Josh500 1,615 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: I don't see the elusive cue Schindler's Grocery List. What cue is that? When does it play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 I own that 1993 release’s 24-karat gold Ultimate Masterdisc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted November 23, 2018 Author Share Posted November 23, 2018 23 minutes ago, JohnnyD said: Definitely looking forward to getting this. However, I may need to have a tissue or two on hand. I'll also be seeing it in theaters One curiosity though: I heard that there was an alternate of the entire Schindler's Workforce, in addition to two alternates of the cue called The Money Exchange. Is that true, and is that included? Basically, is all of John Williams' score included? Schindler's Workforce is an album track containing two cues, 2M3/3M1 The Money Exchange and 3M1B Recruiting. The original album featured different version of the cues than the versions used in the film, while the new set features the versions used in the film to open disc two. I don't believe there is anything else for these cues worth releasing, anything else in the leak would just be alternate TAKES, not rewrites. That_Bloke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 1 hour ago, El Jefe said: That was composed and arranged by William Ross from Williams’ sketches. 1 hour ago, Incanus said: I thought it was Angela Morley, who also arranged the source music for this score. You guys misremembered, it was Brian Eno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 7 hours ago, Jay said: Yes, and that is included in this set. Very glad the final film version insert is included on this new release, which I recall was missing from the session leaks. From memory the sessions contained about 6-7 versions of that insert, none of which were the final version and all sounded quite different from the final film version (which would've been nice to hear on this release, but I understand why they're absent). I guess the sessions are more of a curiosity than anything now, hearing the evolution of John's thought-process as a conductor/composer. And obviously the source music, which he sadly seems adverse to releasing if he didn't compose (although he had no issues with all that source music on the Home Alone release). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, Stefancos said: You guys misremembered, it was Brian Eno. No wonder he dislikes Williams music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: (I do have a bit of a soft spot for the HA2 simply because the choir in the full mix is so shrill that I've always had conflicted feelings about it) I wouldn't have kept the choir version. The shorter orchestral backing track is so fully orchestrated that it's just enough of that tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 52 minutes ago, Josh500 said: What cue is that? When does it play? The suspenseful scene where Schindler's butler writes the grocery list before going to the grocery store. Unfortunately it was cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 So this isn't complete and chronological and it doesn't include any of the memorable source music. Pass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted November 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2018 They need to withhold something for the 50th anniversary edition. crumbs, Yavar Moradi and The Illustrious Jerry 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alan 689 Posted November 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: So this isn't complete and chronological and it doesn't include any of the memorable source music. Pass! It is complete. It just doesn't have track after track of different takes. Chronological...well, no but I'm certainly far less bothered by that as long as all the music is present. Bayesian, Yavar Moradi and bollemanneke 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 20 minutes ago, publicist said: I wouldn't have kept the choir version. The shorter orchestral backing track is so fully orchestrated that it's just enough of that tune. There's a clear drop of prominence in the melody line where the choir is (not) coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Imagine my surprise hearing this score's theme played over the speakers in Penn Station just last week 😟 bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: There's a clear drop of prominence in the melody line where the choir is (not) coming in. That's why i said just. It's certainly preferable to the chorus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 I thought JW was gonna follow a similar direction as the 2015 A.I. release and the Academy Promo CD. I know that making the SL recording sessions useless is a totally different thing as making the A.I. Academy Promo CD was, but it doesn't seem there's much added here. I assume that, excluding all the alternates and source music, all the music is there, right? And what's this "1993 release’s 24-karat gold Ultimate Masterdisc digital master"? Aside from the japanese K2HD "remaster" (link below), was there another master for the 1993 release? Does it sound different from the standard OST CD? Because the 1996 gold CD from E.T. that came with the Laserdisc is bit-by-bit identical to the standard version... The Jap version I mentioned: http://www.elusivedisc.com/John-Williams-Schindlers-List-Soundtrack-K2-HD-Import-CD/productinfo/UNIHDI9692N/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Wasn't that K2HD remaster just a con? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 It sure sounded like. Like the website name, it's indeed elusive. But I never heard of a "24k gold Ultimate Masterdisc" version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 phbart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 i have that gold disk too but it seems to have deteriorated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Stefancos said: I didn't get this, but I remember seeing it in the store back when it was released. I know this has one large, glaring misspelling on the cover... What was it again? They misspelled "Conducted"? Something like that! Edit: Ah, I got it! John Williams didn't compose this, he "composted" it! 😄 crumbs and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Josh500 said: I know this has one large, glaring misspelling on the cover... What was it again? They misspelled "Conducted"? Something like that! It doesn't The OST has Spielberg's name misspelled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Stefancos said: It doesn't The OST has Spielberg's name misspelled. I know more about this than you, and I don't even own it! This is from the pic that you just posted: The Illustrious Jerry and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,013 Posted November 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2018 Just now, Josh500 said: I know more about this than you, and I don't even own it! This is from the pic that you just posted: And what a compost it is! Karol MrJosh, Bilbo, crumbs and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted November 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2018 Williams can make music from trash phbart, Bilbo, crumbs and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 I remember noticing this mistake in the store back then. I considered this for a moment, then put the CD back on the shelf. I didn't buy it that day, and never have afterwards, either. I decided that the OST album was good enough for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: Cool. I think Apollo 13 OST also had that "Ultimate Masterdisc". Does it sound any different than the regular OST? Here's the gold 1996 E.T.. The sound is identical, and the standard CD way cooler. 