gkgyver 1,647 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 52 minutes ago, filmmusic said: It depends on how you define "more". Don't misunderstand me, the Force Theme is a legendary theme, and a staple of Star Wars music, but you can only do it so much until it becomes cliched, no matter what composer does it. The full Binary Sunset cue should be very special, but if you close every movie with it, it takes away the meaning of it, and turns it into a kind of musical Looney Toons "That's all folks". Williams can do better than that. To be honest, I don't understand people who say they didn't expect much new themes, or new sweeping music, anyway, but new variations of old themes. I mean, seriously? If you can't expect new sweeping themes from a Star Wars score, where DO you expect them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,679 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 And really there's probably no way it doesn't close IX so it's disappointing they didn't take their chance to go another way this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 5,221 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 17 minutes ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: While I am usually all for irreverence, it is understandable why this word is one to generally be avoided. Its use here was particularly tasteless, since the context, putting down others' opinions in an incredibly obnoxious way, was already heinous. And to justify it by saying this board is "salty" is very unclassy. The brief exchange on this earlier in the thread, especially the few posts which criticized the initial request for more tact, was remarked on today by some colleagues of mine who browse the site. It is not a good look on JWFan, not at all. Many people view our forum. Developing a reputation for devolving into savagery during Star Wars fervor would be most unfortunate. I guess jokes are bad now in a world in which everyone is offended by everything. And yes, for the record, what I said was a joke. Perhaps a "tasteless" joke, but a joke nonetheless. In any case, I've deleted it. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,151 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, gkgyver said: Don't misunderstand me Don't worry. I'm with you here. 3 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: And really there's probably no way it doesn't close IX It could end with Yun Nab, once Ewoks reappear for the grand finale! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted December 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I guess jokes are bad now in a world in which everyone is offended by everything. And yes, for the record, what I said was a joke. Perhaps a "tasteless" joke, but a joke nonetheless. In any case, I've deleted it. I'm the last person to be offended by something, and the first to decry oversensitive bullshit. But this did leave a bad taste in my mouth, and not just me. Oh well. Bilbo, aviazn and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 5,221 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Just now, TheGreyPilgrim said: I'm the last person to be offended by something, and the first to decry oversensitive bullshit. But this did leave a bad taste in my mouth, and not just me. Oh well. That was not my intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,393 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I've read a few things that make me very happy: - badass - many March of the Resistance renditions - a lusher orchestra - choir - the 6-minute battle track seems to be as great as I assumed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ins 42 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Followed by 5: 0:42 - 1:16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost1 105 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Love the two new themes. Rose's theme is something out of Indiana Jones while the new motif for the Resistance fleet (?) has a nice sense of tragedy and honor to it DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ins 42 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Interesting, 6: 3:24-3:39. Always sounded like the "dark side beckons" to me. It's in AOTC, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost1 105 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I like that quizzical ending to the end credits where it quotes the start of Rey's theme, it sort of says what will the future hold? Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ins 42 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 8: 1:20 - - will be a grower over time. 1 minute ago, ins said: 8: 1:20 - - will be a grower over time. Ah wait, what am I telling? It already is great. Did I tell you, I love Williams' music? 10 minutes ago, ins said: 8: 1:20 - - will be a grower over time. Ah wait, what am I telling? It already is great. Did I tell you, I love Williams' music? Notice how he passes this little bass-line motif at 1:40 to the upper strings and how it comes back. Beautiful! I'm just at track 8 with my first listening and this score already turns out to be amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,156 Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 hours ago, mrbellamy said: I suppose it's fair to say that John Williams is running a little lower on genius juice these days. As a currently working composer he's "merely" writing some of the best film music of each year. But that said, familiarity still breeds contentment. The TFA themes feel right at home in this score and their bolder statements consistently put a smile on my face, and I'm guessing by the end of the trilogy they'll have had a nice effect on kids growing up with these things. Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLopeK 0 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 "Main title/Escape" (04:03-04:10) Awesome!!! new theme-resistence??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 5,221 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Man I'm getting excited to listen to this! 2 more days for me (for the album), and 24 more hours for the film! