Jay 37,373 Posted August 20, 2021 Author Share Posted August 20, 2021 4 hours ago, mahler3 said: a longer edit of the Star Trek 2 segment will be in next month’s FSM Online Great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,141 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 On 8/19/2021 at 3:28 AM, NL197 said: Funny...I just did it with my file: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Tty9HdxhLNBgyHYqD3f2IiOMDlKpPgCa/view?usp=sharing I "potted" mine to work with the dialogue, though. Just wanted to chime in and say thank you for sharing. It's quite lovely, and both the mock up and reinsertion into the film are beautifully done. Too bad it was never recorded, but I can see why they didn't use it. The scene it is setting up is one of mystery and foreboding, not swashbuckling adventure. Although, you could argue that with it, it intensifies the "surprise" of Ceti Alpha V, if the audience is conditioned by the music to expect a happy Starfleet adventure. Either way, magnificent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 On 8/17/2021 at 5:11 PM, karelm said: Damn it, I mocked Bespin in another thread for buying Krull over and over and here I am buying various remastered TWOK. So I just bought this...again! Such a wonderful score. PS, @Bespin, I'm selling my old remastered TWOK for $500. I'm with @Bespin, I'd still keep buying new releases of Krull... the best of Horner's Star Trek scores. karelm and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 20, 2021 Author Share Posted August 20, 2021 Huh. For around a decade, whenever I ordered titles from LLL immediately when they went on sale on a Tuesday, they'll always be in my mailbox by that Friday. This time my tracking # says I won't have it until next Tuesday. Times (and the USPS) have changed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 324 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 I have the same ETA. They received the package physically today, and will arrive on Tuesday. I guess it's being shipped by the same people behind the Enterprise B Tractor Beam equipment. StarFox and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Mail in general has been awful. I used to get Tuesday Intrada releases east coast by Thursday, now they come Saturday and LLL takes about a week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,401 Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 I got Eiger by Friday. Ah well, if this is the worst thing that happens to me I live a charmed life. EDIT: Mine says Tuesday as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 I thought I ordered mine early enough but it appears I missed the boat, so to speak. On a related note it looks like I snagged one of the last Extreme Prejudice of the first batch Intrada had. *****edit**** I got my shipping notice today after I posted this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Shipped! Hopefully I'll have it by this time next week. Heavy couple of weeks for me with this, Schindler's List, Eiger, The River and Monsignor. Going to need bigger shelves soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Mine's still awaiting fulfillment. Guess I ordered too late in the day. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,210 Posted August 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Ollie said: I thought I ordered mine early enough but it appears I missed the boat, so to speak. Like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target. Yavar Moradi, Ollie, Manakin Skywalker and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Alan said: Shipped! Hopefully I'll have it by this time next week. Heavy couple of weeks for me with this, Schindler's List, Eiger, The River and Monsignor. Going to need bigger shelves soon! Get a boat, then when you get too many CD's, you're "gonna need a bigger boat" Alan and OneBuckFilms 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 324 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Looks like mine is out of delivery. A day earlier than estimated. Cannot wait to revisit this one. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share Posted August 23, 2021 Yep mine's being delivered today as well Tallguy and OneBuckFilms 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Has anyone who ordered the set the day *after* the announcement gotten a shipping notification? I ordered mine on the release date but closer to nighttime and still nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted August 23, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 23, 2021 Nice post in the FSM thread: Quote I just compared a couple tracks from FSM with the LLL edition in Adobe Audition. The big difference is the dynamic. It's day and night. It's like FSM kind of boosted all the levels and limited the peaks. Which resulted in a constant under-layer of noise. The most striking difference is showing with quieter tracks like "Spock". The listening experience is vastly improved. LLL's mix doesn't contain any noticeable noise and sounds much more contemporary. Almost like it was recorded in recent years. airmanjerm, OneBuckFilms, Bespin and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 324 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 I've been listening to this set for a little while, and there is a significant improvement in sound quality, detail and depth with this release. I did not expect the improvement to be this huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share Posted August 23, 2021 I'm leaving work now to go home and get mine out of the mailbox! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 7 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Has anyone who ordered the set the day *after* the announcement gotten a shipping notification? I ordered mine on the release date but closer to nighttime and still nothing. I ordered mine only two hours after it went on sale and only received a notice that my order was awaiting shipment several days ago. No shipment notification. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share Posted August 23, 2021 It's here! OneBuckFilms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Good LORD. The difference in the clarity of the strings alone is absolutely revelatory. OneBuckFilms and Yavar Moradi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 24, 2021 Author Share Posted August 24, 2021 Yea the strings were what I instantly noticed when playing the first sample OneBuckFilms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 It's so funny, I really cannot hear the difference you guys are noticing. It's still light-years better than the OST but the strings sound similar to the FSM release to me. Oh well, I'm happy for your ears...and my wallet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted August 24, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2021 Well I heard from the start of the album through He Tasks Me this morning on the way to work. I swear it took me half my commute just to get the shrinkwrap off... What a fun ride home I'll have tonight listening to Surprise Attack to the end! Woo! The new sound quality is great. The new stereo field is wonderful. Just listen to "Spock" and hear the plucked strings in the left and sometimes in the right. Good stuff Yavar Moradi, OneBuckFilms and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 I really want this now, but I'm going to wait until A.I. is back in stock/fixed, and order both. Glad this release (like pretty much all the Treks) has so many copies. OneBuckFilms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Got this yesterday too. I'd say the