Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 32 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Luke is insane! The performance of the score is phenomenal! i just mean the main title and possibly end title opening. The rest of the score is fine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Solid performances, better then the same material recorded for TPM, and reused in the other 2 prequels. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 it doesnt sound beter than TPMs. but Yes, preferable than having a reused recording But it sounds like Shadows of the empire, Star wars trilogy, prague, boston pops and many other performances not by the LSO. The brass is not the same. Xinau 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 It does sound better then TPM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Not even close Stefan, you're trying too hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 They all sound the same to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 11 minutes ago, steb74 said: Not even close Stefan, you're trying too hard. To do what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 3 minutes ago, Stefancos said: To do what? You know. 6 minutes ago, Demodex said: They all sound the same to me. You can compare the two intros back to back. TFA_vs_STAR_WARS.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 No I don't. Please enlighten me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Sorry if this has been already posted somewhere else, but I think it's pretty interesting stuff: _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 20 minutes ago, Stefancos said: No I don't. Please enlighten me. Oh come on man ...the 'enlighten me' challenge, really? I'll give that a miss thanks. Well if you prefer Ron Jeremy to Lex Steele, that's your prerogative. 10 hours ago, Taikomochi said: After seeing the film again today, I have decided that the tracking in of "Burning Homestead" was a very bad decision artistically. A lot of fans seem to like it, but to me, it almost seemed like self parody. It reminded me of when Tarantino used old Morricone scores in Kill Bill, in which part of the humor is how out of place the music is, played for irony. I don't think that is the experience the film makers wanted to create, but that bit of tracked music is sorely out of place with the rest of Williams' writing. Even the recording quality, under all the sound effects, sounds starkly different from the rest of the score. It hugely took me out of that moment of the film. I agree, that's exactly what it felt like! Totally inappropriate ...it felt like a quick poke in the eye and completely pulled me out of the moment. Maybe I overestimate how popular that version is among SW fans but in my opinion at that point in the movie her character felt undeserving of that particular variation. I'm sure we all have different interpretations of that cue but whatever JJ was going for by tracking it in didn't work at all for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 It's probably a case of temp track love. I guess they edited the scene with that piece since the beginning and really couldn't let it go, no matter how brilliant the new piece would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 7 minutes ago, TownerFan said: Sorry if this has been already posted somewhere else, but I think it's pretty interesting stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlWC2KWtjJc Yeah, it's great ...it's from here in case you're interested - http://vi-control.net/community/threads/nerd-alert-is-john-williams-spoiling-things-in-tfa-soundtrack.50679/ Ivan is a good friend and also a great composer in his own right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Thank you! I love this kind of musical dissertations steb74 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I didn't have a problem with the "Burning Homestead" cue at all. It was a great nostalgic moment for me. I was happy that the score finally gave us something familiar other than the Rebel fanfares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I paid specific attention to the music in that scene when I saw the movie for the second time (Saturday), and I was happy enough with that scoring/tracking. I also think it's pretty clear that Rey is Skywalker offspring of some sort (cousin or younger sister to Kylo). Han definitely knows more about Rey than we've seen, and Kylo Ren seems to as well. There was a time after Episode I and even Episode II when Internet People(TM) swore that Senator Palpatine would not become the Emperor, and that there must be some sort of twist. I think after this trilogy is completed, just like the grasping-at-straws Palpatine thing, we'll look back and see Rey's lineage as a natural plot development and not some sort of grand revelation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 11 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: To me, it doesn't necessarily means she's Vader's granddaughter, rather a hint that she could turn to the Dark Side in Episode VIII/IX. Sure. What I find interesting and once again revealing is how Williams really thinks as a true composer and how he is always able to translate narrative/dramatic concepts into pure musical ideas that make total sense and fit perfectly into the overall thematic vocabulary of the series. In this sense, this score is really a continuation of what he did in the previous six films. He picked up the pencil where he left it in 2005 and added another beautiful paragraph. It's this kind of musical thought he always uses that puts him way above any other contemporary film composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 There are other contemporary composers who do that just as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Yes, Howard Shore's middle earth scores do that in spades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Sure, there are others who are definitely good at that. However, Williams seems always to have that extra knack. But hey, it's just me of course. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 13 hours ago, Taikomochi said: I mean, I understand why, but it was a cheap move and betrayed the tone of the film. I think it will satisfy hyped fanboys on first viewing, but I think it will date badly, which is a concern, given the timeless quality of the original trilogy. At least when the prequels used tracked music, they pulled from their own trilogy, so it didn't sound completely out of place. Are we forgetting that the OT had tracking between films as well? I'll grant you that there wasn't a 40 year gap between when the music was recorded and when it ended up getting re-used, but it was still there and I don't feel it makes the films any less "timeless." 5 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said: Anybody also thinking that when JJ listened to the new recording of the main title he should have siad , sorry John, William ross has to go to london and record this with the LSO. The main score is OK, but the main title is so 'pedestrian'... The raiders march in KOTCS sounded really good with the same orchestra...i dont know what happened here. That's funny, I'm the opposite. Don't like the KOTCS Raiders March much. LOVE the new recording of the Star Wars Main Title! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I don't appreciate that tracking in the OT either. This isn't from the same trilogy, either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted November 24, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2017 Stumbled across this It really demonstrates the complexity of JW's writing crumbs, Xinau and Disco Stu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alex said: Stumbled across this It really demonstrates the complexity of JW's writing The Falcon is in TFA. Damn, I really need to avoid these spoiler threads. And, yes, the Williams piece is very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 17 minutes ago, Tom said: The Falcon is in TFA. Damn, I really need to avoid these spoiler threads. ....what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Maybe he hasn’t seen the film yet.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 A joke people. DolceMecha and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Alex said: Stumbled across this It really demonstrates the complexity of JW's writing We better be getting more of these for Last Jedi, @Loert! Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xinau 14 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 4 hours ago, Alex said: Stumbled across this It really demonstrates the complexity of JW's writing Good lord. I hope this was made from a score reduction, because if that guy or gal has ears good enough to transcribe that AND the chops to play it... I need to be buying their records. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 It needs more xylophone! https://drive.google.com/open?id=1pVTkN8Uea4VkCa2C1aCO_v4dsiqzcCA6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Interesting anecdote about the TFA sessions from the principal French Horn player on both TFA and TLJ (and presumably TROS, though no musicians are confirmed except Don at this point). So it seems The Jedi Steps did have minor revisions later in TFA's scoring sessions, but they might have been subtle orchestrational changes rather than outright revisions. It seems the French Horn solo was always there, however. Only skimmed through the interview but he discusses the process around getting hired for Star Wars (apparently they just get an email and a huge list of recording dates), also how early he gets sheet music for Williams scores (a few days in advance to practice). Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Something interesting I just noticed...it seems Bill Ross did some actual writing for TFA. Take a look at this glimpse of a cue from one of the behind-the-scenes videos. This seems to be the slightly different version of Kylo Ren's arrival on Takodana heard in the film. I hadn't looked too closely at this until now and I'm realizing the handwriting perfectly matches this bit of a COS sketch that was evidently in Bill's hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 On 11/24/2017 at 9:01 AM, Alex said: On 11/24/2017 at 11:36 AM, mrbellamy said: We better be getting more of these for Last Jedi Rise of Skywalker, @Loert! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 59 minutes ago, Datameister said: Something interesting I just noticed...it seems Bill Ross did some actual writing for TFA. Take a look at this glimpse of a cue from one of the behind-the-scenes videos. This seems to be the slightly different version of Kylo Ren's arrival on Takodana heard in the film. I hadn't looked too closely at this until now and I'm realizing the handwriting perfectly matches this bit of a COS sketch that was evidently in Bill's hand. Hmmm...assuming this is true, maybe he was brought on to potentially adapt some cues to the constantly in-flux cuts? Especially if Williams' surgery was around that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Well he is the only one credited as ‘orchestrator’ for TFA. Which is a bit of a strange thing since Williams doesn’t really use orchestrators anymore and instead gives his sketches directly to jkms. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Couldn't it just be JW's music with handwritten notes made by Bill after Williams has instructed him on how he wants the piece conducted? Like maybe JW wrote the insert in a rush and didn't have time to add those notes himself, so just told them to Bill on the stage? Just a thought. Or does the notation itself resemble Bill's work rather than JW's? I can't really tell the difference. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted November 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2019 The only conclusion we can draw is that William Ross wrote TFA 🤷🏻♂️ DrTenma, Datameister and A. A. Ron 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Modest Expectations said: Williams doesn't use orchestrators anymore? Since at least Lincoln, Williams has not worked with orchestrators, he sends his short scores directly to JoAnn Kane and they expand them out into the conductor's score/parts. See this interview from 2017 with Mark Graham from JKMS: Quote Can you describe your workflow on these films? John William writes very detailed handwritten sketches. On the prequels, these sketches went to orchestrators. The orchestrators would write pencil scores and we would copy parts into Finale. But for the past six or seven years, John has just sent the sketches directly to us. We put them straight into Finale. I’ve kind of edited them, checked them out myself, and then we’ve used them at the stage for recording. https://www.finalemusic.com/blog/may-the-fourth-spotlight-on-joann-kane-music/ From interviews with orchestrators he has worked with, their job was usually working as glorified copyists anyway. Will and Bayesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crumbs 14,316 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I would guess his written scores are very detailed in that regard, explaining what he wants to happen. Or yeah, he just has the time to do it all properly. He has waxed lyrical about his "luxurious" scoring schedule for the new Star Wars films. Considering he started the current score in March/April and he's still writing in November, that's a pretty generous length of time (even for 2.5-3 hours of music). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 As far as I understand it, deciphering the sketches properly just requires somebody who’s familiar with both the orchestra and Williams’s general preferences. Mark Graham and William Ross obviously know what’s up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 5 hours ago, crumbs said: Couldn't it just be JW's music with handwritten notes made by Bill after Williams has instructed him on how he wants the piece conducted? Like maybe JW wrote the insert in a rush and didn't have time to add those notes himself, so just told them to Bill on the stage? Just a thought. Or does the notation itself resemble Bill's work rather than JW's? I can't really tell the difference. It looks to me as though the entire thing is written in Bill's hand, not John's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Here’s some comments by Conrad Pope from a fb post from 2015: Quote No, not at all, David. John did everything himself with assistance from Bill Ross. As I've often said, a "copyist" could do this work and so they did. With FINALE available and a red pen-- a composer who knows what they want can do "it all" themselves--- if they know what to to do. This is how I've worked myself in FINALE for some 23 years. Others "input" and I "interpret" --- by hand, with a red pen. Bravo to all at JoAnn Kane Music Service--- it's still a big job! Quote John Williams! The copyists made the scores and, I understand Bill Ross contributed. John had time to finesse things is my understanding. Mind you there is an LOT of music that is not on the cd. The credits read orchestrations by John Williams and William Ross! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Datameister said: It looks to me as though the entire thing is written in Bill's hand, not John's. Ah interesting, well spotted. So this cue is the revised Kylo Ren Arrives at the Battle insert? Interesting that JW is actually shown conducting that revision in one of the featurettes Disney released. Maybe JW was too busy with other rewrites to do this short insert (which is really just a variation on his original version) so he delegated some of those things to Bill? It's a great revision, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 My guess is that Williams wrote some new bars alternated with references to his original version of the cue, and Ross just wrote a conductor’s score out of that. The end credits of ROTS look like that: almost 12 minutes but it’s all on one single page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted November 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Remco said: The end credits of ROTS look like that: almost 12 minutes but it’s all on one single page. Interesting, not a surprise either. He could've just written 4 short sentences on note paper and handed it to an orchestrator, considering it was comprised entirely of existing music. "Standard Luke fanfare, just slower. A bit of Leia's Theme. Track the whole battle cue, then the entire Throne Room suite. Now what's Steven's next film?" _deleted_, Remco and The Illustrious Jerry 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 On 11/17/2019 at 3:31 PM, Datameister said: It looks to me as though the entire thing is written in Bill's hand, not John's. Definitely Bill Ross' notation there - a snippet from The Mummy Returns for comparison... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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