Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Score in the film) - SPOILERS ALLOWED!

[LB Makes Stuff 240]

Listening to Rogue One and found this interesting (JOHN IS STEALING AGAIN???????? CONFIRMED NOT CLICKBAIT!!!!!!!! THE ENDING WILL SHOCK YOU)

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

I thought this was a joke at first, had to double check the film!

 

[Bellosh 3,419]

dude your fuckin avatar lol

[Taikomochi 1,136]

Guessing William Ross is responsible for both. Very strange. 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

Somehow I didn't notice until today (or forgot) that Bill Ross has an orchestrator credit on Rogue One.

[Faleel 5,356]

47 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

I thought this was a joke at first, had to double check the film!

 

[ragoz350 450]

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[LB Makes Stuff 240]

17 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

Somehow I didn't notice until today (or forgot) that Bill Ross has an orchestrator credit on Rogue One.

I don’t even think this is the case of similar orchestrations to be honest, it’s too exact to be that. I’m thinking it’s some alternate take used as temp music they used and just went with it when John said “no baby”. Horns are the same as well as the trumpets and timpani, the only real difference is that ww sync at the end.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

[Will 2,215]

On 06/09/2023 at 6:48 PM, Bellosh said:

 

 

1:03:55-1:03:58  ------> is :15-:18 of The Rocket Sled from KOTCS (i'm almost sure it's not Whirl Thru Academe)

 

1:03:59-1:04:11 ------> is :30-:40 of The Rocket Sled from KOTCS

 

1:04:23- 1:04:36 ------> is somewhere between 1:02-1:27 of Escape From Venice, I can't match it exactly, gonna need help on this...... but it's all Venice.  Interestingly enough that motif transitions really smoothly back into Helena's theme.  Love it.

 

1:05:11 -1:05:12 is more Escape from Venice

 

1:05:22-1:05:23 ------> is 2:11-2:12 of Whirl Thru Acadame 

 

1:05:37-1:05:40 ------> is something from KOTCS, i can't pinpoint it, it's literally all starting to sound the same to me.

 

1:05:49-1:05:55 ------> 2:10-2:15 of Escape from Venice

 

1:33:51-1:33:53 ------> is the nazi theme from The Last Crusade, trying to think of the cue that would have that bit that closely resembles it, any takers?

 

2:04:38-2:05:13 ------> 3:11-3:43 of The Spell of the Skull from KOTCS

 

2:07:20-2:07:23 ------> :34-:36 of Ants!  (someone with better ears might want to double check this, as Ants! has a few moments with these swirling strings, but i think i chose the right one)

 

2:10:22-2:10:31 ------> 3:20-3:28 of The Spell of the Skull. 

 

2:11:09-2:11:19 ------> 2:51:2:59 of Map/Out of Fuel from ToD

 

some of these might be off by a second or two because it seems JW kinda dragged out some of the notes or shortened them in DoD, but for the most part it's the same.

 

I'll keep adding when I notice another one.

 

before you put any of these in spreadsheet, do double check them please.

 

Is this the most comprehensive list of citations to other scores anyone has made so far? @Jay

[Jay 37,369]

Yeah 

[Will 2,215]

On 01/07/2023 at 4:06 PM, Jilal said:

Thought it'd be fun to assemble a list of all cues from previous scores referenced in the prologue. In order of appearance:

 

X Marks the Spot (TLC)

Keeper of the Grail (TLC) [Thanks to @paleo!]

Belly of the Steel Beast (TLC)

R3P4-R4P1 The Medallion (ROTLA)

R11P4 The Broken Bridge (TOD)

R1P6 Once in a Vial (TOD)

R8P5 Pffist Fight (ROTLA)

R2P2 The Boat Scene (TLC)

R10P3-R11P1 On the Tank (TLC)

3M5 The Conveyor Belt (Minority Report)

3M4 Anderton's Great Escape (Minority Report)

R2PA Sub Commander (1941)

7M53 Kathy Kennedy's Great Flying Machine (KOTCS)

5M38 Andy's Full Nelson (KOTCS)

R10P6 The Nazi Hideout (ROTLA)

2M8C Indy Versus The Russian (KOTCS)

2M11 Prairie Dog and Nuclear Cloud (KOTCS)

R1P3 The Rolling Ball (ROTLA)

End Credits (ROTLA)

 

I also seem to recognize the following two bits, but can't quite place them:

 

 

 

 

Ah just remembered this one too.

[Faleel 5,356]

That first clip in Jilal's post sounds like its from The Death of Kazim.