1 hour ago, crocodile said: And what a compost it is! Karol I thought I read "Music Composed and Concocted by John Williams and Alan Silvestri". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 I'm really curious about the alternate Remembrances on disc 2. Does anyone have any idea how it's different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 There is a piano intro and prominent instrument in one and an wind instrument (oboe?) In the other. Or something like that pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Gold CDs won't sound better than the standard CD unless they utilize a superior alternate mix. The gold version has never generated any buzz on this forum aside from KM claiming his has ironically deteriorated with the passage of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 8 hours ago, Jay said: Schindler's Workforce is an album track containing two cues, 2M3/3M1 The Money Exchange and 3M1B Recruiting. The original album featured different version of the cues than the versions used in the film, while the new set features the versions used in the film to open disc two. I don't believe there is anything else for these cues worth releasing, anything else in the leak would just be alternate TAKES, not rewrites. Oh, okay. So, the Maestro’s entire score is included, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 21 minutes ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: Gold CDs won't sound better than the standard CD unless they utilize a superior alternate mix. The gold version has never generated any buzz on this forum aside from KM claiming his has ironically deteriorated with the passage of time. yes, My E..T. gold disk has a weird rainbow pattern on the upper surface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 That was a great CD. The regular one, I mean. I have fond memories of removing the disc from the case to reveal the rainbow trail in the sky from the end of the movie behind it. The packaging was super charming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted November 24, 2018 Author Share Posted November 24, 2018 On 11/23/2018 at 7:52 PM, JohnnyD said: Oh, okay. So, the Maestro’s entire score is included, right? Yes. The OST was already complete, in the sense that one version of every score cue he wrote for the film was already on it. This new set adds alternate versions of the same cues, not additional cues that go between what we already had or anything. Of course I'm just referring to score cues here, all the source music Williams conducted remains unreleased officially. Once and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 the reason I won't be getting this and Land of the Giants now is that i don't want to make a too big shipment at the same time. I've never had customs problems but HP is a pretty big set so I don't want to push my luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 On 11/23/2018 at 8:56 PM, Jay said: Yes. The OST was already complete, in the sense that one version of every score cue he wrote for the film was already on it. This new set adds alternate versions of the same cues, not additional cues that go between what we already had or anything. Of course I'm just referring to score cues here, all the source music Williams conducted remains unreleased officially. What is Reflections and The Perlman Family then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted November 24, 2018 Author Share Posted November 24, 2018 Alternate, unused versions of cues that were on the ost and in the film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Not convinced about this set .I very rarely listened to the OST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,013 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 What I'll do with it is create a more custom playlist and keep the OST as an alternate album experience. (When I say "create" I mean follow other people's playlist suggestions ) Karol Demondm810 and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 It's a dust collector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,013 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Just now, Horner's Dynamic Range said: It's a dust collector. Pulvis et umbra sumus. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Yes, I shall await @Jay‘s suggested playlist. Can’t wait to get this though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Gasp, you changed your Kylo avatar. Demondm810 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: Gasp, you changed your Kylo avatar. This release is too big to ignore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesluckard 80 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Does anyone know the backstory for the album versions of "OYF'N Pripetshok" and "Yeroushalaim Chel Zahav"? They're completely different from the film versions. I presume the film versions were temp tracks, since they're both off film soundtracks that came out in 1991, two years before the film was being edited. Was there ever an intention to replace them in the film with the album versions? It seems unlikely, because their tone is so different they would have altered those scenes, especially the ending, the version of Yeroishalaim from "Pour Sacha" is so upbeat, while the album version is so solemn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I guess Spielberg just preferred the temp track versions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Yeah I'm guessing Williams arranged and recorded his own versions of those tracks but Spielberg preferred the versions in the temp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Couldn't it also be that they were always going to use the film versions, but Williams wanted to record his own for the album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesluckard 80 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 20 minutes ago, Muldoon said: Couldn't it also be that they were always going to use the film versions, but Williams wanted to record his own for the album? Both explanations are entirely possible, the versions are just so utterly and completely different, I wonder what the story is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Could also be a licensing/rights thing. It might have been easier to just record his own version of those tracks during the sessions rather than license existing recordings for his soundtrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesluckard 80 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Just now, crumbs said: Could also be a licensing/rights thing. It might have been easier to just record his own version of those tracks during the sessions rather than license existing recordings for his soundtrack. The recordings used in the film are not even credited in the end credits roll though, it's very strange. It's like they were temp track versions left in at the last minute after the credits were done or something. I believe all the other existing recordings used in the film are credited at the end, there are 5 of them, although none of the dance songs/tangos that Williams recorded are credited, which is weird, since songs are usually credited for the composition, even if they're not the original recordings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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