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ins 42 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Yeah, track 11. The complete thing is a fun treasure ride! KLopeK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,317 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I love the fanfare theme heard at the end of track 2 and throughout track 7 mrbellamy and KLopeK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,156 Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 hours ago, AzOutcast said: @Jay In case no one else posted it yet... Awesome, thanks for that! I'm glad Patricia Sullivan mastered this, it sounds much better than TFA's album. Weird to see William Ross credited as Bill Ross. And of course the Brasil melody incorporated into Canto Bight is credited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wierzbowski85 7 Posted December 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2017 My impression after a first listen is nothing but positive. All TFA themes are there and expanded upon in wonderful ways – right off the bat we are reintroduced to thematic material from the last movie. There seems to be more momentum and movement to the score as a whole. More immediacy, which I'm sure will be felt in the film. It took me a bit to warm to TFA score at first – expectations and all that – and now I love it and place it above his work on the prequels. This is very much in line with what we heard in TFA, but I'm already loving this score just as much, if not more. The new material is fantastic, the careful use of OT motifs is masterful, and it's really fun. Frankly I'm just thrilled to have another JW Star Wars score to cherish. It's a special thing, and I know we're in the twilight years of his career. The man is still several classes above everyone else. I can't wait to see the film tomorrow. Jost1, Cerebral Cortex, Breadstick Basilisk and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ins 42 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Hmm, track 12: 0:40- 0:56. I've heard this motif before, but was it from Star Wars? Chamber of Secrets might it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,081 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I must be getting old and senile. It may all have destroyed my hearing, but I like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ins 42 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Track 14 starts with Williams in awesome-mode at 1:32 till the end. Notice how this small motif at 2:03 returns from TFA, even more fleshed out at 2:18-2:25! Always reminds me of Mynok Cave from ESB. No time stamps required for track 16. Just great! Track 17...wow! This track ranks among the greats from ANH, ESB, and ROTJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Does really nobody hear the similarity between Rose's theme and Anakin's theme, particulary the first phrase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,679 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 the similarity ends there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ins 42 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Yeah, got confused the first time listening to it. The first phrase definitely triggers Anakin's theme for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,679 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 in the end it's not the same the at all thought .Who cares if the first 2 notes are the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ins 42 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I don't think it matters. In fact, many pieces start with the same two notes. However, confusing it was nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, king mark said: in the end it's not the same the at all thought .Who cares if the first 2 notes are the same It's the first recognizable thematic gesture that's the same. Jesus, don't get all defensive, it's not a criticism. Maybe you figure eBay out first, then try music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,558 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Questioning the genius of John Williams is not permitted. ocelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,679 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I do question it sometimes. I didn't like TFA that much on first listen and I said so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,889 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Despite some pretty significant differences between the two OSTs, I find myself having the same early impressions of TLJ as I did TFA in many regards. I was just about to type "although the action music is thrilling, it doesn't seem very memorable" which is something I know I said about TFA's action music. But now, years removed I genuinely enjoy listening to I Can Fly Anything (both OST and FYC) and Scherzo for X-Wings and feel that they are distinct and memorable. Even Follow Me and The Falcon are distinct despite being a bit ho-hum. I think repeated listens and seeing the film will help the music settle in my mind. 1 hour ago, Wierzbowski85 said: My impression after a first listen is nothing but positive. All TFA themes are there and expanded upon in wonderful ways – right off the bat we are reintroduced to thematic material from the last movie. There seems to be more momentum and movement to the score as a whole. More immediacy, which I'm sure will be felt in the film. It took me a bit to warm to TFA score at first – expectations and all that – and now I love it and place it above his work on the prequels. This is very much in line with what we heard in TFA, but I'm already loving this score just as much, if not more. The new material is fantastic, the careful use of OT motifs is masterful, and it's really fun. Frankly I'm just thrilled to have another JW Star Wars score to cherish. It's a special thing, and I know we're in the twilight years of his career. The man is still several classes above everyone else. I can't wait to see the film tomorrow. I totally agree about the immediacy of this OST. I was just going to say that the music seems more urgent in this score compared to TFA. The music also seems much darker and heavier and more varied in texture. The second half action music in particular has a real weight to it. Thematically this score seems very dense but again also in a bit of a rush. Interesting stuff to sort out. Chewy and Wierzbowski85 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,679 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 is this case I'm sure it's because the OST is missing half the cues .I predict TLJ will be the next holy grail fof expanded scores IN TFA I thought the contrary, that the unreleased music might not make that much of a difference, and I still don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, king mark said: is this case I'm sure it's because the OST is missing half the cues .I predict TLJ will be the next holy grail fof expanded scores Somehow I doubt it. But will be seeing the film tomorrow, so we'll see. