Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 Yep. I'm not interested in FYC. I want it all!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 30, 2017 Share Posted December 30, 2017 You can't really reproach anyone the edits on the album, because there are 78:40 on the CD. There was simply no space any more. They should have replaced "Who Are You?" with another action cue from the finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Why haven't they just invented a double sided CD yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 The Mummy got a friggen 2 c.d. deluixe version right away, for crying out loud. Can;t they get with the times with Star Wars music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 2 hours ago, king mark said: The Mummy got a friggen 2 c.d. deluixe version right away What are you talking about? Oh, the Brian Tyler version? That doesn't count as real "music." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 For no reason whatsoever, I just can't see Disney sitting on complete scores for twenty odd years with the sequel trilogy. Williams and his scores probably cost a fortune. Why not monetise the hell out of them? There's clearly a market and Williams himself seems more open minded these days with expansions, under the correct supervision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 3 hours ago, Woj said: Why haven't they just invented a double sided CD yet? Incorrect, they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 12 hours ago, crumbs said: For no reason whatsoever, I just can't see Disney sitting on complete scores for twenty odd years with the sequel trilogy. Williams and his scores probably cost a fortune. Why not monetise the hell out of them? There's clearly a market and Williams himself seems more open minded these days with expansions, under the correct supervision. The prequels are almost 20 uears old now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 The soundtrack market is laughingly miniscule for a big company as Disney. Releasing complete soundtracks isn't a priority in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 9 hours ago, Stefancos said: The soundtrack market is laughingly miniscule for a big company as Disney. Releasing complete soundtracks isn't a priority in any way. I don't think they have enough Frozen albums yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,642 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 I like the evil fanfare when Poe lands his X-Wing in the Resistance ship hangar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted January 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2018 just saw the movie for the 2nd time. I realized that the flatiron scene is introduced by the death star motif from ANH! Falstaft, Docteur Qui, Damien F and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted January 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2018 34 minutes ago, lemoncurd said: just saw the movie for the 2nd time. I realized that the flatiron scene is introduced by the death star motif from ANH! Amazing catch, lemoncurd. It absolutely is the Death Star motif -- listen to this: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1dJQ5VhvY_WLjvkka6v0SSZyPPK_gcWKg Quite an easter egg! I'll update my little catalogue accordingly. Cerebral Cortex, Taikomochi and John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 I've seen the movie three times and I can't believe I've missed that. Great catch. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 That has to be intentional, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 There's an interview I found on Wiki with Rian Johnson talking about that scene, and said that John "really enjoyed himself" writing the music for that particular shot. So yes, it was intentional. Henry Sítrónu and Cerebral Cortex 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 That sounds lewd, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 10 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: There's an interview I found on Wiki with Rian Johnson talking about that scene, and said that John "really enjoyed himself" writing the music for that particular shot. So yes, it was intentional. link please :))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Although the joke is fun and Williams clearly had fun with it, but does anyone kind of hate it that the scene was like a spoof film like a joke Airplane would do? And scoring it with a theme that doesn't make sense for the scene as well, it all just shows how ridiculous this new trilogy has become. (I enjoyed the joke btw, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a bad idea.) Arpy and 1977 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panama Jack 9 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 What scene are you guys talking about? Not Mr. Big and Henry Sítrónu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted January 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, leeallen01 said: Although the joke is fun and Williams clearly had fun with it, but does anyone kind of hate it that the scene was like a spoof film like a joke Airplane would do? And scoring it with a theme that doesn't make sense for the scene as well, it all just shows how ridiculous this new trilogy has become. (I enjoyed the joke btw, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a bad idea.) I think it's a good example for this film not taking itself too seriously, which is great. crumbs, Sharkissimo, Docteur Qui and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 7 hours ago, lemoncurd said: link please :))) Here's the interview... the score is mentioned toward the bottom of the page: http://uproxx.com/movies/star-wars-the-last-jedi-hardware-wars-rian-johnson/2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 16 hours ago, lemoncurd said: I think it's a good example for this film not taking itself too seriously, which is great. True. But there's a difference between light-hearted fun and just a parody of itself. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 18 hours ago, leeallen01 said: Although the joke is fun and Williams clearly had fun with it, but does anyone kind of hate it that the scene was like a spoof film like a joke Airplane would do? And scoring it with a theme that doesn't make sense for the scene as well, it all just shows how ridiculous this new trilogy has become. (I enjoyed the joke btw, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a bad idea.) I can't say I like it, but I did have a little grin when first saw it for just how novel it was. Not sure if I'll enjoy it a second time round... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 19 hours ago, leeallen01 said: Although the joke is fun and Williams clearly had fun with it, but does anyone kind of hate it that the scene was like a spoof film like a joke Airplane would do? And scoring it with a theme that doesn't make sense for the scene as well, it all just shows how ridiculous this new trilogy has become. (I enjoyed the joke btw, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a bad idea.) I think this special joke was not inappropriate, since it contributes to the story as a great introduction to the next scene (Finn and Rose having stolen the clothes). The "reach out"-scene is another example. The joke contains something important for the story by emphasizing Rey's naivety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 I didn't even understand the joke - my eyes must have darted to the popcorn at the wrong second, because I just saw an establishing shot of an iron in a laundry room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Humor is so incredibly subjective, that I don't look so much into whether a joke landed or not. Personally, I laughed my ass off of the reaching out and Yoda's "page-turners" remarks. What matters about humor in a film like this is how well its integrated into the narrative. Done right, it can be used to leverage suspense and darkness. For that to work, it needs to be spontaneous and understated. Something like Poe's hang-up routine may be funny to some, but I think anyone can see that it doesn't really fit into the opening "James Bond" action scene of this film. Other jokes I would just cut for the sake of the runtime. I mean, Chewbacca's run-in with the Porgs feels like an in-universe commercial break. There is a cutaway to the Caretakers (I believe in the cours of Rey's training, a rock is dislodged at their cart) that I rolled my eyes at, which is to say nothing of how detailed this film is with Luke's daily routine: WHY did I need to see him mil that, that...that thing? WHY? 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 The humour in TLJ is hit and miss for me, though mostly miss. I laughed at Poe's interaction with Hux at the beginning, but thought Luke tossing the light sabre over his shoulder fell awkwardly flat. The Yoda "page turner" line was funny, but not really something I think Yoda would say (which I guess is what's supposed to make it funny). The Chewie/Porg stuff did sort of take me out of the movie, but it was cute and harmless enough, but the Luke's daily routine stuff just didn't work at all for me. And while not a joke, I thought the "You look ridiculous in that mask" line was squarely taking the piss out of over grown Star Wars fans, particularly cosplayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 22 hours ago, leeallen01 said: Although the joke is fun and Williams clearly had fun with it, but does anyone kind of hate it that the scene was like a spoof film like a joke Airplane would do? And scoring it with a theme that doesn't make sense for the scene as well, it all just shows how ridiculous this new trilogy has become. (I enjoyed the joke btw, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a bad idea.) 1 I've always associated the 4 note motif with the Empire itself rather than the Death Star since I believe it was used for Star Destroyers as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 It is played as a Star Destroyer is heading back to the Death Star. Again, more than being applied to the Star Destroyer, its more a way for Williams to introduce this motif as early as he possibly can. Williams was very specific about what this motif means. Its undoubtedly a motif for the Death Star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Williams has always applied his leitmotifs quite liberally, favoring musical suitability over strict thematic accuracy. He great advantage over Shore, imo. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 I wouldn't take this as a very "romantic" application of the leitmotif: it doesn't take much thinking to realize why its there. Its not like leitmotives need to represent what's readily apparent on the screen. I personally prefer the Howard Shore school of thought. Williams does this often enough that it somehwat "cheapens" some of the themes, to me. After eight scores, themes such as the Rebel Fanfare and The Force theme have been, very unfortunately, reduced to generally "triumphant music" and "melancholic music" accordingly, which is a shame. Not to mention the way Shore creates sets and subsets of related themes, the way he uses the opening of the film as an overture or entr'acte, the way he uses the third score as a summation of the existing thematic material, etc. On the level of the leitmotivic construction, its in a whole other level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Chen G. said: Humor is so incredibly subjective, that I don't look so much into whether a joke landed or not. Personally, I laughed my ass off of the reaching out and Yoda's "page-turners" remarks. What matters about humor in a film like this is how well its integrated into the narrative. Done right, it can be used to leverage suspense and darkness. For that to work, it needs to be spontaneous and understated. Something like Poe's hang-up routine may be funny to some, but I think anyone can see that it doesn't really fit into the opening "James Bond" action scene of this film. Other jokes I would just cut for the sake of the runtime. I mean, Chewbacca's run-in with the Porgs feels like an in-universe commercial break. There is a cutaway to the Caretakers (I believe in the cours of Rey's training, a rock is dislodged at their cart) that I rolled my eyes at, which is to say nothing of how detailed this film is with Luke's daily routine: WHY did I need to see him mil that, that...that thing? WHY? 1 hour ago, Nick1066 said: The humour in TLJ is hit and miss for me, though mostly miss. I laughed at Poe's interaction with Hux at the beginning, but thought Luke tossing the light sabre over his shoulder fell awkwardly flat. The Yoda "page turner" line was funny, but not really something I think Yoda would say (which I guess is what's supposed to make it funny). The Chewie/Porg stuff did sort of take me out of the movie, but it was cute and harmless enough, but the Luke's daily routine stuff just didn't work at all for me. And while not a joke, I thought the "You look ridiculous in that mask" line was squarely taking the piss out of over grown Star Wars fans, particularly cosplayers. The most misplaced joke might be the rock on the cart, because it does interrupt this impressive moment. It's funny, but it does not belong there. The flatiron, the milking and the porks are very classic Star Wars humor in my opinion, because it had that unique grotesquely charming. Neither of those jokes interrupted the flow of the narrative, because they served either as transgressions or explanations, and that's the deciding aspect in that matter. The scene where Luke throws the lightsaber away was not intended to be funny at all. It's shocking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: The most misplaced joke might be the rock on the cart, because it does interrupt this impressive moment. It's funny, but it does not belong there. The scene where Luke throws the lightsaber away was not intended to be funny at all. It's shocking! Yes, exactly. Just felt like a cutaway gag. It was begging for a laugh-track. 6 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: The flatiron, the milking and the porks are very classic Star Wars humor in my opinion, because it had that unique grotesquely charming. Neither of those jokes interrupted the flow of the narrative, because they served either as transgressions or explanations, and that's the deciding aspect in that matter. I don't have a problem with those jokes, per se, I just would have cut them for time. There is enough humor to be wrung from Luke and Rey (like I said, that reaching-out killed me) that you don't need all that stuff, and it just adds to this film's already egregious pacing and runtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 21 hours ago, lemoncurd said: I think it's a good example for this film not taking itself too seriously, which is great. In my experience, a film being praised for not taking itself too seriously is rarely a good thing. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: In my experience, a film being praised for not taking itself too seriously is rarely a good thing. I have not followed the reception of this film very closely but I'm aware that there are apparently many disappointed fans, especially people who experienced the original trilogy in cinemas. Which seems odd to me. Disappointment means you had expectations and in this case I just can't imagine how anyone could live up to that. We're talking about movies that have been made 42, 39 and 36 years ago, becoming one of the biggest pop culture phenomenon and releasing a never before seen hype and merchandise. I think it's impossible to create a new movie that is original and in the same "spirit" as the old ones at the same time. You can go retro like TFA and please the fans but then it's not really original, right? TLJ also drew heavily from original storylines but in my opinion the best thing that couldve happen is indeed a film that doesnt take itself too seriously. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: In my experience, a film being praised for not taking itself too seriously is rarely a good thing. You mean films that destroy seriousness with inappropriate gags. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Offline 29 Posted January 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: In my experience, a film being praised for not taking itself too seriously is rarely a good thing. I'd much rather watch a film that doesn't take itself too seriously as opposed to a film that takes itself far too seriously (I'm looking at you Batman V Superman) Holko, Henry Sítrónu, Fancyarcher and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Great movie! John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 50 minutes ago, lemoncurd said: TLJ also drew heavily from original storylines but in my opinion the best thing that couldve happen is indeed a film that doesnt take itself too seriously. I've only seen it once so far. I couldn't say what I thought of it afterwards, and I still can't. I'm curious to see how a 2nd viewing will change my reception. TFA improved a lot, because most things that bothered me on the first viewing I could shrug off as minor annoyances or indeed appreciate as goofy humour. I'm not so sure TLJ will fare as well, because most things that bothered me seemed to be fundamental problems of using out of character (or sometimes out of plot) humour to lighten the mood, quite often in places where the mood isn't supposed to be light in the first place (excellent example: The Rey/boulder/fish monk moment). It's the same issue that ultimately killed the Hobbit films (along with ever more exaggerated plot lines) and it's been around for a while. You could see it slowly creeping into the LOTR films, which is why ROTK, while in many regards the best of the series (with the story coming to its conclusion, it has to be) also has the most problematic moments. And it's alwayas called "not taking yourself too seriously", as if treating a serious plot line seriously is wrong. There are plenty of ways to include humour while still taking yourself appropriately seriously. But when characters do out of character stuff or a film does "out of narrative stuff" (like the ironing scene), it essentially breaks the fourth wall (by saying "Hello audience, look, we're funny"). And when it's done in a film that, at the core, tries to tell a convincing story in a convincing world (as opposed to, say, a Monty Python comedy), I call it taking yourself not seriously enough. 4 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: You mean films that destroy seriousness with inappropriate gags. Not always, but often, yes. 5 minutes ago, zeekypttr5678 said: I'd much rather watch a film that doesn't take itself too seriously as opposed to a film that takes itself far too seriously (I'm looking at you Batman V Superman) I haven't seen that and I have no interest in seeing it either. But if its problem is that it doesn't make enough fun of itself, then it's either a comedy that's not funny enough, or it's a drama (in whatever shape) that's not dramatic enough to make you accept that it isn't a comedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkinson 4 Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Alex Ross has a new piece in The New Yorker about Williams' use of leitmotifs in the Star Wars saga generally and The Last Jedi in particular: A Field Guide to the Musical Leitmotifs of "Star Wars" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taikomochi 1,136 Posted January 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2018 I really love the march Kylo’s theme gets in “Peace and Purpose.” Feels almost like Williams has adapted it into a longer lined melody, which is appropriate since Kylo has finally become a “complete” character upon ascending to rule the First Order. Luka, crumbs, Remco and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 That statement was quite obviously temped with "The Arena", which I thought fit well in that scene, especially since it parallels Anakin's march on the Jedi temple which uses the same cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 16 hours ago, Taikomochi said: I really love the march Kylo’s theme gets in “Peace and Purpose.” Feels almost like Williams has adapted it into a longer lined melody, which is appropriate since Kylo has finally become a “complete” character upon ascending to rule the First Order. That march-like development was exactly what I wanted to hear, hopefully it can further develop into a broader march for Kylo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,441 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 But I'd like that too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 It makes a lot of sense musically for Williams to develop that even further in IX. Guess we'll have to wait and see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,441 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 It makes TOO much sense! We'd all love it but it's not his pattern :C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 We'll just have to see, if he doesn't, that's okay. There'll be plenty more to chew on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,441 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Yep, it'll be a great gift to all of us true believers in any case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 On 1/6/2018 at 1:20 PM, Taikomochi said: I really love the march Kylo’s theme gets in “Peace and Purpose.” Feels almost like Williams has adapted it into a longer lined melody, which is appropriate since Kylo has finally become a “complete” character upon ascending to rule the First Order. Same/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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