[Will 2,215]

Where is this Raider's March variation from? Jungle Chase?

 

 

[Faleel 5,356]

6 minutes ago, Will said:

Where is this Raider's March variation from? Jungle Chase?

 

 

Yeah. it's a compressed down version of the one in Andy's Full Nelson.

[Indy 17]

On 07/09/2023 at 12:48 AM, Bellosh said:

 

 

1:03:55-1:03:58  ------> is :15-:18 of The Rocket Sled from KOTCS (i'm almost sure it's not Whirl Thru Academe)

 

1:03:59-1:04:11 ------> is :30-:40 of The Rocket Sled from KOTCS

 

1:04:23- 1:04:36 ------> is somewhere between 1:02-1:27 of Escape From Venice, I can't match it exactly, gonna need help on this...... but it's all Venice.  Interestingly enough that motif transitions really smoothly back into Helena's theme.  Love it.

 

1:05:11 -1:05:12 is more Escape from Venice

 

1:05:22-1:05:23 ------> is 2:11-2:12 of Whirl Thru Acadame 

 

1:05:37-1:05:40 ------> is something from KOTCS, i can't pinpoint it, it's literally all starting to sound the same to me.

 

1:05:49-1:05:55 ------> 2:10-2:15 of Escape from Venice

 

1:33:51-1:33:53 ------> is the nazi theme from The Last Crusade, trying to think of the cue that would have that bit that closely resembles it, any takers?

 

2:04:38-2:05:13 ------> 3:11-3:43 of The Spell of the Skull from KOTCS

 

2:07:20-2:07:23 ------> :34-:36 of Ants!  (someone with better ears might want to double check this, as Ants! has a few moments with these swirling strings, but i think i chose the right one)

 

2:10:22-2:10:31 ------> 3:20-3:28 of The Spell of the Skull. 

 

2:11:09-2:11:19 ------> 2:51:2:59 of Map/Out of Fuel from ToD

 

some of these might be off by a second or two because it seems JW kinda dragged out some of the notes or shortened them in DoD, but for the most part it's the same.

 

I'll keep adding when I notice another one.

 

before you put any of these in spreadsheet, do double check them please.

 

Also 1:07-1:10 of Centipedes ------> 3:20-3:25 of Nocturnal Activities from Temple of Doom

[Bellosh 3,419]

10 hours ago, Will said:

 

Is this the most comprehensive list of citations to other scores anyone has made so far? @Jay

 

and i didn't even bother doing the prologue lol.  i might eventually now with the isolated score.

 

there's so much more!

[Edmilson 7,466]

Please do. I'd love to have a comprehensive list of all the quotes, preferably if they include also the quotes from non-Indy JW scores (which I think are just Minority Report, Tintin, War of the World and Attack of the Clones... right?).

[Bellosh 3,419]

3 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

Please do. I'd love to have a comprehensive list of all the quotes, preferably if they include also the quotes from non-Indy JW scores (which I think are just Minority Report, Tintin, War of the World and Attack of the Clones... right?).

 

bro i was hearing things when i did it before

 

i was hearing whirl thru academe and extended jungle chase in my sleep

 

but i need to.  you're right.

[Edmilson 7,466]

Honestly, Germany 1944 might not be my favorite track on the OST but I do admit JW did a fine job curating the 20 minute prologue into a (mostly) coherent track. 

 

I also think American Spy could've been in the album too as track #2 after the Overture. It feels weird not to have the actual first cue in the movie on the album.

[Alex 2,835]

I would have included the action music as the motorbikes are going down the hill. I liked that part.

[crocodile 8,017]

You know who could do a good WWII Indy adventure score? This guy.

 

 

You could easily use this material for the DOD prologue sequence. 😀

 

I've just finished the film with isolated score. It was a lot of fun, with and without quotes. The last third, from Archimedes' Tomb onwards, plays wonderfully as a silent film. 

 

Karol

[Martinland 360]

On 06/12/2023 at 1:41 PM, crocodile said:

This guy.

But...

[Laserschwert 475]

"I know, but he's all dead."

[Brónach 1,302]

On 01/12/2023 at 4:51 PM, Edmilson said:

Honestly, Germany 1944 might not be my favorite track on the OST but I do admit JW did a fine job curating the 20 minute prologue into a (mostly) coherent track.

 

that's easy when it's all kinda bullshit

[Faleel 5,356]

2 hours ago, Brónach said:

 

that's easy when it's all kinda bullshit

Not at all how it works.

