Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted August 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2018 Was thinking about this as I found a video of the Book Thief ending. It's gotta be one of Williams most effective emotional scene:One of the few movies that had me in tears K.M.. who hopes this poll wasn't done before Joni Wiljami, SteveMc and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,642 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Schindler's List Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Book Thief is a beautiful score and is more effective with the film than apart. It took me a good long while to appreciate and understand the score though. Upon first listen it seemed kind of strangely monolithic and heavy. I like it a whole lot more now. Schindler's List is better in every respect both score and film. SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Both are too plain and conventional, but Schindler at least offers a handful of good themes. Book Thief has one lovely musical montage (the death sequence) amidst an ocean of leftovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KK 3,307 Posted August 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2018 No contest. Nothing in The Book Thief comes remotely close to this: Not Mr. Big, Bilbo, SteveMc and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 The Book Thief of course. Schindler's List is also brilliant, mostly because of Itzhak Perlman. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 32 minutes ago, publicist said: Both are too plain and conventional, 11 minutes ago, hornist said: Schindler's List is also brilliant, mostly because of Itzhak Perlman 😂 A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 SL obviously. The source music alone is more entertaining than the Bore Thief. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Entertaining..? Films like these? Watch disney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Schindler's List and it isn't even close. Neither of them are top 20 Williams though. The Book Thief is pretty good, but it is a surprsingly bland Williams's score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 SCHINDLER'S LIST is a cloying, self-pitying, monumental bore of a score. THE BOOK THIEF is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 3 hours ago, publicist said: Both are too plain and conventional Considering the way the music is used in SL, it is quite appropriate for the score to be plain. Watch Munich and you'll see that you never have to expect that much complexity from a Spielberg-Williams collaboration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 That's what the philistines say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Come, come, Mr. Pub. Young minds, fresh ideas; be tolerant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thor 7,529 Posted August 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2018 THE BOOK THIEF is IMO one of the most disappointing scores in JW's career, while SCHINDLER'S LIST is one of the very best. So yeah -- not even a competition. Bilbo, MrScratch and John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Darth Porkins 53 Posted August 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2018 How is this even a question? Schindler's List all the way. MrScratch, Not Mr. Big and Bilbo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Schindler's List is on top, to be sure. But, they are both masterpieces. The two scores, along with Superman, that really got me into Williams' music. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 I've still never listened to the Book Thief OST all the way through in one sitting. I've heard the whole thing. But I can't sit through it. MrScratch and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 3 hours ago, publicist said: That's what the philistines say. Watch Spielberg's recent movies a you'll see he's on the way to become one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 7 hours ago, publicist said: Both are too plain and conventional, but Schindler at least offers a handful of good themes. Book Thief has one lovely musical montage (the death sequence) amidst an ocean of leftovers. I also generally tend to appreciate more a complex score with respect to a plain one, but Schindler's List is really a case where the apparent simplicity of some of its features (harmony and orchestration) are more than compensated by the absolute beauty and appropriateness of the themes. It's not an easy task to write melodies of that kind. In this sense, I don't find it so "conventional". Also, the details of the orchestration offer several interesting situations, despite it being largely string-based. And a cue like Auschwitz-Birkenau, with those timpani glissandos and Bartok-like atmosphere, is absolutely gripping. Book Thief, in my opinion, mostly suffers from being fragmentary. If a score is made mostly of 1/2-minute cues, the composer simply has no time to develop ideas in a completely satisfactory way, even if the ideas themselves are good. Schindler's List, of course, which is mostly made of 4/5-minute cues, did not have that problem at all. SteveMc and Ludwig 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Schindler’s List AINEC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 20 minutes ago, Score said: I also generally tend to appreciate more a complex score with respect to a plain one, but Schindler's List is really a case where the apparent simplicity of some of its features (harmony and orchestration) are more than compensated by the absolute beauty and appropriateness of the themes. It's not an easy task to write melodies of that kind. In this sense, I don't find it so "conventional". Also, the details of the orchestration offer several interesting situations, despite it being largely string-based. And a cue like Auschwitz-Birkenau, with those timpani glissandos and Bartok-like atmosphere, is absolutely gripping. I stand by my decades-old opinion that it's well-intended sentimental tripe. That plus the extremely unimaginative orchestral setting, thickly neo-romantic, of course, makes it one of my main targets for lazy consensus Williams. Of course, it's still better than Book Thief, but considerably worse than Angela's Ashes or Memoirs of a Geisha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 8 hours ago, Score said: I also generally tend to appreciate more a complex score with respect to a plain one, but Schindler's List is really a case where the apparent simplicity of some of its features (harmony and orchestration) are more than compensated by the absolute beauty and appropriateness of the themes. It's not an easy task to write melodies of that kind. In this sense, I don't find it so "conventional". Also, the details of the orchestration offer several interesting situations, despite it being largely string-based. And a cue like Auschwitz-Birkenau, with those timpani glissandos and Bartok-like atmosphere, is absolutely gripping. I agree. It's plain, but not completely conventional. 8 hours ago, Score said: Book Thief, in my opinion, mostly suffers from being fragmentary. If a score is made mostly of 1/2-minute cues, the composer simply has no time to develop ideas in a completely satisfactory way, even if the ideas themselves are good. Schindler's List, of course, which is mostly made of 4/5-minute cues, did not have that problem at all. The main reason why I don't like Goldsmith's Congo. 