Jay 37,367 Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 I can't remember, did Silvestri use Giacchino's Strange theme in his Avengers scores? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: I vsnt remember, did Silvestri use Giacchino's Strange theme in his Avengers scores? Just going off memory, he didn't use the actual theme but did evoke the tone of the theme by using Asian instrumentation to sound "mystical." Some one correct me if I'm wrong! Like here: Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 I think there may have been one quotation. But could be what you posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: I vsnt remember, did Silvestri use Giacchino's Strange theme in his Avengers scores? In Endgame Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: In Endgame Is it on the digital OST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 42 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Is it on the digital OST? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 17 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: No Confirmed! Very briefly when it cuts to the Ancient One on the roof of the Sanctum during the Battle of New York, when Hulk shows up to get the Time Stone from her. Funny that the only time Silvestri used the theme is for a scene without Dr. Strange in it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Once 605 Posted November 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Jay said: Man I somehow hadn't thought about how Giacchino will be able to return to his own Dr Strange material in this score. And then Elfman may or may not use it in Dr Strange 2 in March! He will! Quote “We’ll definitely refer to his original theme, and I’ll no doubt be coming up with new motifs for new situations and characters. I’m not going to ignore it. I don’t believe in that. There’s this weird thought process in Hollywood every time you do something new that you’ve got to let the original musical themes go and start fresh. I think that doesn’t serve an audience well. So I like doing variations on a theme that I know for a character that an audience already associates with them. I think that’s important. When I did Avengers: Age of Ultron, I was very careful to find places to play around with Alan Silvestri’s theme. And I enjoyed it.” blondheim, Drawgoon, Disco Stu and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 Awesome! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2021 Oh man, if Elfman is able to do something for Gia's theme that's as cool as what he did for Silvestri's..... I will be a very happy listener. Cerebral Cortex, Brónach, Once and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 13 hours ago, Arpy said: In one way I'm kind of hoping he doesn't reference the older themes too heavily without first hearing what he might come up with. There would be heavy backlash if he dropped the old Raimi themes (and for good reason) bored 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: There would be heavy backlash* if he dropped the old Raimi themes (and for good reason) *among a very small niche of a niche of a niche of an audience (not saying he should drop it, just that most people wouldn't care) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 9 hours ago, Romão said: I am honestly baffled that people keep bringing up Rogue One as a good example of Giacchino's ability to properly integrate themes by other composers... Rogue One shouldn't be held as a positive example for anything, except for "how to make horrible variations of classic themes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blondheim 1,157 Posted November 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2021 *sitting over here loving Rogue One* saulocf, Dr. Rick, TSMefford and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post saulocf 79 Posted November 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, blondheim said: *sitting over here loving Rogue One* You're not alone shad79, blondheim, TSMefford and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Rogue One was a rush job by all accounts. It's not as good as it could've/should've been, but considering Giacchino had all of four weeks to write, orchestrate and record the thing it also could've been far worse. Quote “We’ll definitely refer to his original theme, and I’ll no doubt be coming up with new motifs for new situations and characters. I’m not going to ignore it. I don’t believe in that. There’s this weird thought process in Hollywood every time you do something new that you’ve got to let the original musical themes go and start fresh. I think that doesn’t serve an audience well. So I like doing variations on a theme that I know for a character that an audience already associates with them. I think that’s important. When I did Avengers: Age of Ultron, I was very careful to find places to play around with Alan Silvestri’s theme. And I enjoyed it.” I love this quote. Elfman's right, too many composers over the years have discarded perfectly good themes by other composers when writing sequel/franchise scores. Although ironically Williams is among the worst culprits of this, throwing away much of his own great music whenever he does sequels. blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bored 309 Posted November 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: *among a very small niche of a niche of a niche of an audience Don't know about that. Those Elfman Spider-Man scores are a lot more iconic than many think. Almost anyone would notice if the theme comes back when/if Tobey does. Once, Edmilson, Not Mr. Big and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted November 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2021 Personally I'm hoping we hear "Hero" by Nickelback. Those early 00's soundtrack albums was where all the real music was at, none of this boring classical stuff! Holko, Not Mr. Big, Disco Stu and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 Funnily enough, that's not a Nickelback song! It's a collaboration between Nickelback's lead singer and some other dudes Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdown 238 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 12 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Just going off memory, he didn't use the actual theme but did evoke the tone of the theme by using Asian instrumentation to sound "mystical." Some one correct me if I'm wrong! Like here: This is another good example of that imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 38 minutes ago, Lockdown said: This is another good example of that imo. Definitely, and using the harpsichord just like Giacchino too. I feel like if he's making a point of using the same distinct instrumentation as Gia, why not just quote the theme there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Silvestri seems like such a humble and down to Earth guy. I almost get the impression, though with no proof to really found it, that Silvestri feels kinda sheepish about playing with themes others have written. I think he likes to pay respect to them if possible, like with the stylistic references to Strange's score like you guys mentioned above, but he doesn't feel right playing around with a musical idea somebody else came up with out of a respect for that original composer. That's why you get tracked in cues of all those themes in Endgame that are directly lifted from previous scores and not new interpretations by him. blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Cerebral Cortex said: Silvestri seems like such a humble and down to Earth guy. I almost get the impression, though with no proof to really found it, that Silvestri feels kinda sheepish about playing with themes others have written. I think he likes to pay respect to them if possible, like with the stylistic references to Strange's score like you guys mentioned above, but he doesn't feel right playing around with a musical idea somebody else came up with out of a respect for that original composer. That's why you get tracked in cues of all those themes in Endgame that are directly lifted from previous scores and not new interpretations by him. Awwww Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 I think he doesn’t use the themes because he hates them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, mstrox said: I think he doesn’t use the themes because he hates them. blondheim and mstrox 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 I just want this. I don’t care who is in it or not. IMG_1125.MP4 Not Mr. Big and bored 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 If you set unreasonable expectations you're bound to be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: If you set unreasonable expectations you're bound to be disappointed. This is basically the MCU for me. The marketing, special effects, continuity should make for fantastic films, but the reality is they are all 7/8 out of 10 at best. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 33 minutes ago, Alex said: This is basically the MCU for me. The marketing, special effects, continuity should make for fantastic films, but the reality is they are all 7/8 out of 10 at best. Even when they try go to into new places, there's almost always that inescapable "MCU sheen". Like eating store-brand cereal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 31 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: Even when they try go to into new places, there's almost always that inescapable "MCU sheen". Like eating store-brand cereal More like Mr. Big Bucks, over here buying name brand cereal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Happy Thanksgiving! This poster for Spider-Man: No Way Home is by far the best one; this should be the definitive poster. I like that it has kind of a Drew Struzan inspired look to it. Spider-Man_No_Way_Home_JP_Poster.jp2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted November 25, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2021 Still can’t get over that godawful “Scooby Doo” line in the latest trailer. Poor Cumberbatch. A. A. Ron, Edmilson and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 It will all be worth it if they reference Scooby Doo and the 13 Ghosts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 On 18/11/2021 at 11:49 AM, Romão said: I am honestly baffled that people keep bringing up Rogue One as a good example of Giacchino's ability to properly integrate themes by other composers... I like the Rogue One score for sure, but I definitely agree. He's integrated other composers' themes far better in different projects. I would say he did it much better in Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom. Rogue One definitely fell short of that mark by a considerable margin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 19 hours ago, Docteur Qui said: Still can’t get over that godawful “Scooby Doo” line in the latest trailer. Poor Cumberbatch. It's an awful line indeed. And I doubt the children who'll watch this movie will even understand that since Scooby isn't exactly famous since the last decade. Let's hope he'll have better dialogue in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Edmilson said: It's an awful line indeed. And I doubt the children who'll watch this movie will even understand that since Scooby isn't exactly famous since the last decade. Let's hope he'll have better dialogue in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Hopefully it'll make more sense