[Arpy 4,145]

Just got around to listening to a bunch of the isolated score cues from the film and oh boy it's a mess. Pulse of the City sounds so jarringly out of place. 

[BrotherSound 2,242]

On 1/9/2023 at 12:59 AM, Jay said:

I found that there's 1:55:20 of score in the film, which runs 2:34:34.  So that's ~75% of the film scored with original music!

 

Of course, about 2:30 of that is Bill Ross's "Pulse of the City" cue.  And then, there is tracking in the film, too, so that number doesn't represent unique Williams score heard.

 

Curiously, the SABAM Repertoire site lists a duration of just 96:08 (1:36:08) for Williams' score. I wonder if that excludes the note-for-note reused material from previous scores. Would that add up to ~17 minutes?

 

[Jay 37,369]

Hmmm, off the cuff I'd say that I think the amount of reused Indy music is less than 17 minutes worth.

[BrotherSound 2,242]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

Hmmm, off the cuff I'd say that I think the amount of reused Indy music is less than 17 minutes worth.

 

The 96 minute total might also exclude the use of previously written themes; I've seen that with several other scores. Maybe the recycled material plus other uses of the Indy and Marion themes adds up to 17 minutes?

[Jay 37,369]

Still seems too high to me, but I haven't timed anything out or anything

[BrotherSound 2,242]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

Still seems too high to me, but I haven't timed anything out or anything

 

Looks like GEMA's AV Production guide at least partially explains it:

 

It has a second entry with a timing of 11:00 for the Dial of Destiny score, plus 5:04 for the Raiders March - JR Edit, and 2:36 for Pulse of the City:

 

[Faleel 5,356]

"Escaping the Pit"? Isn't that a Raiders cue? Was it tracked?

[Jay 37,369]

Yes, it's a Raiders cue.  I don't recall hearing any part of it in DOD.

 

 

[BrotherSound 2,242]

1 hour ago, Faleel said:

"Escaping the Pit"? Isn't that a Raiders cue? Was it tracked?

 

Curious, I don't remember any of this material in DoD, either. But the number does match the Raiders cue:

 

@Faleel @Jay

 

Even weirder: there's 2:36 of 'Confrontation' from Superman IV on that cue sheet!

 

 

[CGCJ 394]

18 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:

Even weirder: there's 2:36 of 'Confrontation' from Superman IV on that cue sheet!

It's likely just that it shares the title with a cue from the film which GEMA already has an entry for that title registered to John Williams and simply linking to that instead of creating a new entry.

[BrotherSound 2,242]

2 hours ago, CGCJ said:

It's likely just that it shares the title with a cue from the film which GEMA already has an entry for that title registered to John Williams and simply linking to that instead of creating a new entry.

 

Yeah, that would make sense. I've seen some other cases of that. There is an Indy 5 cue called 'Confrontation at the Tomb', so it could be a mix-up with that, as well.

 

Update: seems like there’s 2:36 of Confrontation at the Tomb in the film, so I’m pretty sure that’s what happened.

[CGCJ 394]

Mark Graham briefly showed off some sketches during an Instagram live! (Right near the end at 46:26)

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4tHYdwvAhR/

 

5m3 Water Ballet
[6?]m1 To [Illegible]
6m3 Centipedes
7m[10?] Part 1
9m[?] Part 1
Helena's Theme [Illegible] (Rev?)
Helena in Action
End Credit Part III

 

Sadly, it's all mostly out of focus.

[Jay 37,369]

 

Here's some screencaps

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BrotherSound 2,242]

5 hours ago, Jay said:

 

7M[something] Part 1: This is a variation of Helena's Theme with a distinctive rhythm in the accompaniment. I'll have to see if I can locate it.

 

5 hours ago, Jay said:

 

End Credits Part III: This is indeed the Nazi chorale which opens the 3rd part of the end credits (marked 'Solemn'), after the Raiders March and Helena's Theme. Note that if you look carefully, you can see where it was cut and paste, presumably from the concert arrangement JW wrote before agreeing to take on the entire score.

[Alex 2,835]

I have just released that 2.15-2.24 of Indy Driver is is basically 3.21-3.31 of Anderton’s Great Escape.

 

 

 

 

Johnny must have been studying his Minority Report score.

[Edmilson 7,466]

This only shows that when the time and/or supplies (physical and mental on this case) are short, John will often resort to repeating himself to save some time and work.

 

It happened in Chamber of Secrets and now (in a even bigger way, I'd say) in DoD.