Alan 689 Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 Sounds very promising! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holly Martins 3 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 The music fits well, for what we've heard in these clips. I liked that he didn't lean on Williams' music for the entire JURASSIC WORLD score. I think that will give us an indication of his scoring technique for STAR WARS. I'm expecting respectful nods to Williams, but an all-Giacchino sound. It only makes sense, as well, considering these are branched off from episodes one through seven (and, eventually, eight and nine). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,289 Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 4 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: Much, much better than the last one, as far as far as 20 second clips go. I particularly like the french horn statement at the end. Think that might be Jyn's Theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Donald Trump will ban this movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 12 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Think that might be Jyn's Theme? 20 hours ago, Will said: Sounds great! I wonder if that's Jyn's theme we hear at the end... If it is, it sounds very much like Giacchino's Star Trek theme, etc. Not new ground. mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 34 minutes ago, Blumenkohl said: Donald Trump will ban this movie. Is Alec Baldwin in it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 We're so close to release!! EDIT: Also, Giacchino at Lucasfilm holiday party last night. toothless and leeallen01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 am I completely crazy, or is there Giacchino's Rogue One music playing in the Rogue One Battlefront VR mission? some of it is easily identifiable as John Williams and Gordy Haab's contribution to Battlefront but there's pieces I've never heard before that sound absolutely gorgeous and fit in the Star Wars vocabulary. particularly 9:45 when the Star Destroyer arrives it sounds like a piece in the vein of the Imperial March, something I think Giacchino hinted at? now that I listen to it again it really doesn't sound anything like Giacchino but I won't be totally convinced until someone links a part of Battlefront's score that corresponds with some of the segments. UPDATE: okay it seems the alternative Imperial march is an unused piece from the Battlefront game: EDIT: gonna keep making edits as I find specific points but 5:05 onwards sounds new, similar instrumentation to Leia's theme. EDIT2: nice little sorrowful piece at 16:20 that sounds very Prequels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Gordy Haab was brought in each time DLC was released. So this is all new music by Gordy Haab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 27 minutes ago, Manikin Skywalker said: Gordy Haab was brought in each time DLC was released. So this is all new music by Gordy Haab. yeah I suppose you're right. it's a little depressing because it sounds so nice but I guess it doesn't cover any new-ground and is more of an imitation of William's iconic pieces. at the very least I wish Giacchino would bring that sound to this score if not just for being Star Warsian, but being very pleasant to listen to. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aviazn 273 Posted December 5, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2016 On 12/3/2016 at 8:06 PM, artguy360 said: But Gia's music almost always sounds strained when he tries to go epic. On 12/4/2016 at 3:20 AM, Miz said: Another criticism of Giacchino is that his themes almost always take the form of repeating, deviating phrases, rather than long-line melodies. This was pointed out by someone else here a while ago. Yup. The thing is, Giacchino used to write long-line melodies out of those repeating, deviating phrases. I think Medal of Honor Frontline and Allied Assault were peak Giacchino long-line. The themes were strong and had an internal dialog, constructed of bits that he intelligently repurposed and referenced. Take the Allied Assault main theme, which I think might be my favorite theme he's ever written: It opens with that horn line, with those three opening ascending notes to the octave, followed by five lilting notes (and then those three opening notes repeated, this time in the low strings)—and then those five lilting notes repeated, like an internal rhyme, and four more notes that end on a sus6, grinding mournfully against the droning tonic. And then when the theme is passed off to the trumpets (0:33), the cellos take those opening three notes underneath, then extend it into a descending bass line, while up top, the horns take the lilting five-note figure and spin it into a countermelody, and the main melody also changes, soaring up on the last four notes this time, finally completing the full statement. Gorgeous stuff. It's repeated in a rendition for strings at 1:03, which leaves the countermelody exposed and shows how strong it is. And then at 1:33, he takes a variation of the opening notes (repeated twice) and leads into a new B theme—that is actually built around the lilting five notes!