Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 5 hours ago, crumbs said: The ending is deeply disturbing to me, though I accept that endings like this will yield different reactions depending on the viewer. David was designed to unconditionally love a mother. He was created to fulfill Monica's needs as a mother while her biological son could not. At the end, once all that remains are the descendants of humanity's artificial creations, a fake Monica is created to fulfill David's need to be someone's child. An idealised version of the real Monica is created to unconditionally love David. We see David make her coffee, watch them play hide and seek, see David tuck Monica into bed. All these events are repeated from Act I except the roles are reversed. Now it is David whose needs are being fulfilled, the artificial being now playing the role of a human once all humanity is gone. This is Spielberg & Kubrick's bleakest, most challenging ending because it shows how self-delusion can result in wish fulfillment. The cloned Monica is nothing like the one from David's past but he cares not. He believes the fantasy; he's reunited with his "mother", he believes his wish has come true. Yet the fairy-tale ending is as artificial as David himself. Like any film it's a Rorschach test for the viewer and we take away what is most applicable to us. Everything you say is true, but I don't see any of it as the main point of the film or what Spielberg/Kubrick wanted to ultimately convey. That's the difference between it being a rather hollow commentary on something purely speculative, and a deeply moving statement on real things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, Knox Harrington said: Like any film it's a Rorschach test for the viewer and we take away what is most applicable to us. Everything you say is true, but I don't see any of it as the main point of the film or what Spielberg/Kubrick wanted to ultimately convey. That's the difference between it being a rather hollow commentary on something purely speculative, and a deeply moving statement on real things. I take it your vision is more in line with John Williams' reading? I have only purchased three albums from specialty labels, and this score is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Well I can't say I know what anyone involved truly intended, but I do see Williams' music as reaching beyond the bleak surface to the real heart of matters, rather than it being a synthetic facade. The music and film both have such masterful handling of light and shade that I can't look at either as plainly happy or disturbing. It seems to be about happy things in a disturbing context, but given the family men behind the film I err on the side of the emotional thrust being more important than the seeming scifi twistedness of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Knox Harrington said: Well I can't say I know what anyone involved truly intended, but I do see Williams' music as reaching beyond the bleak surface to the real heart of matters, rather than it being a synthetic facade. The most explicit statement on the ending from the behind the scenes that I know of. A good watch if you're unfamiliar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Interesting. John and I more or less agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Officially gone... Quote Quote Is it gone forever or "TEMPORARILY OUT OF STOCK" though knowing LALALand started this thread. Its SOLD OUT. Our webmaster entered the wrong info in the box. It will be changed shortly MV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 And now... it's gone to that place... where dreams are born (my bedroom cupboard). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,364 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 It took just 3 days to clear out the last 100 sets of this release. These calls to action are no joke, at least when it comes to our little niche market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 No doubt some were purchased strictly for reselling once the price has gone up on the secondary market. Ollie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 On 3/13/2019 at 7:44 AM, Jay said: Yea when I saw it as a 20 year old kid in theaters in the summer of 2000 I don't think I really understood everything going on That's understandable. The movie wasn't even finished in the summer of 2000 bruce marshall and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2019 On 3/13/2019 at 9:44 AM, Jay said: Yea when I saw it as a 20 year old kid in theaters in the summer of 2000 I don't think I really understood everything going on Jurassic Shark, TheUlyssesian and MikeH 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,396 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 It is still available on MusicBox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share Posted March 15, 2019 Typo fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 On 3/15/2019 at 7:25 AM, Chewy said: It is still available on MusicBox Whew. This was on top of my to-get-list. Glad I was able to order one from them this morning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Is "Abandoned in the Woods (album version)" and "Abandoned in the Woods (film version)" partly the same recording or is the former a concert arrangement of the latter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 On 3/13/2019 at 3:44 PM, Jay said: Yea when I saw it as a 20 year old kid in theaters in the summer of 2001 I don't think I really understood everything going on In the summer of 2001, I believe you were closer to 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Brundlefly said: Is "Abandoned in the Woods (album version)" and "Abandoned in the Woods (film version)" partly the same recording or is the former a concert arrangement of the latter? The album version is an arrangement, though technically not for concerts; as it was pointed out earlier, the album version was originally meant to accompany the second half of the end credits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 On 3/16/2019 at 7:33 PM, Corellian2019 said: The album version is an arrangement, though technically not for concerts; as it was pointed out earlier, the album version was originally meant to accompany the second half of the end