Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 You mean that isn't Williams? But when Ray turns on the sword, that's the exact same technique he used in Replicas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I'm half half split on this. It could be Williams or not. Point is, we don't know for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 How sure are we that we don't know for sure? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I wasn't completely sure last time around, but on this one it blatantly isn't him. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeDocMatt 57 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 7 hours ago, igger6 said: I liked the previous trailer's music better. It was "nerdier," if that makes sense, incorporating not just the main line of Rey's theme but some of the minor motifs as well. Actually, in one statement of Kylo Ren's theme (over some ship destruction in the second half, I believe) I even thought I heard an incorrect note. As Will stated, though, it's miles ahead of other franchises' trailer music. And it is a strong testament to the continued influence of Williams' music (even his newest music) that we have character-appropriate leitmotivic music being custom-written for a commercial. 7 hours ago, Will said: Yeah, I actually was not even sure if that was intended to be a variation of his theme. It's definitely a little different. But I liked it, in any case. From what I can hear, Kylo Ren's theme in TFA starts on the dominant, the 5th note of the scale. In C minor, this would be G - F# - C - Eb - G, with a held low C underneath it as the chord root. However, in this trailer, the theme starts on the tonic, the 1st note of the scale, and keeps the same intervals, or exact note structure, but keeps the same low C as the chord root. C - B - F - Ab - C. This is why it sounds like there are "wrong notes" in it. Interestingly enough, it also forces the harmony to change (on the Ab), whereas TFA version can stay on a static chord. This simple transposition sounds so much more majestic, and has a bit more shape and direction to it, in my opinion. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 188 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 The bass line of the string ostinato near the beginning seems to be a play on the beginning of the imperial march, with a slight variation in pitch and rhythm. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 964 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 The music in the trailer is not by Williams. But we never know… It could be some of his ideas taken out of the score then re worked by the trailer house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,349 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 There's some interesting twists on the Jedi Steps theme here. Can't help but wonder if this was inspired by something Williams wrote for the score proper? It's not totally out of the realms of probability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 42 minutes ago, toothless said: The music in the trailer is not by Williams. But we never know… It could be some of his ideas taken out of the score then re worked by the trailer house. I doubt Williams would let some computer monkey composer debut his music, in typical trailer fashion, before he himself could introduce the piece properly. Will and fatehbaz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Quintus 5,399 Posted October 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2017 True, but Williams doesn't even know what a computer is. Simon McBride, Biodome, Gruesome Son of a Bitch and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 As much as I want to believe that we have heard some JW, I feel fairly certain that he had absolutely no involvement in this music. Over and over again, we've underestimated the talent of the trailer composers, believing that they couldn't possibly have created the cool variation of ______. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,349 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I really hope the action variation of Rey's Theme in the first trailer was influenced by a cue in TLJ's score. That melody works fantastically in action mode, similiar to the Force Theme at the end of Empire when Leia tells Chewie to turn the Falcon around. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I haven't read any of the earlier posts on this thread, but who else heard a rendition of the Imperial March towards the beginning of the trailer, during the first few scenes on the island with Luke and Rey? I may be mistaken, and the theme is barely recognizable, but that's what it sounded like to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 964 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, JohnSolo said: I haven't read any of the earlier posts on this thread, but who else heard a rendition of the Imperial March towards the beginning of the trailer, during the first few scenes on the island with Luke and Rey? I may be mistaken, and the theme is barely recognizable, but that's what it sounded like to me. It's definitely there, some kind of variation. It's more "recognizable" if you speed the video though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,349 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 It's seemingly a mix of Jedi Steps and the Imperial March, which makes sense. They're musically related anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,973 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Its not the two melodies are thematically connected, per se. It's that - in the single time that the melody appears - Williams weaved hints of the Imperial March in and out of it. I don't believe it's foresight on Williams behalf: just an dramatic avenue that the music explores. "The Jedi Steps" is essentially Luke's theme. It just was inverted. If it recurs in The Last Jedi and attached to something other than Luke, we may begin to think of it as a theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Here's our first article by an utterly clueless reporter: http://screenrant.com/star-wars-last-jedi-trailer-john-williams-new-score/ Quote While we’ll have to wait another couple months to hear the soundtrack in its entirety, the most recent The Last Jedi trailer almost certainly featured multiple cues from John Williams’ latest score, although maybe not any one specific track. While the much-anticipated trailer plays host to a slew of sounds (often perfectly synced up with the images), there are several cues that bear Williams’ signature brand. The article doesn't even mention Rey's theme or Jedi Steps! TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 964 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Ah the famous "Williams' signature brand" with its drums and braaaaaaaaam. Yeah. Sure. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 "Sounds like there's an orchestra, it must be John Williams!!" toothless and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 The music as we hear it has clearly been "beefed up" for the trailer. There could be some actual Williams underneath the added percussion, brass and choir though. The score has been recorded for some time now. I see no reason why the trailer's composer or arranger won't have referred to Williams' work for the film. At least we're hearing the themes that will be used rather than some generic takes on classic themes like the Rogue One trailers. And I still remember people swearing that there was no way Jedi Steps was Williams when it first appeared in a TFA TV spot Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I think people were referring to the arrangement rather than the thematic material. This trailer music too is Williams thematic material wise but is not Williams arrangement wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 15 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: That piano melody in the beginning sounds like the music box melody from Harry Gets His Hand You probably mean Peter Gets His Hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Can we please give the drums a rest? — Joe Kraemer (@joekraemer) October 10, 2017 SW Trailer — Joe Kraemer (@joekraemer) October 10, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 MikeH and Joni Wiljami 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Glad I'm not the only one who thought the themes sounded weird... I thought maybe it was just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Huh - I just looked up every trailer music company I could think of and none of them were talking credit for this. Maybe they had in done in-house?