]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

OK got through the Tuk Tuk chase tonight.

 

So there's 48 minutes of score in the first 68 minutes of the film.  And nothing from the opening NYC section of the film is on the album except some Voller music.

 

Bill Ross' Pulse of the City cue is GREAT!

Have you checked out the Bonus Features? Is there enough Williams in it to purchase it?

 

[Jay 37,373]

I don't have a clue about any features.  I'm hoping they show up on Disney+ when the film does

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7 minutes ago, DangerMotif said:

Have you checked out the Bonus Features? Is there enough Williams in it to purchase it?

 

 

A few clips have been released and unfortunately it's full of generic music. The first clip they released used Williams' score for Ancient Syracuse, so I hoped the entire documentary would use JW music. Seems I was wrong.

 

But it'd still be great to see whatever interview footage with Williams they've done.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

I found this kinda neat. During the second half of the chase when the Tuk Tuk gets sandwiched between the two cars, the percussion (bongos?) from earlier picks up again, but you can't hear it in the film at all. In fact as far as I can tell they appear to be completely muted in the front and center channels.

 

Full film audio:

 

Music only:

 

EDIT: Also in the same cue, gee this sounds awfully familiar...

 

[CompleteRecordingSessions 43]

 

55 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

EDIT: Also in the same cue, gee this sounds awfully familiar...

Indiana Jones and the Conveyor of Destiny.

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1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

I found this kinda neat. During the second half of the chase when the Tuk Tuk gets sandwiched between the two cars, the percussion (bongos?) from earlier picks up again, but you can't hear it in the film at all. In fact as far as I can tell they appear to be completely muted in the front and center channels.

 

Full film audio:

 

Music only:

 

EDIT: Also in the same cue, gee this sounds awfully familiar...

 

What dark magic have you summoned to extract such spectacularly clean unreleased music?!

 

Colour me impressed!! 

[Dr. Know 326]

Let’s get the full end credits ripped, please!

[Jay 37,373]

Haha, I noticed that Conveyor Belt moment last night too!

[LB Makes Stuff 240]

7 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

I found this kinda neat. During the second half of the chase when the Tuk Tuk gets sandwiched between the two cars, the percussion (bongos?) from earlier picks up again, but you can't hear it in the film at all. In fact as far as I can tell they appear to be completely muted in the front and center channels.

 

Full film audio:

 

Music only:

 

EDIT: Also in the same cue, gee this sounds awfully familiar...

JESUS THATS CLEAN WHAT

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

8 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

Music only:

EDIT: Also in the same cue, gee this sounds awfully familiar...

Crystal Lightsabers 

[Damien F 1,742]

11 hours ago, Jay said:

OK got through the Tuk Tuk chase tonight.

 

So there's 48 minutes of score in the first 68 minutes of the film.  And nothing from the opening NYC section of the film is on the album except some Voller music.

 

Bill Ross' Pulse of the City cue is GREAT!

 

I think there is about 20 - 30 seconds from the beginning of the Polybius Cipher track that plays when Helana follows Indy from the college to the bar.

[Jay 37,373]

Oh good tip, I hadn't discovered that yet!  Thank you!

[BrotherSound 2,242]

1 hour ago, Damien F said:

I think there is about 20 - 30 seconds from the beginning of the Polybius Cipher track that plays when Helana follows Indy from the college to the bar.

 

I believe that's tracked, because the same music appears again along with the rest of the Polybius Cipher material. That would explain why 'Helena's Tutorial' is in the cue list in two different places.

 

My little theory is the very opening of the Prologue track is the original cue composed for Helena's introduction.

[Jay 37,373]

I agree with Brothersound.

[Andy 4,141]

10 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

I found this kinda neat. During the second half of the chase when the Tuk Tuk gets sandwiched between the two cars, the percussion (bongos?) from earlier picks up again, but you can't hear it in the film at all. In fact as far as I can tell they appear to be completely muted in the front and center channels.

 

Full film audio:

 

Music only:

 

EDIT: Also in the same cue, gee this sounds awfully familiar...

 

And that my friends is how the J-Team works.  I love it when a plan comes together.