7 hours ago, publicist said: I stand by my decades-old opinion that it's well-intended sentimental tripe. That plus the extremely unimaginative orchestral setting, thickly neo-romantic, of course, makes it one of my main targets for lazy consensus Williams. Of course, it's still better than Book Thief, but considerably worse than Angela's Ashes or Memoirs of a Geisha. I kind of agree a bit. While it's still excellent music, it's not Alien, Lost World, 100 Rifles or Minority Report. But I'm not dismissive towards a traditionally oriented score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 10 hours ago, Score said: I also generally tend to appreciate more a complex score with respect to a plain one, but Schindler's List is really a case where the apparent simplicity of some of its features (harmony and orchestration) are more than compensated by the absolute beauty and appropriateness of the themes. It's not an easy task to write melodies of that kind. In this sense, I don't find it so "conventional". Also, the details of the orchestration offer several interesting situations, despite it being largely string-based. And a cue like Auschwitz-Birkenau, with those timpani glissandos and Bartok-like atmosphere, is absolutely gripping. Book Thief, in my opinion, mostly suffers from being fragmentary. If a score is made mostly of 1/2-minute cues, the composer simply has no time to develop ideas in a completely satisfactory way, even if the ideas themselves are good. Schindler's List, of course, which is mostly made of 4/5-minute cues, did not have that problem at all. Quality post. I agree with The Book Theif's fragmentary issue. But, I feel it enhances the chamber orchestra essence of the work, and definitely is conductive to piano reduction of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 13 hours ago, Thor said: THE BOOK THIEF is IMO one of the most disappointing scores in JW's career, while SCHINDLER'S LIST is one of the very best. So yeah -- not even a competition. He turned out to be a huge disappointment. His best scores are far behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Schindler's List by far, but I do like The Book Thief. Enjoyed both books too as far as a book like Schindler's List can be enjoyed. Actually, I'm learning a nice guitar arrangement of the Schindler's List Theme at the moment. And a few years ago, I enjoyed getting down on piano the main theme from The Book Thief: SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sandor 797 Posted August 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2018 Although I’ve warmed up to The Book Thief these past few years, Schindler’s List is one of Williams’ very best scores and the primary theme is one of the most performed and most recorded pieces of film music in history. The score is a classic: powerful, beautiful and haunting. crumbs, Not Mr. Big, SteveMc and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Schindler's List is a great score but I don't really like it much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,529 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 SCHINDLER'S LIST is probably among the JW soundtracks I play the least, but not because it's bad, but because it's so draining, emotionally. Very dark and gutwrenching. Not something you put on when you want a 'pep'. I have to be in the right mood. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I'm physically unable to listen to music again anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Thor said: SCHINDLER'S LIST is probably among the JW soundtracks I play the least, but not because it's bad, but because it's so draining, emotionally. Very dark and gutwrenching. Not something you put on when you want a 'pep'. I have to be in the right mood. Same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I've kind of been waiting on an expansion to revisit it actually. As a whole score I mean. I hear the concert theme in various places regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, Thor said: SCHINDLER'S LIST is probably among the JW soundtracks I play the least, but not because it's bad, but because it's so draining, emotionally. Very dark and gutwrenching. Not something you put on when you want a 'pep'. I have to be in the right mood. Dark seems like the wrong word. However, it applies to Munich, which has a similar depressing effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,529 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Dark seems like the wrong word. However, it applies to Munich, which has a similar depressing effect. Dark, emotionally, I guess. Not necessarily in sound. But there's something about those aching strings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 I think a lot of Schindler's List's profound effect owes itself to the raw performances and recording as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Dark and disturbing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 What the heck? In a week on JWFan I've learnt that Spielberg isn't that good of a director, Jaws is just a very good score, and now Schindler's List is low-grade sentimental mush? Not Mr. Big and SteveMc 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Unbelievable sometimes, this place. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Used to be cool place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawel P. 738 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 The answer is very simple in my opinion. The Book Thief is a good score, neither less nor more. Looking at the standards of today's scores, even very good. Schindler's List is a masterpiece. Music, whose fragments, especially Theme, will be remembered and played by orchestras even in one hundred years. I'm sure about that. Sandor and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 On 8/22/2018 at 9:54 AM, publicist said: I stand by my decades-old opinion that it's well-intended sentimental tripe. That plus the extremely unimaginative orchestral setting, thickly neo-romantic, of course, makes it one of my main targets for lazy consensus Williams. Of course, it's still better than Book Thief, but considerably worse than Angela's Ashes or Memoirs of a Geisha. It would be better if the theme didn't wear its heart on its sleeve and if it wasn't just a twist on a Mahler figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,529 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 6 hours ago, Nick Parker said: What the heck? In a week on JWFan I've learnt that Spielberg isn't that good of a director, Jaws is just a very good score, and now Schindler's List is low-grade sentimental mush. It's bizarre, yes. I find most of such criticisms fairly "transparent", though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 God forbid someone demands more from a game-changing picture about the Holocaust than the most obvious sentimental approach in a thick jewish idiom with Perlman serenading on top. It's OscarTM Williams in full force and on this occasion, i wish Spielberg would have opted for a more ballsy collaborator. But alas...and does it really matter now?...we have the weepy 'masterpiece' for a maximum playcount on Classic FM (which is exactly where it belongs). Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Geez😲 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Watch your blood pressure, drama queens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I can't tell if that post is being post-modernist sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Pub must be the only one here who gets high blood pressure by laughing at silly posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 110/70 Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 That's your BP? Well done to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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