credits Sounds right to me. Disc 1-16 Abandoned in the Woods (Extended Version) is the cue as it appears in the film, with unused music at the end that accompanied a deleted scene Disc 3-5 Abandoned in the Woods (Alternate) is a revised or early version of the film cue, which accompanied a different edit of the abandonment scene (note that this version contains no music for the deleted scene at the end, so it's likely this was a revision). The film didn't use this alternate, instead opting for a trimmed down version of D1-T16. Disc 3-13 Abandoned in the Woods is the concert version of the cue, originally intended for the latter half of the credits, and is completely separate to either the film cue or alternate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, crumbs said: Disc 3-13 Abandoned in the Woods is the concert version of the cue, originally intended for the latter half of the credits, and is completely separate to either the film cue or alternate. I wonder why it wasn't included in the main program, where it was supposed to be in the movie (right after "Where Dreams Are Born"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: I wonder why it wasn't included in the main program, where it was supposed to be in the movie (right after "Where Dreams Are Born"). Listening experience I guess. Ending disc 2 with A.I. Theme (vocal version) creates a nice symmetry with disc 1 closing with A.I. theme (instrumental version). Considering almost the entirety of disc 2 is long stretches of atonality followed by multiple tracks of lyrical warmth, it would've been quite jarring to return to the dark and unsettling undertones of AITW (it perplexed me as a choice for the end credits as well, and was wisely replaced IMO). Also, having a third disc definitely informed Mike's assembly choices on the set. If Williams' camp had mandated two discs only for the score then it probably would've ended up in its intended place at the end of disc 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,246 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 So, just got my order which was supposed to include A.I., and it’s not in there! Has this happened to anyone else here before? Do they set aside any extra or am I just going to get a refund? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 They probably have extra set aside for just this thing. E-mail them asap! Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,364 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 hours ago, BrotherSound said: So, just got my order which was supposed to include A.I., and it’s not in there! Has this happened to anyone else here before? Do they set aside any extra or am I just going to get a refund? Make sure to use the contact link at the bottom of the LLL main page — NOT the contact link in the order status page. They won’t see it if you use the latter link. I learned this the hard way with my HP Black Friday order. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Yes, email them straight away and they should be able to fix you up. Must have just gotten missed in the shipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,246 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Ok, fortunately they still have one available and are sending it out. Whew! Thank you @Iron_Giant @mstrox @crumbs mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Amer 2,117 Posted August 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2019 Finally, I opened my sealed copy of this magnificent 3CD set. I know Iam late, had the set since ages but never found the right kind of moment to enjoy the score untill I forced myself at 11pm last night. Wow what a journey. Gorgeous and breadthtaking. The sound is so improved here. The notes mention that it was also recorded at UCLA's Royce Hall. I suppose the Barbara Bonney vocals were recorded there as well as 'David's Arrival' cue. The sound is so vibrant in these recordings that it reminded me of the Williams Spielberg III recording (Alas that album never recorded the AI Themes) The plethora of unreleased material is riveting. Fabulous assembly by Matessino. Too bad this set is now sadly OOP. Hope everyone got their copy. BTW, my cover of the booklet seems a bit having a few printing smudges on it. Do you think LLL might have a few extra booklets? I remember reading once they replaced a few to those who had the same problem. _deleted_, Chewy, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_deleted_ 203 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 On 3/15/2019 at 11:34 AM, ATXHusker said: No doubt some were purchased strictly for reselling once the price has gone up on the secondary market. 79 USD on Amazon. Still hasn't arrived. I can't wait for the set. To my ears, the score to AI is a separate entity. It's like the Teddy in the film. It patches it self up when it's "hurt" and it's always there for the visuals. It tells the audience worldly things but also gives them the support they need. A JW score that gives humanity a glimpse of its soul. 2000/10 Amer and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 So I missed out on buying this. It's still up on LLL, but 'Out of Print' instead of the usual 'Temporarily Out of Stock' How does LLL's site work when they still show the album on their site. @Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,373 Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 Screen Archives is selling an un-sealed, UPC-punched copy for 60 bucks https://www1.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/33333/ Lowest price on Amazon US is $150 https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B010IQZMG2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Is it UPC-punched because LLL couldn't move all copies before the licence expired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 No, the UPCs get punched for copies sent to reviewers or anyone else getting a free copy. Someone who had one likely sold it to Screen Archives for like $20 and they are turning around and selling it for $60 The UPC punched copies are extras, not part of the 3,500 they licensed for commercial sale Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Oh, gotcha. I have a slightly damaged copy that I'm planning to sell - I wonder how much I'll get for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,531 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Oh, gotcha. I have a slightly damaged copy that I'm planning to sell - I wonder how much I'll get for it. How damaged? For how much? I might take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Some scratches on the CDs from manufacturing. I'll have to check if they play without skips, then I'll list the box on eBay together with a bunch of other stuff when I get the time. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,531 Posted October 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 So, now that I have the set, I noticed something. The discs have their colour key art, but also some additional background art of David, Monica, Joe and the frozen Blue Fairy statue. These are monochrome: the highlights are printed with white, the shadows are left to be the disc's reflective surface, so if you look at it head on, it shows up normal, but if you turn it so that light reflects off it, the surface becomes brighter than the paint and the picture is inverted. Except for disc 3, the Blue Fairy, where the shadows are printed with white and the highlights are the ones left reflective, so that whole effect is the other way around If I wanted to put my poser not-actually-art student hat on, I'd say the first 2 being this way show that both Monica and Joe look like good people/caretakers on the surface, but under it they both have flaws - Monica pushes David away, life with Joe would be underground, aimlessly fleeing from the police and anti-mecha riots forever. David himself belongs here too, looking like a real boy on the surface but still being a mecha underneath, as the film likes showing (except for that great one, also represented in the back tray, when David looks through the eyes of the empty shell and we see that while he may be mass-manufactured and not special, what's inside truly has grown special and different by now). The Blue Fairy, however, is an obvious fake, a false idol, a statue of a fairytale character - but it's the idea behind it that David values immensely and that drives the whole second chapter. Or, you know, somebody somewhere exported a file wrong. That could be possible too. Or the percentage of the surface that has to be printed worked out better this way. crumbs, Chewy and Jay 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ragoz350 453 Posted December 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2020 For fun, I made mini-mockup of original ending of 2M1 Reading The Words. This ending was never recorded and was replaced with new ending with Monica's theme (on LLL this is the end of track "Reading the Words"). In the original ending, the "Lost Child" theme is presented again, and I just very liked this unreleased piece. ragoz350 · 2M1 Reading The Words - Original Ending crumbs, Holko, crlbrg and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theMaestraX 106 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 WoW! This music is a revelation - Awesome, voonderbarr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 How'd you acquire the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theMaestraX 106 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Sourced it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Even 5 years on, this remains one of my top 3 Matessino expansions of all time. An absolute treasure of a release, for one of the greatest modern film scores. theMaestraX and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Is it just me or are some of the alternates weirdly mastered and edited? Is it a pre-edited source that has been used for this release, just as Harry Potter 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Interesting observation. Which tracks are the most different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 4, 2021 Author Share Posted January 4, 2021 On 1/4/2021 at 1:29 PM, Brundlefly said: Is it just me or are some of the alternates weirdly mastered and edited? Is it a pre-edited source that has been used for this release, just as Harry Potter 3? I didn't notice any mastering anomalies, but generally don't look for stuff like that personally. MM was given Shawn Murphy's digital files from 2001 of every take of every cue, and rebuilt all performance edits and built all 3 program from that (minus the two versions of For Always which came from the album master). So everything should sound exactly the same regardless of which program its in. For JW scores, I think only HP2, HP3 and WOTW were ones where he got already performance-edited digital files that were of high enough quality to use (IE, he got those for HP1 but rebuilt everything from a new transfer of the analog tape because the digital was only 44.1khz) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 What about CE3K? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 4, 2021 Author Share Posted January 4, 2021 Definitely analog EDIT: Oh, I see what you mean I think Star Wars, CE3K, Superman, and maybe one other (?) were the scores that Tomlinson cut the performance edits directly into the 1st gen tape masters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Weren't the master tapes already edited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Jay said: I didn't notice any mastering anomalies, but generally don't look for stuff like that personally. I think, in most of the cases it was me spending extra attention to the noticable level of hiss for the very first time which, however, is also audible on the other tracks from the main program. Sorry for the confusion. I've just two questions left: 1) Is The Reunion alternate just an edited-down version of the original recording? 2) Is the Abandoned in the Woods alternate really the first version that got recorded? I'm asking because it sounds exactly like the version in the main program, just with a different intro and insert being clumsily edited into it. That is the track that really made me wonder what the sources of this release were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 4, 2021 Author Share Posted January 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Weren't the master tapes already edited? Aye, see my edited post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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