[Chewy 2,396]

The Other Intersection Scene

[Jay 37,373]

The FYC album has arrived:

 

https://debut.disney.com/fyc/twds/movie/indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-1687388228406?tab=music

 

01 - Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny 4:58
02 - Helena's Theme 3:30
03 - Germany 1944 4:42
04 - To Morocco 3:21
05 - Voller Returns 3:06
06 - Auction at Hotel L'Atlantique 2:58
07 - Tuk Tuk in Tangiers 2:29
08 - To Athens 2:17
09 - Perils of the Deep 2:31
10 - Water Ballet 2:29
11 - Polybius Cipher 2:29
12 - The Grafikos 1:59
13 - Archemedes Tomb 1:59
14 - The Airport 1:59
15 - Battle of Syracuse 1:59
16 - Centuries Joins Hands 1:29
17 - New York 1969 1:29
18 - Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra) 1:29

 

[Chewy 2,396]

Hopefully this great cue is available on the FYC

 

EDIT: really??? FYC=OST ?!

[Jay 37,373]

The lengths are different

[Chewy 2,396]

The FYC is in 24-bit / 96kHz!!

 

 

11 minutes ago, Jay said:

The lengths are different

 

Many files look corrupted, with a cut ending. Only some files are correct, and have the same contents as the OST:

• 2. Helena's Theme
• 3. Germany 1944
• 4. To Morocco
• 5. Voller Returns
• 6. Auction at L'Hôtel Atlantique
• 8. To Athens
• 9. Perils Of the Deep

[Jay 37,373]

Yea it looks like they tried to upload the OST album (in 24bit / 96khz), but 11 tracks got corrupted along the way

[Damien F 1,742]

Yes, so it looks like there will be no separate FYC album

[Chewy 2,396]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

Yea it looks like they tried to upload the OST album (in 24bit / 96khz), but 11 tracks got corrupted along the way

 

Sent an email to inform them! 

[Damien F 1,742]

2 minutes ago, Chewy said:

 

Sent an email to inform them! 

 

Can you also ask them to upload the complete sessions.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

So... were the rules changed recently or something, so now they're able to use OST masters?

[Jay 37,373]

Either the rules changed or whoever is in charge of uploading doesn't know them.  The same thing happened last year with Fabelmans, it was just all the OST tracks instead of the actual film versions.  It's a big disappointment after the great run of '11-'19 of getting new music from every Williams scores via FYC

[Taikomochi 1,136]

I just assumed the rules didn’t really apply to Williams, that they’d let him skate by because of his stature. 

[Jay 37,373]

Anyone follow any other 2022 scores to know if their FYCs matched their OSTS or not?

 

I know for 2021 scores, Dune's FYC was definitely different than the OST

[DangerMotif 1,038]

35 minutes ago, Jay said:

Anyone follow any other 2022 scores to know if their FYCs matched their OSTS or not?

 

I know for 2021 scores, Dune's FYC was definitely different than the OST

Wakanda Forever was the same, I think the same for Avatar, all the disney titles and The Batman

[Jay 37,373]

Yeah, sounds about right.  Bad news for film score fans.

[KittBash 282]

6 minutes ago, Jay said:

Yeah, sounds about right.  Bad news for film score fans.

 

Bad news indeed... I was so waiting for this one. 

[Faleel 5,359]

It's also possible, however unlikely, that they might find a weakness and re-upload it.

 

Err... they might put out an updated version that's closer to as in the film, sort of like how Rogue Nation (I know different studio etc.) had like 3 different versions.

[Damien F 1,742]

We got some absolutely vital cues from the FYCs over the years. It's a pity that has seemingly come to an end.

[Jay 37,373]

I really wanted Fabelmans to have that great "Escape to Nowhere" cue, and was hoping Indy 5 would have more music from the Prologue and NYC sections.  But as soon as I saw Disney not bother with FYCs for their other summer-release movies (BFG's never going on the website and Solo not getting one at all), I had zero hopes that Indy 5 would even get one.

[Damien F 1,742]

We are here lamenting about unreleased JW cues and Jon Broxton (who I have a lot of time for) just tweeted to complain that a new album for a TV series is too long because it is 4 hours. I'd rather have too much released music than not enough.