artguy360 1,844 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 I don't know if this has been mentioned but apparently JW did all the conducting for BFG himself so that really was just a temporary arrangement due to his health issue which seems no longer to be an issue. Bodes well for the future! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,355 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Not if William Ross has anything to say about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 The long-lined soothing tune is very 'War Horse'/'Lincoln'-ish and will probably the 'heart' of the score which is good. The latter clip has the dreaded Potter/'Arrival of Tink' whimsy i hoped he would have abandoned by now so it is exactly what i expected... ...but the light waltzy feel from 11:00 onwards to 12:00 is a continuation of the best part of 'Harry's Wondrous World' (the lightsome part in the middle) so i guess if it's derivative, it at least draws from the good stuff. Not Mr. Big and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,646 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 1 minute ago, publicist said: The long-lined soothing tune is very 'War Horse'/'Lincoln'-ish and will probably the 'heart' of the score which is good. The latter clip has the dreaded Potter/'Arrival of Tink' whimsy i hoped he would have abandoned by now so it is exactly what i expected... ...but the light waltzy feel from 11:00 onwards to 12:00 is a continuation of the best part of 'Harry's Wondrous World' (the lightsome part in the middle) so i guess if it's derivative, it at least draws from the good stuff. The long-lined theme is nice and reflects what is Williams' more "personal" sound nowadays. I just don't find Williams' comedy scoring to be that interesting. It's too on-the-nose and makes whatever scene it accompanies feel like a Looney Tunes skit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Worse, it's a dead horse flogged again and again since 'Home Alone' and one would think the JW of 'Sleepers', 'Rosewood' and The Lost World' (etc.) had retired it but it seems to bring some perverse joy to him to repeat it ad nauseam (like Horner's danger motif and like that it's also heavily borrowed from classical sources like Stravinsky's 'Firebird' and several Prokoviev symphonies). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,355 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Geez, the guy is 84. Think you can cut him some slack for not reinventing himself with every project. Jacck and Joni Wiljami 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Why should i? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Ever heard of the concept of mercy? Jacck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 With rich and celebrated people that give a shit about what i think? No... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,132 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Sounds magical and somewhat in Harry Potter universe but lets wait and see. So far the theme sounds warm, uplifting and magical to me. I'm excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 27 minutes ago, publicist said: With rich and celebrated people that give a shit about what i think? No... Ah, so you have a chip on your shoulder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,559 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Well, I didn't get any tickets (as you might have surmised if we're friends on facebook), so I won't be able to see the film before the press screening in late June. Oh well. At least I got to be there and watch Spielberg take the red carpet, just 10 meters away. I filmed the bit about him waving to the audience, which is also in the footage some of you have posted, so no point in sharing that. The music that plays is definitely Williams, and is probably from THE BFG (although I -- too -- thought it might be from LINCOLN, a score I haven't engrossed myself in properly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,355 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 To me it sounds straight out of Williams' 90s lexicon, with obvious connections to the flute work in Hook and the whimsy of Harry Potter. Sounds absolutely adorable and poles apart from the style of writing he did on TFA (demonstrating, as always, his versatility as an artist). You always know we've a great Williams score on our hands when the pompous critics are slagging it off for being noticeable. In their perfect little worlds, films would have no score at all! The critics who "get it" and labelled this one of Williams' most emotional scores in years, well... it would be hard to top War Horse in the emotional scoring stakes, but if The BFG has, well ... *drools* Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 So part of a theme plays and instantly it's derided. I'll wait for the score to be released and see the film to form an opinion, not just hear an excerpt from a clip that probably doesn't represent the score... