Popular Post rough cut 1,714 Posted March 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 10, 2019 Been listening to this the entire weekend now. I genuinely want to give a heartfelt thanks to Mike Matessino and LaLaLand for having faith in the fans and pushing this soundtrack a third time. To all involved, if any of you are reading this... THANKS! Keep up the good work!!! crumbs, The Illustrious Jerry, kenkraly2004 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2019 You and I... we could belong to each other. bollemanneke, jwalk713 and Not Mr. Big 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwalk713 40 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 hour ago, dougie said: You and I... we could belong to each other. If you need a friend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 I'm the one to fly to... jwalk713 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 If you need to be loved... I could be your father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s former room mate! jwalk713 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 What would that make us? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Absolutely nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Go past this. Go past this part! In fact never play this again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,109 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Intrada will be having this in their stock today12th of March. I cant wait for mine to ship. Also SAE will have their stock as well this mid week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenkraly2004 27 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 It is amazing that Superman: The Movie has had 3 restorations on CD the Rhino Records 2 CD release in 2000 , The Superman The Music (1978-1988) 8 CD Box Set release in 2008 and La Land Records 3 CD Release this year in 2019 for it's 40th Anniversary in 2018. It took 3 try's to get it right and the hard work Mike Matessino has put into these releases have been amazing !!! The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,109 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Mine shipped at last from Intrada. Unlucky Bastard and kenkraly2004 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 15, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2019 My copy landed today. Statistically speaking, it's still the safest way to travel Jim Ware, Jurassic Shark, kenkraly2004 and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterXDTV 61 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 I've got mail today..... I'm listening to this with a stupid smile on my face.... Unbelievable audio quality, I know this score backwards and i'm hearing instruments I never heard before.... It's like Christmas three months later.... jwalk713 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Five Tones 302 Posted March 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2019 I received my copy last week and went through the set in sections - busy schedule, but this guarantees I actually pay attention to every second of the music. It's a different experience altogether hearing this restoration versus the recent ones for CE3K and Dracula, and not really fair for me to compare, if those two scores appear to sound just a little bit cleaner than Superman. It had been 20 and 30 years respectively with no updates for those scores. There must have been real challenges dealing with a 40 year old tape that I can imagine might have had a substantial amount of wear and damage given it was full of razor cuts and splicing tape... and basically neglected for 40 years. The 2008 Blue Box restoration, from 20ish year old tapes, sounded pretty good only ten years ago. But there is clearly so much more bite, dynamic range and overall variety of colour now: it IS the definitive version, and the way the score should be discovered by any newcomer. That storied brass section shines properly at last. I listened to the Fortress alternate before anything else. It was certainly exciting at the peak, if a little 70s weird or draft-y sounding later on. It feels like it's from an alternate score, maybe even an alternate John Williams! So, it's kind of fun to have. Musically, it wasn't the revelation for me of The Dome Opens alternate, certainly not Binary Sunset alternate, and the sound quality is a distraction those two cues aren't affected by. But it survived much better than Botanicus... The Dome alternate sounds better than ever. I like The Mugger alternate better than the revised cue. I never noticed the Mountain theme from CE3K in there before, oops JW. The overly-strong timpani in the Main Title alternate sounds clearer and it's nice to have. The first hour of the Superman score is essential. The second hour isn't quite on the same level for me (exceptions being the concert suites - wherever those fit in the ordering - and Flying to Lois, Turning Back the World and that amazing modulating brass explosion in Chasing Rockets). There is so much excitement front-loaded in the score. It's great to have the original soundtrack remastered, for its familiarity and more concise, composer-intended presentation. There is a bit of choice as well concerning audio quality. The remastered OST presentation appears to have a bit more compression and is just a little flatter EQ-wise. A more formal sound. But it's also not quite as exciting as the score presentation, imperfections and all. Amer, Smeltington, jwalk713 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 These scores have always