in context. Sounds like a callback joke to me, like they referenced it earlier and he's calling back to it. Not my favorite line either though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Edmilson is underestimating the popularity of the Scoob. My kids eat that shit up. It's very popular on Netflix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Really? I didn't knew it was still popular. AFAIK, the last time Scooby was a thing was in the 90s/early 2000s, when we got the live action movies, some new shows and a lot of direct-to-DVD cartoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 Every generation gets the Scooby Doo it deserves, but not necessarily the one it needs. TSMefford and Docteur Qui 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 My five year old also loves Scooby Doo. She watches the old series on HBO Max and every once in a while we’ll put on one of those DTV movies, which are actually usually better than they have any right to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 The old cartoons on HBO Max are where it's at. If I had kids, I would make them watch it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 3 hours ago, mstrox said: My five year old also loves Scooby Doo. She watches the old series on HBO Max and every once in a while we’ll put on one of those DTV movies, which are actually usually better than they have any right to be. I remember that Scooby-Doo at the Zombie Island was pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted November 26, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2021 Doc Ock: "Doctor Otto Octavius" *kids laugh* Fuck the MCU for turning one of the best superhero films and villains into a bad joke. crumbs, Holko, Not Mr. Big and 5 others 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 That's the MCU we know and hate love: always making jokes even at the most dramatic events. Don't you remember the awful "do you wanted more?" line in the Portals scene from Endgame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HunterTech 994 Posted November 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Arpy said: Doc Ock: "Doctor Otto Octavius" *kids laugh* Fuck the MCU for turning one of the best superhero films and villains into a bad joke. This was the moment where my skepticism on the whole film became justified. It doesn't even make any sense, given Peter would've already lived through a world where such a name wouldn't even be that weird. The fact IW did a similar thing doesn't help, except at least there Peter decided to merely correct himself instead of outright mocking Dr. Steven Strange for his name. It's a testament to how much more classy the original Raimi films were, when JJ reacts to inherent silliness of the character in a much more subdued and earnest fashion ("Guy named Otto Octavius winds up with eight limbs. Four mechanical arms welded right onto his body. What are the odds?"). Of course, you couldn't convince the MCU shills that there's any difference in the approach, and would rather we shut up about these sorts of things. Spoiler I do hope the suggestion that this actually is supposed to be in response to one of the other Spider-Men is true, since Otto more appears like he's looking elsewhere than right at the kids. Then it'd at least make more sense that their response is like that, given everyone else they encountered wouldn't have equivalents in the MCU yet. Besides, it'd be a pretty dickish thing to do if he's actually supposed to help the heroes like has been rumored. 49 minutes ago, Edmilson said: That's the MCU we know and hate love: always making jokes even at the most dramatic events. Don't you remember the awful "do you wanted more?" line in the Portals scene from Endgame? Despite what I just wrote though, I am going to be a bit more defensive here, since I think the real issue is that there isn't an actual consistency when it comes to dictating the exact tone each film has. In particular, I more blame key creatives like Whedon, Waititi, and the Sony people for more pushing the comedic edge too far in certain cases. You still have plenty of films and scenes where key moments are allowed to play out as seriously as they need to be. I just think that certain installments end up sticking out too much to where people just assume that's every single MCU movie, when that isn't quite the case. Then again, subjectivity is at play of course, since I never thought much of that Endgame example myself, when films like Ragnarok kind of bank on scene stopping humor to carry the movie. Tiburon, TSMefford and Not Mr. Big 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Arpy said: Doc Ock: "Doctor Otto Octavius" *kids laugh* Fuck the MCU for turning one of the best superhero films and villains into a bad joke. I wouldn't be too concerned about it. Marvel has a large history of altering their trailers. And rumor has it... Spoiler That this scene will have another Peter Parker on the other end of it. The kids laugh because he says his name is Peter Parker and ask him what he actual name is. No idea if the rumor is true, but the scene is horrendously edited in every piece of marketing material it's appeared and could very easily be altered. Lol didn't read @HunterTech's post all the way through first oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 12 hours ago, Arpy said: Doc Ock: "Doctor Otto Octavius" *kids laugh* Fuck the MCU for turning one of the best superhero films and villains into a bad joke. I thought this too, but if you look closer it appears they’re actually in a different room. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Then... Fuck trailers for false advertising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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