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,646 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Nobody has a problem with the theme. It's the comedic material that follows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,355 Posted May 15, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2016 I don't have a problem with any of the material. It all sounds wonderful! Once, Jacck and Amer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 I don't care much either way, tbh. It's what i expected, it will probably have a great suite and (hopefully) some good, longish set pieces and just like that it will find a place in my iTunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 I kinda got a Jamea Horner vibe Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 It's quite clever: The broad, lyrical cantilena actually spells out "B(b)-F-G", in that it emphasizes the tonic, fifth and major 6th. Loving all that I've glimpsed so far. Will and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,441 Posted May 15, 2016 Author Share Posted May 15, 2016 27 minutes ago, Marcus said: The broad, lyrical cantilena actually spells out "B(b)-F-G" crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crumbs 14,355 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 2 hours ago, Marcus said: It's quite clever: The broad, lyrical cantilena actually spells out "B(b)-F-G", in that it emphasizes the tonic, fifth and major 6th. Loving all that I've glimpsed so far. Mind... blown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Amen. 2 hours ago, Marcus said: It's quite clever: The broad, lyrical cantilena actually spells out "B(b)-F-G", in that it emphasizes the tonic, fifth and major 6th. Well, I'm not very knowledgeable about technical musical stuff so I have no idea what that means, but it sounds cool! 9 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: So far,I love the Hook-ish statement of the main theme that starts at 11:05 but don't really care for the Mickey-Mousing that follows. I largely agree. The mickey-mousing is good, better than much of the non-Williams stuff these days, but it's nothing spectacular. But the long-lined statements that precede it...Very powerful and beautiful. Not Mr. Big and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,355 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 New trailer, looks quite lovely indeed. Fantastic visuals as you'd expect from Spielberg, and surprisingly un-Kaminski visuals. Certainly a refreshingly colourful palette by the look of things. No Williams score, though, but he does get first billing after Spielberg in the credits. Just noticed Big Ben in place of the Disney castle, with the time set at the "witching hour." Neat detail! Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 23 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: I think it sounds great, a bit like Harry Potter I was hoping exactly for this I think I like it more than TFA already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,682 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Very effective trailer. As for the "mickey-mousing" criticism, remember the target audience (hint: it is not us). Jacck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 I have a feeling THIS will be a score we'll really be hunting down any unreleased music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 No problem with the music at all. What I expected, yes, but it's delightful, especially the part which I can hear a bit more clearly at 15:29. Defined opinions should be side aside until we can hear the colors properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,331 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 2 hours ago, crumbs said: New trailer, looks quite lovely indeed. Fantastic visuals as you'd expect from Spielberg, and surprisingly un-Kaminski visuals. Certainly a refreshingly colourful palette by the look of things. No Williams score, though, but he does get first billing after Spielberg in the credits. Just noticed Big Ben in place of the Disney castle, with the time set at the "witching hour." Neat detail! Rylance looks really entertaining in this. 5 hours ago, alextrombone94 said: I kinda got a Jamea Horner vibe Yeah, the darker whimsy stuff at 12:20 especially reminds me a lot of Horner. Though to be honest it's just their brands of Russian pastiche blurring together 19 minutes ago, nightscape94 said: No problem with the music at all. What I expected, yes, but it's delightful, especially the part which I can hear a bit more clearly at 15:29. Defined opinions should be side aside until we can hear the colors properly. Yeah, I agree with that, I'm excited to hear it properly. Hearing it blasted over loudspeakers gives it a kind of canned "theme park" vibe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 The beginning of the one theme @ 11:15 reminded me of the scherzo from Schumann's 3rd symphony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,646 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Now that the "cat is out of the bag", I hope we get higher quality previews of the score soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,716 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Sounds nice enough, but the bit before the 'mickey-mousing' is a bit unmemorable to me - not really hearing a solid theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,331 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 I think it's a decent little tune. Classic in the making, maybe not, but I guess that will depend on how it's treated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loert 2,516 Posted May 15, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2016 I tried to notate and play the piano melody from 10:41. It's very rough (and I will probably regret doing this when the actual OST comes out...there are likely to be inaccuracies!) but I think I got at least the basic melody line down: Your browser does not support the audio element. No need to mention that this is 100% Williams. The planing chords are very reminiscent to those of A.I for instance, and the beginning of the melody is reminiscent of Lincoln's "With Malice Towards None". (apologies for the slow playing but I had to be careful not to wake the neighbours!) EDIT: Damn, I missed out a bar at 0:44! Will fix it tomorrow. EDIT2: Updated the audio (old version here) artguy360, publicist, Will and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,358 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Fantastic! Thanks a lot for your efforts, Loert. Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 798 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 AWESOME loert..!!! Thanks..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,441 Posted May 15, 2016 Author Share Posted May 15, 2016 Your recording immediately makes me think of Lincoln The kind of melancholy / grand finale tone that he's had since War Horse persists! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 2 hours ago, loert said: I tried to notate and play the piano melody from 10:41. Thanks! I keep watching the red carpet videos because the music is so good, but it's kind of brutal to listen to people repeatedly yell "Steven!" while you're trying to focus on the score. 8 hours ago, crumbs said: Certainly a refreshingly colourful palette by the look of things. Yes! It looks absolutely gorgeous, rarely do films attempt to put such a bright explosion of varied color onto screen. Quote Just noticed Big Ben in place of the Disney castle, with the time set at the "witching hour." Neat detail! Cool, I hadn't spotted that! Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Some more reviews that i found Within 10 minutes he has plucked precocious bespectacled child, Sophie (Ruby Barnhill) from her orphanage and is leaping over oceans, mountains and through clouds to a soaring John Williams score. http://lwlies.com/festivals/the-bfg-first-look-review/ Inexplicably, even soundtrack legend John Williams falters here - the score is really very bland. http://film.thedigitalfix.com/content/id/79090/the-bfg-cannes-film-festival-2016.html The occasionally pretty images captured by DOP Janusz Kaminski and omnipresent orchestral work of John Williams keep demanding that we feel for Sophie and her gargantuan friend, but Spielberg’s erratic tonality, overly-familiar technique and heavy-handed graphics renders what should have been a soaring adaptation of Dahl just plain dull. http://screen-space.squarespace.com/reviews/2016/5/15/the-bfg.html Spielberg’s film begins inauspiciously. Huge dollops of CGI, not to mention John Williams’s heavy-handed music, obscure the charms of Dahl’s simple story. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/14/steven-spielberg-s-otherworldly-the-bfg-the-legend-returns-to-cannes-to-take-on-roald-dahl.html I seems modern film reviewers are incapable of appreciating or understanding symphonic orchestral film scoring. Gruesome Son of a Bitch and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,646 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 36 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: It seems modern film reviewers are incapable of appreciating or understanding symphonic orchestral film scoring. That really seems to be the case. It's getting to to the point where only the lamest and least effective scores can go without receiving the "heavy-handed" label at least once from critics. That is unless it relies on an obvious gimmick (The Artist, Atonement) or it's written by a pop star-turned-film composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Since any dismissive or critical mention - valid as it may be in some cases - will shot down here mercilessly it's futile to argue that some of these reviewers seem have to have a pretty clear idea what they are offered and also seem pretty able to appreciate it, they only question the dramatic arc of the movie and how the score is called upon to patch up the lack of it (paraphrasing). Interestingly, the opinions on it are pretty divided with some perceiving what others single out as flaws as huge benefits - i have no big interest in the movie but i sincerely hope that due to the slim core story Spielberg was brave enough to get a bit impressionistic with the 'fantasy' sequences and letting his visuals linger beyond the mechanical requirements of the storytelling. This is the kind of indulgence that brings out the best in composers and Williams especially. crumbs and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Which videos are people watching to hear the score snippets? The latest trailer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,646 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 The premiere videos (youtube and twitter) a few pages ago have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Ah right, cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,132 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 The usual stance for Journalists/critics is to basically critic the current movie making story telling formats and all the tools that support it. In as much they meander over the gullible techniques and film making forays' thinking of them as contrived and superfluous. The true merits are thus ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 'True merits' of course translates into 'stuff I like'. If only 10% of JWFan were able to do writeup's on films and scores like some of those allegedly heinous and incompetent hacks in film journalism this would be a much more interesting place to actually have discussions about film and music. KK and Dixon Hill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Fuckin' a. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 This is the same as me complaining that the place is stale and boring, but still posting anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 16, 2016 Share Posted May 16, 2016 Just like life, actually.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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