artguy360 1,843 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 That moment begins with rising strings, pauses, then into a very quiet, heartbreaking rendition of Leia's theme before a very short quote of the Force theme on strings straight into a sweeping rendition of Leia's theme. Yes it is a direct quote of the concert arrangement but it is not "from nothing directly into the Princess Leia concert suite." The preceding material is important to building up to that moment and it resolves with the Force theme into a gentle statement of Rey's theme. The before and after of that quote are important to the whole track. To me that moment is very effective and the lacing of multiple themes back to back is indicative of how JW treats new and old themes throughout the entire score. Breadstick Basilisk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Go and see the film. What an useless thread for the whiners. Bilbo and gkgyver 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 The a lot more contemporary sound of Williams' original score in the track doesn't mix well at all with the Golden Age-y sound of the 40 year old concert arrangement. Williams proves in other parts of the score that he can bring both together, but that instance smells of temping. Mathieu and Joni Wiljami 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Woods 555 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 5 hours ago, Jay said: I'm glad Patricia Sullivan mastered this, it sounds much better than TFA's album. She mastered The Force Awakens as well. -Erik- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 404 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 "The Rebellion is Reborn" is a masterpiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I love the rendition of Yoda's theme in the end credits. JW makes sure to clear the air with near silence before Yoda's theme starts and just as the main melody repeats the violins come in just a hair higher than you expect to really give the rendition some lift. Beautiful. This whole end credits medley is growing on me, especially the way it goes from Rose's theme, to the new militaristic material, to March of the Resistance back to Rose's theme then into Rey's theme with some pretty active and unexpected repeated string figures in the background. There is hanging lack of resolve, but at the same time it's all super interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 First listen through, I loved it! Not all the best material is on this, but it's a pretty well-rounded experience with many highlights. It's sure to get a lot of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 15 hours ago, AzOutcast said: Yeah, no note. Which I always find a little disappointing. I've always enjoyed reading what the director has to say about the score. Conclusion: Rian didn't like the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,893 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I caved in and listened to about 1 minute of music from the album; nothing thematic or thematically spoiling at all though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2017 It's probably safe to listen to the Main Title. Manakin Skywalker, artguy360 and Bilbo 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost1 105 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 7 hours ago, artguy360 said: I love the rendition of Yoda's theme in the end credits. JW makes sure to clear the air with near silence before Yoda's theme starts and just as the main melody repeats the violins come in just a hair higher than you expect to really give the rendition some lift. Beautiful. This whole end credits medley is growing on me, especially the way it goes from Rose's theme, to the new militaristic material, to March of the Resistance back to Rose's theme then into Rey's theme with some pretty active and unexpected repeated string figures in the background. There is hanging lack of resolve, but at the same time it's all super interesting. In the theatre it was hard to follow, but on repeat listens the end credit suite is just excellent. Love how it jumps between motifs, I don't think he's ever done that before? Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 If you don't consider hearing a unique piece of standalone score and source music before seeing the movie a spoiler, Canto Bight would be an excellent sample. I didn't mind the End Credits in the cinema, but now on the OST, I absolutely loved it. Jost1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 22 minutes ago, RadJ said: In the theatre it was hard to follow, but on repeat listens the end credit suite is just excellent. Love how it jumps between motifs, I don't think he's ever done that before? Is the OST End Credits identical to the one in the theatre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I think so. Jurassic Shark and Jost1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 26 minutes ago, RadJ said: In the theatre it was hard to follow, but on repeat listens the end credit suite is just excellent. Love how it jumps between motifs, I don't think he's ever done that before? I don't think he has every spaced short quotes of different themes so closely together in a Star Wars end credits medley like this before. Certainly not with this much back and forth. I think the closest we got previously would be the tail end of the end credits of TFA where Rey's theme and the Force theme interweave before the Force theme takes over and develops into other material that eventually leads to the final soft twinkly statement of Luke's theme. Jost1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 6 hours ago, Romão said: I love the fanfare theme heard at the end of track 2 and throughout track 7 It's so simple but I'm finding it kinda addictive. The thing I've actually been going around humming is the related motif at around 1:30 of "Rebellion is Reborn". I really like that the rhythm makes it something of a cousin of the Rebel fanfare as well as hearing a similarity to March of the Resistance's B theme which are both