blondheim 1,157 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Building a compilation of pirate music for some close friends. Specific tracks or cues would be helpful, even if the whole score is relevant. I am curious what everyone's suggestions would be, even with the obvious scores that will certainly be trod out. I am going to anchor this mixtape with The Ultimate War and the Prometheus version of the finale of Cutthroat Island. They make nice almost twenty-minute pirate battle brother suites. I did another compilation years ago for friends unfamiliar with film music and anchored it with two Williams alien encounters: Adventures on Earth and the Special Edition of the Close Encounters. So this is sort of a throwback to that. I am looking for stuff to fill those two bookends with. Sincere thanks in advance Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 How about the aptly-titled "Pirates!" from The Pagemaster, by Horner? Some Korngold (Sea Hawk?) might do nicely as well. blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,893 Posted September 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2020 Sure, Squid-Board has some good selections of pirated music! (Just kidding ) Treasure Planet is a good one; has both pirate music and scifi music together, really good score. blondheim, Edmilson, Tydirium and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted September 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2020 In the interest of providing some tracks outside the usual, Two Steps, while not film music composers, make a habit of usually having one pirate pun track per album and they're all usually bangers. Spoiler You also have McCreary's theme to Black Sails. And since you mentioned Cutthroat Island, Debney recently brought back his pirate sensibilities for the latest SpongeBob movie to fun effect: And then I'll end by throwing in a little David Wise for good measure. Holko, Yavar Moradi and blondheim 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laserschwert 475 Posted September 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2020 The Main Theme to "Assassin's Creed: Black Flag" "The Scumm Bar" from "Escape from Monkey Island" Cerebral Cortex, blondheim and Romão 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,512 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 . blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted September 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2020 One of the best pirate scores EVER, original tracks never released but there’s this great re-recorded suite on Chandos: another absolute classic; Clifton Parker’s score for the very first live action Disney feature (again there’s a modern Chandos recording with over 20 min of the score): Not *exactly* a pirate movie, but another cracking seafaring score by the same composer over a decade later: Anne of the Indies by Waxman has some awesome stuff...for your compilation I’d use the Kunzel suite (which I can’t find online at the moment) but here’s the original recording: You should get this fine Kunzel album which in addition to a great sounding suite from Anne of the Indies also has other goodies like Waxman’s Captains Courageous and Bernstein’s The Buccaneer: https://www.discogs.com/Erich-Kunzel-Cincinnati-Pops-Orchestra-Masters-And-Commanders-Music-From-Seafaring-Classics/release/8869332 Some Captain Blood and The Sea Hawk by Korngold would also be good to include — maybe the Gerhardt recordings there. This is the one awesome cue I would absolutely prioritize including from the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise: I’ll come back if I think of more. Yavar Jurassic Shark, blondheim, Fabulin and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 I always thought of this as JW's take on yo ho ho piratey stuff Yavar Moradi and blondheim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted September 26, 2020 Author Share Posted September 26, 2020 19 minutes ago, Jay said: I always thought of this as JW's take on yo ho ho piratey stuff Other than the rest of the Ultimate War, this was my most wanted cue from Hook for a very long time. I was amazed it wasn't on the OST. It has such an impact in the film. It made this version of Neverland seem exciting, almost dangerous. Thanks for all the suggestions, guys! The more the merrier. I am making a playlist of everything I haven't heard now. I will get back to you when I have been able to hear it all. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Bonus track: Romão 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I did quite a bit of work for Pirates...here is an example. This is from Disneyland Kinect Adevntures which I was an orchestrator on. pirates_music_pirates_bnk_s_2.wav Cerebral Cortex and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 This always sounded extremely pirate-y to my ears blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, Muad'Dib said: This always sounded extremely pirate-y to my ears Thanks! I have always thought of Bruckner's 6th as sounding very pirate-y as well. Especially the Scherzo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I pirate all my music. What can I hook you up with? TheUlyssesian and blondheim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 11 hours ago, Muad'Dib said: This always sounded extremely pirate-y to my ears Nautical, rather (though a favourite of mine), which I deliberately avoided in my above list. But in this case I'd also add: blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,512 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 . Smaug The Iron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 That sounds nice enough, but it has neither the rousing energy nor the contrapuntal brilliance that make the Newman piece so wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,369 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 My biggest reference to pirate sound was always Peter Pan. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Phillipe Sarde's PIRATES is great, and so is E.L.P.'s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,454 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 The music for the Krusty Krab in SpongeBob is always very pirate-y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Also, this. Always pictured pirates to this particular part with the horns Also, I can totally picture a swordfight to this: Oomoog the Ecstatic and blondheim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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blondheim 1,157 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Muad'Dib said: Also, this. Always pictured pirates to this particular part with the horns Also, I can totally picture a swordfight to this: Scherzi are rather swashbuckling, aren't they The one in Bruckner's 5th has some pirate energy too Also, Szell is top-notch. Great choice of Beethoven conductor Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I've seen some decent recommendations in this thread. Horner, God yes. Williams? Sure. Yet, the only Pirates of the Caribbean references I've seen are Zimmer? Fuck that. Let's go back to Disneyland in the late 1960s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 6 hours ago, blondheim said: Also, Szell is top-notch. Great choice of Beethoven conductor Yeah! He's got the best studio 9th, and the best live 5th (on Orfeo). I'm surprised no-one's mentioned this one: blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Yeah! He's got the best studio 9th, and the best live 5th (on Orfeo). I'm surprised no-one's mentioned this one: The final movement of the 9th has never sounded as good as it does on that Cleveland. Theodore Shapiro doesn't get the credit he deserves. Plus, my friend loves his stuff. I was unaware of this, so thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, blondheim said: The final movement of the 9th has never sounded as good as it does on that Cleveland. Oh, and he also has the best mono studio 5th! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Oh, and he also has the best mono studio 5th! May I have more information about the two 5ths you've mentioned? Live Orfeo and...? I only have his studio Cleveland atm (I love a comparative listen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Szell/Cleveland mono studio (Sony): It may sound better here: https://open.spotify.com/album/2RBtET6evfJHQHZJPL6D9G?si=iT5YO-j6Shee7AY6AJ2GdQ Szell/BPO live stereo (Orfeo): Of course, there's also a fine 5th with the Concertgebouw (Philips): And, for the sake of completeness, here's his stereo studio recording with the Clevelanders: blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 What do you prefer about the mono 5th over the stereo 5th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 The final minutes of the first movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Szell's is probably my favourite recording of Beethoven's 9th. 18 hours ago, blondheim said: The one in Bruckner's 5th has some pirate energy too I've never heard anything that reminded me of pirates in any of Bruckner's music. Not even anything really nautical (no wonder, I suppose the main body of water throughout most of Bruckner's life was the Danbue), though the Scherzo of the 8th has a wonderfully "wavy" touch in Karajan's last recording of it. His *intentionally* most sea-inspired work must be Helgoland: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Pirate music? I suppose pretty much any leaked recording sessions count, right? Right? Seriously though, it looks like other covered most important things already. Karol Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 All right since we’re going classical, I’ve always thought the opening of this work by Bizet sounded particularly pirate-y: (music starts 25 sec in) This is music for a theatrical play (so very much a predecessor of the film score) but alas not music actually about pirates. Yavar blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 On 9/26/2020 at 10:17 PM, blondheim said: Building a compilation of pirate music for some close friends. These "friends" aren't you, by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 27 minutes ago, crocodile said: Pirate music? I suppose pretty much any leaked recording sessions count, right? Right? You're the crocodile, not the shark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I don't seek out pirated material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: Szell's is probably my favourite recording of Beethoven's 9th. I've never heard anything that reminded