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ins 42 Posted December 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2017 Track 18; I particular like the end at 2:34.This brass writing you will only find with Williams. Track 19, at 1:09 I get the feeling that Williams let's us wait for the next installment to flesh out a theme for Kylo and the New Order. The beginning of track 20 is also great. Overall, I must say I really like the score upon first listening. It has more instant stand-out moments for me compared to TFA. As you may have noticed, I like modern Williams action writing and I am not to fond of old themes - we heard so much - repeated too much. Since there seems to be much more music in the movie itself, I am looking forward to discover more treasures which specifically will drive king mark nuts (ok, and myself ). This score does not disappoint! Balahkay, Taikomochi and Loert 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 549 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 9 hours ago, king mark said: The recurring themes from TFA are all better than they actually were in TFA To sum it up, this was my most exciting first listen of a JW score since Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone That's the King Mark I've been waiting to hear since I came back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Top 6 favorite tracks for me I think: The Fathiers, The Battle of Crait, The Supremacy, The Spark, The Rebellion is Reborn and Finale. I have diffficulty to decide if like the score more than TFA or not, in my mind it is a close battle. I enjoy the energy and underscore of TLJ more but miss a new big themes like Rey and Jedi Steps here. Had Williams introduced one big theme like Rey, and preferably also done a end credit suite like TFA the battle would have been easy, but right now I lean toward prefering TFA a tad more as a whole. I also miss TFA's less notes "wasted" aspect which I saw someone mention. Tracks like a Chrome Dome and The Cave drags the score down a bit. The "fun" in Canto Bight is OK, I prefer Phantom Menace's Augie's Municipal Band much more when it comes to such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,889 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Listening thru the whole OST a second time, I think the whole score can be summed up by three words: moody, big, and dramatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,679 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I would have selected something else than Canto Blight for the c.d. Itr sounds like a mix of cantina band the the mexican music in Crystal Skull, but I'd prefer another action score piece To me it wastes precious space like the Castafiore cue in Tintin. I probably won't listen to it more than once or twice Now that I think about it I think The Rebellion Reborn is 2 cues stuck together where the first one ends at 1:28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,108 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 First couple of listens, TFA is a better, much more cohesive score. Roses theme is nice but doesn’t sound like it belongs in a Star Wars film. I had to remind myself several times I wasn’t listening to a Harry Potter score. No real standout set pieces in this one. End credits sound all over the place. Perhaps Willians is running out of ideas for Star Wars. I can throw the usual accolades, well written and orchestrated but it’s a step down from TFA. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Didn't people say Rey's theme sounded like a Harry Potter theme about two years ago? Rose's Theme reminds me of Anakin's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,679 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 yeah but I instantly like rose's theme. Took me a while to appreciate Rey's Theme Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 It's a far more simpler and straight forward theme, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indianagirl 298 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I haven't heard a single note from the score and consider myself relatively unspoiled for the movie. I can't wait to hear it tomorrow night!!!!!! Oh and I'll see it too lol Breadstick Basilisk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,889 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Going back to when TFA's OST first came out, did Main Titles and the Attack on Jakku sound as jumbled and disjointed to anyone as TLJ's Main Titles and The Escape does now? I think they are pretty comparable in that sense. The FYC album might provide a better listening experience for this opening sequence as TFA's first two FYC tracks do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I don't know what to think of the sudden appearances of direct concert suite quotes, with orchestrations and all. It's incredibly jarring. Oddly, Yoda's theme works better than Leia's theme early on. It's great music, but it doesn't gel too well in the middle of the surrounding music. On the other hand, in Track 16, it works really well. Hit or miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,495 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I feel like Williams did an awesome job hiding themes/motifs like he did on TFA This new score needs time to be studied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I get some "Anakin's Betrayal" and Mustafar vibes from track 18. Maybe whatever scenes it scores where temped with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,889 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I enjoy every rendition of Leia's theme on the OST. It seems very well woven into the rest of the music in the score. I can't recall a single rendition that felt jarring or directly lifted from previous material without some kind of alteration. The quiet, almost tender renditions are particularly emotionally resonant for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 In track 4, at the 3 minute mark, it goes from nothing directly into the Princess Leia concert suite with little to none alterations, and goes right back to nothing. That's just wierd. It almost feels like it goes into source music for half a minute. Other quotes are well placed, but that one is odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,679 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 ok I agree this score could have done without the direct lifts of the concert versions of Leia's Theme and Yoda's Theme The Tie Fighter Attack lift is also quesrionnable .I never liked Superstructure Chase on RotJ either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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