neat connections, and brings more of a melancholy, uncertain tone to it. I like the way it hushes everything, has this cool, covert quality. Maybe I'm off track, haven't seen the film yet but just makes me wonder what it might contribute to the film's mood or whatever the story of the Rebellion/Resistance is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jost1 105 Posted December 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2017 Good lord the action music in Main Title and Escape is amazing! Will, Taikomochi and Breadstick Basilisk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I've yet to encounter the, shall we say, "recycled" material. And I don't think I'd approve of it. But damn, the new thematic material sounds beautiful! Its nowhere near top-tier Williams, but still. The Canto Bight diegetic material is too out-there, for me, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 And another day of torture begins without my score arriving yet. And being unable to hear it in the film until tomorrow as well. Oh what a joyous season tis upon me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Is The Rebellion is Reborn really a concert arrangement? If it is, I don't like the structure of the piece at all. The discrete musical motifs are fine and used effectively throughout the OST but this particular track seems too disjointed to be a concert arrangement. I hope this is in-film music scored to an extended sequence but it does bear many of the markings of a concert arrangement, particularly the ending. I don't think it compares well to Rey's Theme or March of the Resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I think its a concert arrangement edited from material from the score (a-la Battle of the Heroes) compared to something that was recorded as a suite (Imperial March). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 That makes a lot of sense. Damn shame. I don't care much for Battle of the Heroes either for that exact reason. One can hear the cut and paste nature of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 On the other hand, its not impossible to create an organic-feeling suite from existing material or alternates. :cough: Concerning Hobbits :Cough: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Maybe JW's music editor is not so good at doing so. I remember the ROTS OST had a lot of obvious edits that many people here noticed on first listen. This OST doesn't seem so bad in that regard outside of the first track and The Rebellion is Reborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I assume JW approved all edits on the soundtrack album. He seems to care a lot about such things, and he is the album producer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moviefan1138 0 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I searched for "last jedi soundtrack" videos uploaded today, and this came up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 What an idiot. Darth Mulder and moviefan1138 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 5 hours ago, Stefancos said: Didn't people say Rey's theme sounded like a Harry Potter theme about two years ago? Rose's Theme reminds me of Anakin's. If if they did I missed those quotes. I loved Rey’s theme from the beginning. It sounds nothing like HP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mulder 154 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I need to heard it, today. Where can I find it? PLEASE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 hours ago, mrbellamy said: It's so simple but I'm finding it kinda addictive. The thing I've actually been going around humming is the related motif at around 1:30 of "Rebellion is Reborn". I really like that the rhythm makes it something of a cousin of the Rebel fanfare as well as hearing a similarity to March of the Resistance's B theme which are both neat connections, and brings more of a melancholy, uncertain tone to it. I like the way it hushes everything, has this cool, covert quality. Maybe I'm off track, haven't seen the film yet but just makes me wonder what it might contribute to the film's mood or whatever the story of the Rebellion/Resistance is. I think the motif at 1.30 you mention is the same I'm talking about I'm also really loving the various renditions and workouts that the low strings figures that precedes Kylo Ren's "Hesitant theme" rendition at TFA End Credits. This motif: Which in TFA I think it's only heard again when Rey uses the mind trick on the stormtrooper. This motif was heard in the recording of an unreleased track in the 60 minutes score video for TFA and I was expecting a stronger presence in that score, So I'm happy it hasn't been abandoned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I find it hard to say something in detail about the music at this point already, even though my initial reaction is extremely positive. But I will say that I’m SO happy that Shawn Murphy abandoned TFA’s ridiculously dry mix. There’s so much more resonance to the orchestra this time around, and it sounds spectacular. In the movie it is also mixed much louder than TFA, which was just great. I haven’t heard much Williams scores in cinema because of my age (I can only imagine how it was to experience ‘Journey to the Island’ back in ‘93, for instance!), but this is one that really made an impact on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I like the score a lot but Chrome Dome is such an uninteresting action cue. Mathieu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, El Jefe said: It sounds nothing like HP. Its mostly the lilting nature of the theme, and some of the instrumentation choices such as celesta. And yes, Rose's theme does remind me (for fleeting moments) of Anakin's theme. I don't think it goes depper than the two of them being "youthful" themes. There are also moments in it that remind me of The Force theme. Its really neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, Remco said: I find it hard to say something in detail about the music at this point already, even though my initial