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Twelve Titans Music is the new John Williams. Bilbo and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,421 Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Will said: Huh - I just looked up every trailer music company I could think of and none of them were talking credit for this. Maybe they had in done in-house?? You have way too much time on your hands Will. Aren't there girls out there you can be flirting with instead of doing that? Will and MikeH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Eh, it only took me about two minutes. 5 minutes ago, Skelly said: Ah, okay, thanks for that. I'd never heard of that company before. EDIT: Just looked in the comments of that past, and look what I found... Our favorite guy appears to have worked on it as well (Felix Erksine): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,421 Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 I wonder how LFL finds these various trailer companies to do these, and how they even pick one to go with each time. Or do they send the trailer to like 5 at once and then go with their favorite after they submit stuff? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yeah I get the sense that they have multiple do them and then reject all but one (or cut multiple together). I've seen posts in the past with supposed "rejected cues." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,382 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Wha are these "rejected cues" usually like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Fal said: Wha are these "rejected cues" usually like? Here's a rejected RO trailer 2 cue: In the comments Douglas notes that he "made the top three or so." So I guess they really do commission a lot of cues! rpvee and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Skelly 261 Posted October 10, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2017 36 minutes ago, Jay said: I wonder how LFL finds these various trailer companies to do these, and how they even pick one to go with each time. Or do they send the trailer to like 5 at once and then go with their favorite after they submit stuff? The music companies get themselves out there by producing DVDs of their tracks (usually in album format - they'll have their team write twelve tracks, maybe in a particular emotional tone, and give that collection an album title) and sending them to studios. From what I understand, Disney can't "send the trailer", at least the way you probably mean it, to several companies to start out with because it doesn't exist yet; they're still trying to figure out what they want it to be. Footage might not even be available yet - they might only have storyboard and script to use. But yeah, usually there will be several trailer houses which are trying to all try to get the job and pitch musical ideas based off of whatever directions Disney might give them. There's a difference between a trailer house and a music production company like Twelve Titans though; I don't think Twelve Titans would be involved at all in that early process, it's not until when Disney locks down what they like (and ask Felix Erskine to come aboard since they liked his TFA trailer music) that their music is licensed out, and custom tweaks and whatever can be done. If you're really unlucky you can be all set to have your music in a trailer, but then it goes to focus testing or something, and they decide that audiences will hate the music and they go in a different direction. Will, crumbs, Jay and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Yeah just as an example that rejected RO trailer composer above said that he was instructed to write an epic version of the Imperial March. But then maybe when they heard that they decided it was too bombastic and not "emotional" enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I don't understand any of the posts in this thread suggesting it could be Williams. Now that we have confirmation, it's a moot point but even before confirmation it is so clear to anyone who is a fan of JW that he did not write this trailer music. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R. 10 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 6 hours ago, artguy360 said: I don't understand any of the posts in this thread suggesting it could be Williams. Now that we have confirmation, it's a moot point but even before confirmation it is so clear to anyone who is a fan of JW that he did not write this trailer music. I agree. I wonder how you can listen to Williams music and be a fan of it, yet be so clueless about his style to the point that you believe that a generic trailer track like this could be Williams. On the other hand, those people could find endless hours of listening joy by Youtube'ing random "epic" and "epic trailer" music. So I suggest they do that and add to their listening collection...:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,973 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Was there such music at all? The scoring process had wrapped up quite some time ago. Even if it were to launch during the sessions, something is telling me that scoring this kind of trailer isn't really Williams' style. I mean, how do you apply thematic material intelligently to a trailer such as this? The actual trailer music, while it utilizes his themes, applies them like mood music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 It has to sound like John Williams but not too much like John Williams. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,715 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 It kind of surprises me that with all the milking Disney is doing with SW, and that a new trailer is a big deal, they don't take the opportunity to put the trailer music on Itunes. Just advertise it on YouTube/official website and watch the $$s come in. In terms of the trailer itself, it looks and sounds pretty average to me. TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 2 hours ago, SafeUnderHill said: Has the unused second TFA trailer music written by Williams been released anywhere? No, unfortunately. Well, we suspect that part of it might be heard here in this TV spot, but that's just a guess: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted October 11, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2017 On 10.10.2017 at 7:43 AM, hornist said: Oh my, I hate these generic trailers!! crumbs, Smeltington, rpvee and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,382 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 So the International Trailer uses pretty much the same music as the domestic, however is it my Imagination or is there more choir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Know 326 Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 IMAscore of Germany also created trailer music for LAST JEDI: http://www.imascore.com/custom-music-imascore-star-wars-last-jedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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