Popular Post Quintus 5,399 Posted October 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2019 Martin Scorsese says Marvel movies are 'not cinema' Someone in the industry had to say it and I can't think of anyone better! Jurassic Shark, Chen G., Corellian2019 and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 HAHAHAHAHA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Quote “Maybe it’s easy to dismiss VFX or flying people or spaceships or billion dollar grosses,” Feige said. “I think it is easy to say that you have already been awarded in a certain way. [Alfred] Hitchcock never won best director, so it’s very nice, but it doesn’t mean everything. I would much rather be in a room full of engaged fans.” Uwe Boll never won Best director either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,465 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Super-hero movie haters and DC/Nolan/Snyder stans will love it and celebrate it like a goal on the final of the World Cup. MCU fans will bash it and proclaim that Scorsese haven't make a good movie in years. And the internet will remain as tedious and boring as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 I'm glad Martin Scorsese is here to have opinions for me. Otherwise, I wouldn't know how to feel! Kasey Kockroach and Edmilson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 I doubt Scorsese likes DC movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2019 The world is a beautiful place and I'm happy to be here. The Illustrious Jerry, mstrox and MikeH 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Yay, a famous director has an opinion for us to ignore! (and for critics to all gather around and agree with) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 56 minutes ago, publicist said: "I would much rather be in a room full of engaged fans." I believe that says all that needs to be said. There's room enough for Marty and the MCU in the world, and little need for these pissing contests. Frankly nothing I've seen from the latter has bored me to tears as much as the former's Wolf of Wall Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,508 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Scorsese tells it like it is! My man! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Quintus said: Someone in the industry had to say it and I can't think of anyone better! If he said it circa 2013, I would disagree. But as 2020 is approaching and Marvel is showing no signs of slowing down, I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 They're funny book movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 1977 and Disco Stu 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 My heart goes out to the film bros who now have to choose between hard edgy filmmaker Martin Scorsese and their beloved MCU films (besides Black Panther, which they think is "overrated") Corellian2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Why does this upset people? If he said the same thing about kaiju movies, no-one would care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 I don't think Scorcese has it in for genre filmmaking in general. Its specifically the MCU, with its plain, TV-film aesthetics; its light and sarcastically comedic tone; and its endless, greedy serialization that he (and I) could do without. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 4, 2019 Share Posted October 4, 2019 Only dark and disturbing films are true cinema. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 Thank you Martin Scorsese, very cool! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Chen G. said: I don't think Scorcese has it in for genre filmmaking in general. Its specifically the MCU, with its plain, TV-film aesthetics; its light and sarcastically comedic tone; and its endless, greedy serialization that he (and I) could do without. You hit the nail on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 Marty is right, i dont see the problem though. Not everything needs to be art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 It would be nice if it wasn't shit, though. Bilbo and Corellian2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 These Marvel films? They generally arent. They're alright. Just popular entertainment for the masses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 ...on the intellectual level of a 10-year old. But somehow i made my peace with it over the years: it saves a lot of money and with tv sets the size of living rooms, who really needs cinemas anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Stefancos said: Not everything needs to be art. All film is art. Not all film is good art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Chen G. said: All film is art. Not all film is good art. Paging @Koray Savas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 Did you guys see James Gunn's pathetic response on Twitter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 Enlighten us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 James Gunn compares Scorsese's opinion of Marvel movies to audiences picketing Last Temptation of Christ Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,508 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 That is indeed pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 Scorsese needs to stay in his lane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 I've seen some smarmy comments from Marvel fans shitting on Scorsese, usually giving a variation of the retort: 'Well, he's just pissed that the MCU has made more money than all of his films combined'. As if raking in the dollars was always indicative of quality cinema. How many turds has Hollywood shit out that