reaction is extremely positive. But I will say that I’m SO happy that Shawn Murphy abandoned TFA’s ridiculously dry mix. There’s so much more resonance to the orchestra this time around, and it sounds spectacular. In the movie it is also mixed much louder than TFA, which was just great. I haven’t heard much Williams scores in cinema because of my age (I can only imagine how it was to experience ‘Journey to the Island’ back in ‘93, for instance!), but this is one that really made an impact on me. Journey to the Island was indeed fantastic to experience for the first time in the cinema! That perfect film/score experience is what got me hooked on JW. Maybe you'll get a chance to see it in cinema in 2018, when the film celebrates its 25th anniversary? I think the dry mix in TFA works well with JW's "busy" action writing, bringing out all the details clearly. Remco and ocelot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, El Jefe said: If if they did I missed those quotes. I loved Rey’s theme from the beginning. It sounds nothing like HP. Harry Potter was the first thing I thought of when I first heard Ray's theme. Mathieu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: What an idiot. Nah, it's cute man. Why not use themes from John Williams and have fun and do your own thing with it. To me it's the ultimate compliment and it made me laugh, love it, hahaha At least he's starting with samples from Williams rather than some other hip hop/rap thing. He's having fun 3 hours ago, Denise Bryson said: Harry Potter was the first thing I thought of when I first heard Ray's theme. First time I hear Rey's theme, I pickup the phone to another Star Wars geek and said, mark my words, this is the force user not Finn. This is his feminine interpretation of the Force Theme musically (chord wise). It didn't make me think of Potter, but it did make me think of Dvorak New World Symphony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I know some people like the end credits but I can't get onboard with the awkward transitions. It's like someone took track samples and joined them into one file. Mathieu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 The transitions are no good. The music is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, ocelot said: Nah, it's cute man. Why not use themes from John Williams and have fun and do your own thing with it. To me it's the ultimate compliment and it made me laugh, love it, hahaha I wasn't referring to his music - I just found the guy extremely annoying. What do you mean by Rey's theme being a feminine interpretation chord wise of the Force theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Chen G. said: The transitions are no good. The music is. Quite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I fucking love the motif in “Main Title and Escape” that appears a few times and climaxes at 4:03. So badass. Damien F and Jost1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I'm also starting to wonder if the end Credits are just bits of score edited together. Someone pointed out there's a bit that not elsewhere on the album i mean the editor is Ramiro Belgart and he did Crystal Skull and Irina;s Theme is an edit job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Haven't listened to the OST yet, so my post may be totally off, but based on many comments here and there, I would say it's possible this time around Williams didn't write a composition for the end credits, rather they could be an edit job combining various cues from the score, which would explain the awkward transitions (this is reinforced by something artguy360 said regarding a particular bit that appears in the end credits (this is spoiler material, so I won't go into detail)). With possibly the very end of the credits written specifically by Williams to bring a satisfying conclusion to it all. Or maybe the version of the end credits found on the album is an edited down version of the original composition (which once again, would explain the awkward transitions). Or maybe JW's transitions here are too bold for some people to handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 It fits with the rest of the score though, which is full of sudden transitions, tempo changes, key changes etc. It sounds like John Williams on meth! BLUMENKOHL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I like all that if done with style! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I bet once we look into it further we'll find that almost all the tracks on the album have weird microedits , like RotS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, Stefancos said: It sounds like John Williams on meth! Then he'll better call Saul. They did both work on The Post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, king mark said: I bet once we look into it further we'll find that almost all the tracks on the album have weird microedits , like RotS While I'm sure there are microedits, since they appear in virtually every JW OST, I doubt they are the reason it sounds so frantic. It actually plays very much like I remember it in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 34 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I wasn't referring to his music - I just found the guy extremely annoying. What do you mean by Rey's theme being a feminine interpretation chord wise of the Force theme? Listen to the landing. The last chord of the first line of both, and the chord that precedes it and starts the theme. Lets for an example start with D minor, both land on G Major. In The Force theme it hits it more strongly or more Masculine with the tune landing on the tonic (G), of the G major chord. In Rey's theme, the tune has a slightly more gentler landing in the G chord by landing on D, the 5th. It just hit me the first time I heard it. I hadn't seen the film yet. I heard that, went "What?!" went to the piano and said "F***er just gave us a female force user in the theme" Jacck and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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