Jurassic Shark 12,137 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Avatar? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Avatar? The one with the blue people who shoot arrows? Or the one with the kid with a blue arrow on his head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,984 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, Arpy said: Such as? You know my outlook on scoring in general, which is that you cannot seperate your impression of the film from that of the music. They're intristically connected, and even on album, the score is little more than a souvenir of the film. If a film is great, it make a good score (Braveheart) seem better than it is on its own right. If a film isn't terribly good, it can make the score seem worst than it really is (Attack of the Clones) on its own right. Should episode IX be ho-hum (which I of course hope it isn't) that'll undoubtedly affect one's impression of the score. bollemanneke and Smaug The Iron 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Score 770 Posted January 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2019 18 minutes ago, Chen G. said: And of course, when a movie sucks, it drags the score down with it. But the Prequels scores are great...! crlbrg, The Illustrious Jerry, SteveMc and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,137 Posted January 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chen G. said: They're intristically connected, and even on album, the score is little more than a souvenir of the film. I'd say some scores do stand on their own as purely musical experiences. Will, crlbrg and The Illustrious Jerry 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted January 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chen G. said: You know my outlook on scoring in general, which is that you cannot seperate your impression of the film from that of the music. They're intristically connected, and even on album, the score is little more than a souvenir of the film. If a film is great, it make a good score (Braveheart) seem better than it is on its own right. If a film isn't terribly good, it can make the score seem worst than it really is (Attack of the Clones). Smaug The Iron, The Illustrious Jerry, Chen G. and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,984 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Score said: But the Prequels scores are great...! I didn't say it dooms the score, but it often taints one's enjoyment of it slightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 There may have been times when I've experienced that feeling @Chen G.although it's never stopped me from enjoying the score removed from the contextual shackles of the film. In my experience of Attack of the Clones, it's the score that actually boosts my enjoyment of the film and separate from it because clearly Williams conveyed a greater understanding of the characters and story than Lucas did. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,137 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 34 minutes ago, Chen G. said: And of course, when a movie sucks, it drags the score down with it. As is the case with all Star Trek films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Chen G. said: you cannot seperate your impression of the film from that of the music. You can. You approach the music as music first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,362 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Chen G. said: You know my outlook on scoring in general, which is that you cannot seperate your impression of the film from that of the music. They're intristically connected, and even on album, the score is little more than a souvenir of the film. If a film is great, it make a good score (Braveheart) seem better than it is on its own right. If a film isn't terribly good, it can make the score seem worst than it really is (Attack of the Clones) on its own right. Should episode IX be ho-hum (which I of course hope it isn't) that'll undoubtedly affect one's impression of the score. Completely agree. I find myself refusing to listen to or buy Wyatt Earp because I keep being rmeinded about that boring movie, while I immediately bought Home Alone, even though I don't like every cue, because the movie was so amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 So the two of you never listen to scores of films you haven't seen? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,441 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I'll never see all those crappy movies Goldsmith scored with scores I love Once and Cerebral Cortex 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,137 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Arpy said: The one with the blue people who shoot arrows? Or the one with the kid with a blue arrow on his head? Haven't seen any of those! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Most scores I've heard have been to movies I have not seen. Many, I intend to keep that way. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,984 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 To me, the whole point of an album of a score - particularly one based on recurring themes - is that it is a souvenir of the film. When I listen to a piece, it conjures up images of the film, and listening to the piece as a whole one can experience the film is one's own mind, which is quite the experience. Obviously, therefore, the effectiveness of the album depends to no small degree on how good the images it conjures up are. Therefore, the impression of the film crosses over into the impression of the album, inevitably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 So you never listen to a score you haven't seen the film off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,984 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 No. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 So you're a film fan rather than a soundtrack fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,984 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Kinda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,362 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 59 minutes ago, Stefancos said: So you never listen to a score you haven't seen the film off? Not anymore. I used to have Patrick Doyle's entire discography, but just couldn't enjoy the music the same way I enjoyed music of which I knew the story. I need/want context to really enjoy a score. The Doyle albums are gone now and I haven't ever missed a single one. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Another movie-rather-than-music fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,547 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I usually try to watch the film for context after a handful of listens, if it's rated well enough - and I haven't delved into scores for stinkers much yet. But Memoirs of a Geisha is one instance where I absolutely don't feel like watching it could add to the experience I had listening to the OST. When it's both a film and score I love dearly, however, finding out exactly which bars, textures and theme statements underscore exactly what onscreen, and even explore early intentions the same way is usually definitely half the fun of the whole thing! In the case of Alien, on the other hand, it was changed/butchered enough in film that I can divorce the Intrada main program into Jerry Goldsmith's Alien: a symphonic suite for specially extended orchestra inspired by the hit motion picture, not a 1:1 copy of the film as is the case with something like HP1 or Star Wars. The Illustrious Jerry and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,137 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Not anymore. I used to have Patrick Doyle's entire discography, but just couldn't enjoy the music the same way I enjoyed music of which I knew the story. I need/want context to really enjoy a score. The Doyle albums are gone now and I haven't ever missed a single one. Why didn't you watch the films that Doyle's scores belong in? 2 minutes ago, Holko said: I usually try to watch the film for context after a handful of listens, if it's rated well enough - and I haven't delved into scores for stinkers much yet. But Memoirs of a Geisha is one instance where I absolutely don't feel like watching it could add to the experience I had listening to the OST. It's a decent film. Way better than Avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,366 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 9 hours ago, mrbellamy said: The main thing is that Williams will probably have to write more often with IX than I’m guessing he did for TFA and TLJ, where I think the longer schedules must have afforded him plenty of time off. I feel like the luxury of the schedules would be that he had extra time to not write, or to work on other things. Didn’t he do BFG in just a few months like always? He knows the drill. He’s already cutting conducting dates this year, which may or may not be related. If he really wants to do it, he’ll do it. I haven't heard anything about him conducting in 2019, let alone canceling. Had any concerts already been confirmed for this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Tanglewood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,362 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 25 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Why didn't you watch the films that Doyle's scores belong in? It's a decent film. Way better than Avatar. Because my Doyle phase took place during the dark days before I could access any movie I wanted to watch with audio description. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,237 Posted January 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Chen G. said: To me, the whole point of an album of a score - particularly one based on recurring themes - is that it is a souvenir of the film. Then why do you post on a John Williams forum? Do you only watch films scored by John Williams? Do you listen to non-film music? If so, why? The Illustrious Jerry, Kasey Kockroach and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Stefancos said: Are you kidding? TESB was written in a few weeks. A few months for a score is actually very generous, scheduling wise. Also, considering what happened to Solo its extremely unlikely they will push Ep 9 to spring or summer. Williams was also nearly 40 years younger as well when he wrote TESB. I was under the impression he was requiring more time to write/record SW scores nowadays. I mean, he started working on TLJ at least a year before it was released. With IX, he'll have at least 6 months to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 He didn't work on TFA and TLJ for a year non-stop. JW scored the film in sections, and did loads of revisions as the film edit progressed. 6 months for a single film is still a hell of a lot of time Chen G. and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,137 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 1/17/2019 at 6:16 AM, Stefancos said: Also, considering what happened to Solo its extremely unlikely they will push Ep 9 to spring or summer. I don't think the release date of Solo was the greatest cause of its subpar reception. The production should have been given more time, and Disney's marketing team should have shown a little more faith. Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,362 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 How did JW write TESB in a few weeks without today's technology? crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,237 Posted January 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: How did JW write TESB in a few weeks without today's technology? Jurassic Shark, Bayesian, Naïve Old Fart and 9 others 3 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,137 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 And orchestrators and copyists! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Because Johnny's a compositional genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Remco 685 Posted January 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2019 And working 10 hours a day! Nowadays, he likes to compose max. 6 a day (I think he said such in an interview). So he’d need a little more time for these films, but he still writes extremely fast. Once, crumbs, Will and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted January 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2019 'J.J. just called, we need the score in six months!' Williams: Kasey Kockroach, Will and crumbs 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,355 Posted January 18, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2019 JJ: "John, I need twenty six versions of 15m7 Finale! I want to hear Rey's Theme on every instrument before making my decision!" Williams: Will, DarthDementous, Kasey Kockroach and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kasey Kockroach 2,345 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 13 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Not anymore. I used to have Patrick Doyle's entire discography, but just couldn't enjoy the music the same way I enjoyed music of which I knew the story. I need/want context to really enjoy a score. The Doyle albums are gone now and I haven't ever missed a single one. I always just make up stories in my head when I listen to scores, even when they’re from movies I like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2019 I like to pretend that TFA ended a bit more like this. Here's hoping for a unique ending for episode IX Cerebral Cortex, DarthDementous, DolceMecha and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, Docteur Qui said: I like to pretend that TFA ended a bit more like this. Here's hoping for a unique ending for episode IX That works surprisingly well. I hope to god Ep 9 doesn't end with yet another Binary Sunset rendition. DarthDementous and Docteur Qui 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,355 Posted January 23, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2019 Wow that does work very well! Almost makes me wonder if John ever recorded an alternate ending which was indeed Rey's Theme. I'll be very disappointed if IX again ends with Binary Sunset (TFA was the real missed opportunity, and it was unnecessary in TLJ considering its use ten minutes prior for Luke's death!) but I think we all know it's inevitable. Rey's Theme is just wonderful, it works beautifully in that slower, more sombre tone. Once, Evanus and Docteur Qui 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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