have made dazzling profits that wouldn't even make anyone's top ten lists and would fade from memory the next day? I enjoy the MCU films, some I absolutely detest as garbage, some I'm indifferent about, but the one constant thing I abide by is that they are cinematic in one respect only: they're shown in cinemas. I can think of three MCU films which have a great sense of style and artistic direction and are more than 'comic book films'. In other words, they aren't bland, overproduced, and without creative merit. Perhaps the label 'comic book film' is a bit disingenuous, after all, could we come to a consensus on what exactly makes a film a 'comic book film'? Comic book characters in a motion picture? Films stylistically presented with the formatting of a comic book's graphic visuals? (Like Ang Lee's Hulk?) I think what Scorsese touches upon is sheer magnitude of the films in the superhero genre has somewhat diluted their effectiveness as individual, meaningful stories, kinda like they're a dime a dozen. It makes it harder to appreciate one when there's fifty more just like it. This isn't to say Scorsese's criticism of these films is wholly right, either. I think if you can derive meaning and enjoyment from any film that should be enough, although I would think very few are worthy of being put side by side with some of cinema's greatest films. Personally, I think these MCU films have to at least contain some of the criteria one might want to find in a Oscar contender: Production Value, Screenwriting, Music, Acting etc. you know, the elements we love and praise in those films that resonate with us beyond mere visual spectacle. But maybe that's part of these films' appeal and success is they are intrinsically visual, coming from one visual medium to another without much beneath the surface beyond what the viewer might choose to fill it with? I love comics and graphic novels for that reason, that these are strictly visual narratives that we can fill in with our imagination, where other genres and narratives will implore the viewer to think and follow an ideology or message (as with most of Scorsese's films). It's interesting Scorsese's comment coincided with the release of DC's Joker, because that's a film which is in that murky category of 'comic book/superhero film' but doesn't bear the mark of it in the slightest. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Robert shows how to be diplomatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 My opinion is he needs to dress his age. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Go to Rivers and buy some appropriate old man clothes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 The anger is strong in you guys. I'm glad that he didn't fall into Howard Stern's trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Oh yeah, remember that cinematic battle between the Avengers at an...airport? Or when Falcon was killing all those faceless things on...Naboo? Or when the Avengers all leapt forwards in a charge to raid a...secret Hydra base to steal a magic sceptre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 ...your point being? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Anyone else like Macca's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Is there a difference between superhero movies (which according to Scorsese are theme parks) and pre-superhero movies like Indiana Jones, Die Hard, Transformers or Star Wars? Chances are Scorsese was never entertained with the big summer movie rides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Quintus 5,399 Posted October 9, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2019 You can't possibly think the Marvel movies are even in the same league as something like Raiders, and the level of craftsmanship that went into making what is an actual classic - and no doubt well regarded by Marty. Bilbo, MikeH, The Illustrious Jerry and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I've seen Scorsese being full of praise for Spielberg's directing in Jurassic Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 9 hours ago, Alexcremers said: Robert shows how to be diplomatic. Ye gods Stern has become bloodless in the last few decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Marvel films are pre-engineered products meant to entertain. Scorsese is not wrong in his assessment, but there’s also nothing wrong with enjoying the MCU for what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 That's fair. I think Marty just feels like whole MCU domination thing at the moment (actually it's been happening for more than a decade) is bringing down what he sees as the art form of cinema. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 9 hours ago, Thekthithm said: Go to Rivers and buy some appropriate old man clothes. Men dress so immaturely these days. They don't even wear leather jackets anymore. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Quintus said: That's fair. I think Marty just feels like whole MCU domination thing at the moment (actually it's been happening for more than a decade) is bringing down what he sees as the art form of cinema. If it was one every year or two It’d be fine but it constantly seems as if there’s one in the cinema. And if there isn’t there’s a bloody shit rushed DC attempt instead Quintus, Holko, Not Mr. Big and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I'll take most of the MCU's output over Silence, which frankly sounds like a boring fucking slog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 9, 2019 Author Share Posted October 9, 2019 Everything in moderation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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