me of pirates in any of Bruckner's music. Not even anything really nautical (no wonder, I suppose the main body of water throughout most of Bruckner's life was the Danbue), though the Scherzo of the 8th has a wonderfully "wavy" touch in Karajan's last recording of it. His *intentionally* most sea-inspired work must be Helgoland: Likewise with Szell's 9th. I am curious what nautical sounds like to you. I can't think of any particular chord or structure that is officially nautical. I used the adjective swashbuckling because if I close my eyes while listening to those two Bruckner scherzi (5 and 6) I can almost see pirates swinging on rigging or hopping from one boat to another. The first movement of the 6th could also easily be a ship appearing out of the mist a la the Moby Dick sequence of The Pagemaster. At least to me, I like to associate music with my own personal images, colors, feelings. Some recordings even imply narratives to me, in their own way. That is just how I experience music. It doesn't have to officially be anything in order for me to associate it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, blondheim said: Likewise with Szell's 9th. Of course it's the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: Of course it's the best. Those Cleveland flutes The way he never forgets the mid-range instruments Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Impeccable timing from all parties! blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Not at all CutThroat Island level, but here are a couple other good 90s pirate scores to represent: https://youtu.be/v-pz17PBs_s And this for my money is far superior pirate music from Zimmer than most of his Pirates of the Caribbean work (Up Is Down maybe being an exception but I heard one of his assistant composers wrote that): Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,235 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 John Addison's score for Swashbuckler is a good one. As well as the main theme here, there is a fine suite on a Chandos compilation of the composer's music which includes the love theme. Although Jock Addison had a very distinctive, slightly whimsical orchestral style, this score sounds quite Goldsmithian in places. blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 55 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: Not at all CutThroat Island level, but here are a couple other good 90s pirate scores to represent: https://youtu.be/v-pz17PBs_s And this for my money is far superior pirate music from Zimmer than most of his Pirates of the Caribbean work (Up Is Down maybe being an exception but I heard one of his assistant composers wrote that): Yavar This score is near and dear to me Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 6 hours ago, blondheim said: I am curious what nautical sounds like to you. I can't think of any particular chord or structure that is officially nautical. I used the adjective swashbuckling because if I close my eyes while listening to those two Bruckner scherzi (5 and 6) I can almost see pirates swinging on rigging or hopping from one boat to another. (Sidenode: "Nautical" wasn't the right term for Helgoland, but it certainly deliberately depicts a stormy sea) "Nautical" (not necessarily but) often has a very British connotation in my mind (something that Setting Sail from Cutthroat Island mimics well). "Swashbuckling" is very much defined by the Korngold sound. Richard Strauss has done things in that vein on occasion. Bruckner feels too structured, planned through to me for anything that I would consider an "action scene". Some of his music fits astronomy well (I once saw a trailer for some BBC astronomy programme that used the coda from the 8th to great effect). Astronomy can have a nautical connotation (just watch the opening of Carl Sagan's Cosmos), but not with Bruckner I think. I generally rarely see images with music unless possibly when I'm aware that the music is meant to depict something specific. I also don't see colours (I suppose I'm entirely un-synesthetic). I do sometimes "see" moods, or a specific atmosphere, and Bruckner above all is for me very clear in that regard. Or perhaps his music is so "architectural" that the musical construction itself conjures up something tangible in my mind. For the opening of the 6th (one of my favourites) however, I mostly "see" rhythm and counterpoint (and for the finale, an organ). It's perhaps one of his most mathematical works. I've long considered Bruckner the origin of Philip Glass style minimalism. Going back to nautical/sea music, both Moby Dicks are relevant as well: That last one might just pass as pirate music, too. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 I present to you a modern, Norwegian classic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Edmilson 7,454 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 On 28/09/2020 at 5:24 PM, Yavar Moradi said: (Up Is Down maybe being an exception but I heard one of his assistant composers wrote that) Really? Is it true that Zimmer didn't write Up is Down, which is one of the very best cues in the At World's End OST? You have no idea how disappointing this is to me Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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