—which builds on repeat until it resolves into a statement of the original MOH main theme. This isn't inventing the wheel here; it's all very harmonically simple, and the orchestration is pedestrian. But the ideas have a certain structural soundness to them. The melodies seem, to me, inevitable. And there's a level of sophistication to his layering of the material that kinda went out the window after, oh say, around Lost, and was definitely gone by the time he got to Star Trek, and his four-chord method. Or take Manor House Rally from Frontline. It starts with a little figure that climbs up and down across just a few notes, repeats itself—then suddenly spirals upward, then down, and up again. It's fun and hummable, in an Indy's First Adventure kind of way. Or Stürmgeist's Armored Train, which is built around a very repetitive figure, but whose deviations at least go somewhere, building it into a statement with four lines over 16 bars. Personally, I blame Lost for calcifying his "epic" and "melodic" modes into those damn four chords. It's as if the need to create themes on such a short timescale drove him to simpler melodies and harmonies that he could pound out on his keyboard. Almost all of the themes here have a repetitive A part, but go somewhere new in the B section. Every big theme he's written after Lost seems like it's missing that B part. Quote I still enjoy much of Giacchino's output though - however I think this score may be quite slapdash - and suffer from his major creative shortcomings - for being written so quickly, and right off the back of the unexceptional Doctor Strange. I still think his best score of recent times was Jupiter Ascending. Agreed. I love his work for Lost—for what it is, that is, which is a weekly television score necessarily written at a frenetic pace. It's a bit slapdash—actually, a lot slapdash—but he brought a certain voice and sound that is unmistakable and crucial to the show's identity. And hey, he had to write 30 minutes of music a week. For Rogue One, he had to work at the same pace: two hours of music in four weeks, and for an ensemble three times as large. So I am expecting a score about on the quality of an episode of Lost. That may sound like faint praise, but although I may not like the end result, I commend him for actually finishing the job. Cerebral Cortex, DarthDementous and igger6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 nice @aviazn, I actually enjoyed those pieces and I feel that kind of sound structure around action music is what's missing these days. hell, even Williams has been guilty of that. I far prefer the action music of the OT to TFA because it had consistency and a through-line for a listener to latch onto, quite like these pieces by Giacchino. for real though, what actually are the chances of Rogue One's score being good? the only difference I can tell from this and his other projects is that he's a big fan of Star Wars and said he'd try and adhere to the musical language, but the tight deadline and my lack of significant appreciation for any of his pieces lately (except the Star Trek theme) means my hopes aren't very high. any Giacchino fans, please feel free to prove me wrong by linking good recent pieces that are structurally sound and feature good thematic development, I must admit I haven't heard much from beyond the movies I've seen (Star Trek 1 and 2, Dr. Strange). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 6 hours ago, DarthDementous said: any Giacchino fans, please feel free to prove me wrong by linking good recent pieces that are structurally sound and feature good thematic development, I must admit I haven't heard much from beyond the movies I've seen (Star Trek 1 and 2, Dr. Strange). DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miz 139 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Nice analysis Aviazn. Medal of Honor Allied Assault was my first Giacchino score (I found the mp3s in the game files, what joy!) and it's strange to reflect that his success has come alongside his writing becoming more simple. I agree the Lost was a turning point (aha! injoke!) but it suited the show so well; I can hear the sound infusing much else since however, even when it may not be the best character (this four-chords-for-sentiment people have mentioned). Anyway, I suppose Rogue One may have more of the same - it would've been great for him to have had the time, space and format of his work on Jupiter Ascending! Alas. I could be right in saying that Speed Racer features some of his more complex writing (again, for him). I am happy to be proved wrong though as I learn more musical theory from people here. The complete score to Speed Racer shows it off better, but this edit of Casa Cristo will have to do: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,372 Posted December 5, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2016 There's simply now way they'd include Giacchino's Rogue One score in this DLC. That Gordy Haab is a talented guy, they should release some CDs of his Battlefront music Manakin Skywalker, justaguy, DarthDementous and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 10 minutes ago, Jay said: There's simply now way they'd include Giacchino's Rogue One score in this DLC. That Gordy Haab is a talented guy, they should release some CDs of his Battlefront music Even a limited release with Intrada would do well. I'd definitely buy one if they released it. Looking forward to finally playing the game over Xmas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I'm not good at the shooty-shoot games! Still waiting for a good Star Wars game that's more my speed to come out post-LucasArts closing. A single player adventure would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Like this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I would kill for a flight sim. Aside from Battlefront my favourite ever Star Wars game was Bounty Hunter. I loved it but man it was difficult! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, Jay said: Like this one? I owned all 3 and I've gotta say, I never liked the Super Star Wars trilogy. I loved Shadows of the Empire on N64 despite its (many) flaws, but IMO the first great Star Wars game on a home console was the first Rogue Squadron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 All the best Star Wars games were PC games Shame the original LucasFilm Games / LucasArts team was never able to make an adventure game set in the SW universe igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Psh, Rogue Leader and Pod Racer beg to differ. Oh man, you were one of the PC snobs back in the 90s weren't you Jay? Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 You people are old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Absolutely not, I played the shit out of NES, SNES, N64, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I was mostly just jealous of PC snobs back then, we had a computer that could barely handle Doom and Myst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aj_vader 534 Posted December 5, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2016 44 minutes ago, Jay said: There's simply now way they'd include Giacchino's Rogue One score in this DLC. That Gordy Haab is a talented guy, they should release some CDs of his Battlefront music Gordy told me that he is pushing for a release. I imagine it will happen. DarthDementous, justaguy and BuzzLightyear 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzLightyear 143 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Do you think Gordy Haab will ever write scores for big hollywood movies? aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Hard to say. Many other extremely popular video game composers haven't yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 hour ago, BuzzLightyear said: Do you think Gordy Haab will ever write scores for big hollywood movies? If he was offered I'm sure he would. I think he should be working on the Star Wars movies, if not composer then at least Orchestrator or Consultant. He knows the Star Wars material so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 9 hours ago, Disco Stu said: cool. when was this released? I do love when it goes full dramatic Hollywood and you get those gorgeous strings that I associate the more dramatic moments of Star Wars with. even the second track has a bit of a Star Wars feel at the beginning, an eclectic sound similar to something like Ewok Parade. this score is also mixed really well but his movie ones aren't?! I don't understand but I fear Rogue One may get the par-the-course sound treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, DarthDementous said: cool. when was this released? Last year. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 16 minutes ago, DarthDementous said: this score is also mixed really well but his movie ones aren't?! I don't understand but I fear Rogue One may get the par-the-course sound treatment. Tomorrowland is a movie. All of Giacchino's recent scores have sounded much better than they did in the early 2010's, so Rogue One should sound good. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 hour ago, RPurton said: Tomorrowland is a movie. All of Giacchino's recent scores have sounded much better than they did in the early 2010's, so Rogue One should sound good. ah. excuse my ignorance then. okay, it's pretty much confirmed by this point that I was wrong about the Rogue One VR mission. the sorrowful piece at the end is actually this from the DLC: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 964 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Looks like a basic bad guy underscore with somehow a hint to the imperial march or am I hallucinating ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 It's probably because this is middle of a scene where, If we use Giacchino's last scores as a guide, it's book-ended by a major theme statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 hour ago, antovolk said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Just look at the difference in acting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 7 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Just look at the difference in acting! Rogue One is gonna suck. A one year memory. Anakin Skywalker will be remembered and talked about for millennia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Hayden was robbed of his two Oscars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post antovolk 95 Posted December 6, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2016 Chewy, curlytoot, Arpy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Vibes are underused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlytoot 97 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 2 hours ago, antovolk said: The string motif at 0:15 is pretty Williams-esque, IMO. This score is sounding better and better with each new clip! Will and aviazn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 9 hours ago, antovolk said: Guy in the white gonna be awesome in this. Unless the script is shit. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 More music?! Can't wait to listen later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 First one is nothing special, but I do like that string bit at the end of the second! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,518 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I got the 'go' for press screening today (December 13th). Yay! But it's the same ordeal as last year, with signed embargos, frisking before entering the theatre etc. Insane. I'm dreading the Giacchino aspect, but looking forward to pretty much everything else, despite the controversies surrounding the re-cuts. Will and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 31 minutes ago, Thor said: I got the 'go' for press screening today (December 13th). Yay! But it's the same ordeal as last year, with signed embargos, frisking before entering the theatre etc. Insane. I'm dreading the Giacchino aspect, but looking forward to pretty much everything else, despite the controversies surrounding the re-cuts. Make sure to tell us what you learn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 He literally cannot tell us anything if he has to sign an embargo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 In this case, the embargo will only last a day, given it'll be released on the 14th in a few countries (including Norway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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