reminded me of the films A Hard Day's Night and Help!, probably because of the Richard Lester connection. So the Superman score always seemed more British than American to me, like an old Roger Moore 007 flick. Return of the Jedi always reminds me of Help! to this day because my dad had them on the same tape. To me it's like those two movies are one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 21, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2019 More Superman-related stuff, hope you'll find this interesting: https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2019/03/21/london-symphony-orchestra-superman/ kenkraly2004, Amer and Ricard 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 314 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 That photo of Williams, Dick Donner, Chris Reeve, Eric Thomlinson, and Ilya Salkind: great find, @TownerFan. ...and without a Caped Wonder watermark on it.😍 EDIT: Thanks for sharing that photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Amer 2,109 Posted March 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2019 Finally!!! kenkraly2004, Naïve Old Fart, KittBash and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Someone's stealing your copy! Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 On 3/21/2019 at 7:50 AM, TownerFan said: More Superman-related stuff, hope you'll find this interesting: https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2019/03/21/london-symphony-orchestra-superman/ Is it true that Williams' symphony was performed in 1972 by the LSO? If so, one of us from London should go visit the archives since all program notes are there and we might learn more about the work from that source than anywhere else. https://lso.co.uk/orchestra/history/about-the-lso-archive.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 The LLL has one fault and that is that It doesn’t include Barry White’s The Love Unlimited Orchestra performing Theme From Superman. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 BTW, is the Superman jewelcase as cheap as the jewelcases of other recent LLL releases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Mine feels better, same for HP1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Looking at mine, the case arrived in good condition, but the clear plastic does seem to have some manufacturing defects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 The clear plastic on mine has some vertical lines on one side that only show under a certain light. The inner black part was thankfully intact, but also came with an insert so it could hold 4 discs! I promptly snapped that insert out, put it in my HP1 set, broke the remaining of the broken teeth off, and now Disc 2 is not rattling around anymore! A+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 hours ago, karelm said: Is it true that Williams' symphony was performed in 1972 by the LSO? Yes, it is. It was performed at the Royal Festival Hall with André Previn conducting. On Jeff Eldridge's website (johnwilliams.org) there used to be the short program introduction written by Williams himself (cannot find it anymore, tho), where he speaks a bit about some Webern-like passages in the first movement, while the second movement being inspired by the playing of jazz flutist Eric Dolphy. The symphony is in three movements and lasts around 25 minutes, btw, as we discussed in the other thread. karelm and ricsim88 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Does anyone happen to know which one of the alternates are really notably different from their regular versions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Actually I was pleased to find a breakdown of exactly that in the liner notes. Mike described which alternates were substantially different and which weren't. Based on what he wrote, here's the sequence I came up with for bonus tracks in my own edit: Prelude and Main Title (alternate) The Planet Krypton (alternate segment) The Dome Opens (alternate) The March of the Villains The Mugger (alternate) The Fortress of Solitude (alternate segment) By the way I also included the vocal version of "Can You Read My Mind" in the main program in place of the instrumental. But I took it from the FSM release, which had the vocals mixed in a way that I preferred. Pieter Boelen and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 March of the villains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 hours ago, rough cut said: March of the villains? Yeah, he relegated it to the bonus section instead of in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 But there’s nothing new/different about it. Other than the fact that it sounds better than ever before (since Rhino actually, due to the fact that the Rhino release and the Blue Box is from the exact same master). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Yes, for my edit I didn't want March of the Villains in the main program, so I moved it to the bonus tracks. And I buried it a bit because it's not exactly my favorite track Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 10 hours ago, rough cut said: But there’s nothing new/different about it. Other than the fact that it sounds better than ever before (since Rhino actually, due to the fact that the Rhino release and the Blue Box is from the exact same master). You misunderstand the purpose of the bonus section. It's not just for alternates, it usually kicks off with concert arrangements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Look at my title below my name: I'll not let this set get away that easily! Am I hearing a tempo messup at 1:33-34 of D1/1? Maybe a leftover of the analog edits being made on the first gen masters. I'm not sure how much was kept or forced to be kept from previous releases, and some are the actual cue titles, so I'll say somebody somewhen got kinda uninspired when naming the tracks: The Helicopter Sequence, The Burglar Sequence, The Flying Sequence, The Truck Convoy Sequence! Visit thesaurus.com already! Not sure yet if I'm a fan of having MotV in the middle of the main presentation, in a portion which is already heavy on the theme. Though it's not rocket science and Jay's spreadsheet helps a lot, I wouldn't have minded an OST assembly guide in the booklet on one or two additional pages, if they already included cue titles, slates and recording dates - props for that one, BTW, I always love when Intrada does it, it's fun to go through it once or twice when you know the score already. The release is low on OST info anyway, not even having the tracklist on the back! Could it have been a late idea, perhaps? Different waters: love how Titus parallels/contrasts the two car lifting scenes in the trays! Even the front cover poster which I didn't like is growing on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 41 minutes ago, Faleel J.M. said: You misunderstand the purpose of the bonus section. It's not just for alternates, it usually kicks off with concert arrangements. I didn’t misunderstand anything. The original question was about what was different. On 3/27/2019 at 3:35 PM, Pieter_Boelen said: Does anyone happen to know which one of the alternates are really notably different from their regular versions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Yeah, just a sequencing suggestion, there's no alternate of March of the Villains. The rest of the tracks on my list are the "substantial alternates" Pieter was asking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 All good here; I managed to read between the lines a bit. And of course March of the Villains cannot be dropped altogether, so it might as well be mentioned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rough cut 1,714 Posted March 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2019 It’s funny, there seems to be a general dislike for March of the Villains on the JW forum, but it’s one my favourite marches in Williams’ oeuvre. Dr. Rick, Ricard, igger6 and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Just now, rough cut said: It’s funny, there seems to be a general dislike for March of the Villains on the JW forum, but it’s one my favourite marches in Williams’ oeuvre. People are funny huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 It's just too wacky, like the baddies in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 It's an example of JW's comedic, "bumbling" mode that he's used here and there throughout his career, but I enjoy "Introducing the Thompsons" and "Viktor's Tale" much more. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Viktor's Tale is much better. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 42 minutes ago, Smeltington said: It's an example of JW's comedic, "bumbling" mode that he's used here and there throughout his career, but I enjoy "Introducing the Thompsons" and "Viktor's Tale" much more. But in this case it sounds less childishly wanna-be-funny and more sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I agree that it’s too whimsical for a villain like Lex Luthor (or at least how he is “supposed” to be). And yes, I too, love the russian flavor in Viktor’s Tale. That being said, it has a catchy melody, a fantastic build up and is an all-round, kick-ass march. The viola section that expands upon the melody in the middle blows my mind every time. There’s nothing whimsical about that! Just detach it from the movie in your mind, listen to the music, and maybe you’ll love it as I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 March of the Villains fits with Luthor's character, but when it enters the score it just sounds so out of place. I prefer Ottman's Luthor theme in Superman Returns, a bit more menacing and powerful... jwalk713 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 March of the Villains fits Otis' character more. When the tuba kicks in, it's real stereotypical fat man music. Amer and mstrox 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,348 Posted March 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2019 Jim Titus BTS post: https://www.behance.net/gallery/76988997/40-YEARS-The-Music-of-Superman-Part-I?fbclid=IwAR2_OAM4av5mW2E5nCKelryI9xJRSGC9JyTAWyL7mQMHoVWpgDTfaXgC5Rc KittBash, kenkraly2004, Amer and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 4:52 PM, Holko said: Am I hearing a tempo messup at 1:33-34 of D1/1? Maybe a leftover of the analog edits being made on the first gen masters. Paging this again since it was overlooked in the bonus track / MotV debate. Anyone else notice this? Did Mike miss this, or was it messed up with the reediting and there was really no other take that could be used to stich it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 16 hours ago, Holko said: Paging this again since it was overlooked in the bonus track / MotV debate. Anyone else notice this? Did Mike miss this, or was it messed up with the reediting and there was really no other take that could be used to stich it up? Hearing it too! Sounds the same on the Rhino release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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