sonic upgrade is pretty comparable to the one we got with Superman going from the FSM to the LLL set. In both cases, the FSM was very good, definitely better than what we had before and yet the LLL versions are warmer. I think this may say just as much about Mike Matessino's current mastering preferences as it does about the improved source elements. Still, the finished result sounds great and the added compression let's me hear more detail while listening the car, etc. Very glad to finally and legitimately own the narration-free Epilogue. Now I just have to sell the FSM version. OneBuckFilms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,603 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 1 hour ago, A. A. Ron said: Now I just have to sell the FSM version. Don't care about the unique Jeff Bond liner notes and track-by-track? I'll definitely be keeping mine for those... Yavar bruce marshall and OneBuckFilms 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 324 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 I know it wasn't addressed to me, but I did the same thing in terms of selling my FSM release. You know, because it's fun to share views. I greatly enjoyed Jeff's liner notes, however I got $20 from a used CD store for my FSM release to offset the cost of the upgrade. I have a personal policy to have 1 version of any score on my shelf, and for the most part, the best version available of a score. I keep prior releases if they have something significant musically, or if it is signed. For me it is always about he music. I don't always read the liner notes, and usually I read them only once when I get a release when I do. I'd be curious if anyone else here has any kind of "policy" or practice like this regarding what is kept vs. what is sold. Might need a new thread for that one ... Yavar Moradi and A. A. Ron 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,603 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Oh, I'm usually in the same boat and try to just keep one version of a score unless there's a good reason not to. I guess when it comes to Star Trek expansions it's particularly important for me to have the full set of Jeff Bond liner notes for all of them (he did all of the original ten films' expansions, I believe), as sort of an updated supplement to his excellent (but in need of a second edition) book, The Music of Star Trek. Yavar Tom Guernsey and OneBuckFilms 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 @OneBuckFilms I’m the same way. Unless it’s a unique album I get rid of the previous version. OneBuckFilms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 In this case I have scans of all the liner notes and it’s not like I ever play CDs after I rip them. The FSM sat proudly on my shelf for nearly 10 years and now, well I’m sure there’s probably someone else out there who’d love to have it. OneBuckFilms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 StarShipped! OneBuckFilms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 OP $29.99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Got mine today, first thing I did in iTunes was take the two separated cues, “The Eels…” and “Kirk in Space Shuttle” and move them to the main program. 😁 The sound is improved, much more separation and clarity in the cues. bruce marshall, Yavar Moradi and OneBuckFilms 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 324 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 I used the Discreet cues in my digital rip also. I can simply play the CD as-is and it works great, but I prefer to have them as separate cues. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 I listened to this last night/ this morning. Sounds great! My buddy who's a big Trek fan came over last night with his FSM CD so we could compare. On this new release, there is more separation of the instrument details, the sound has a more crisp edge to it, and more warmth. The soundstage feels wider and I feel like I can hear the room the musicians are sitting in better. As it was described earlier, sounds more like it was recorded in recent times, and the difference is comparable to the LLL Superman vs the Blue Box for sound quality. OneBuckFilms and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted August 25, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2021 Yesterday on my lunch break, I read the liner notes by Deniz Cordell - wow! They are fantastic! I had never heard of Deniz before last week, but after the Burden special and the liner notes, count me a fan. The way he goes through every theme, not just theme but musical idea that recurs throughout the score and explains how they work and where Horner uses them is immaculate. There's no need for track-by-track analysis the way he goes through everything! Then on my ride home from work last night, I finished the main program in the car. As great as the new sound quality was in the early cues I had heard that morning, there's even more to enjoy in the back half of the score. And boy, did listening after reading Cordell's notes really enhance my love for the score. I had never really noticed the sad, unfinished versions of Spock's theme towards the end of the score (like in Genesis Countdown) before, and numerous other little things. The new main program is just perfect! Removing "Genesis Project" from it is a great choice. Removing Spock's narration is a great choice. Everything sounds great and flows great. You can put this disc in, press play, and enjoy a great presentation of a great score with no issues. It's so wonderful. On my way to work this morning I heard most of the OST rebuilt on disc 2. This is one of the best album arrangements of all time I think, Horner really chose the right cues to present and the right order to present them in. I don't have any specific comments about the sound quality, except I don't think the stereo field sounded quite as wide, perhaps. Tonight, I'll finally hear the bonus tracks! MrJosh, OneBuckFilms, Edmilson and 4 others 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted August 26, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2021 Another nice aspect of the liner notes (and radio discussion) is that it put into words things I sort of subconciously knew about the score, but hadn't ever directly thought about before. Like the aforementioned sad, unfinished versions of Spock's Theme in Genesis Countdown and Amazing Grace. But also the winding, twisting nature of Khan's theme, how it can sort of endlessly loop through itself, perfectly encapsulating the inner turmoil of Khan. But what really cooked my noodle was realizing that the "danger motif" opening of Suprise Attack is not just a "variant" of Khan's theme, it's Khan's theme with the first 3 notes missing (so, its notes 4-7 of the theme). Can't believe I never realized that before. I'm definitely going to read through the booklet again before it goes on my shelf. I finished disc 2 last night, heard all the bonus tracks. After all this time, hearing "The Eels of Ceti Alpha V" with its full clean ending was kind of amusing - turns out we weren't really missing much of it with the "Kirk In Space Shuttle" overlap after all. The alternate take of Buried Alive is cool, might be more musically interesting than the used take The alternate Amazing Grace just sounded wrong to me! They were wise to go with the D version for the film, FSM CD, and LLL Main program. The E-Flat version just sounds... well, wrong is the only word my musically uneducated brain can use to describe it. Wild Orchestra is pretty cool to hear, I wish the used take (the one mixed into Battle In The Mutara Nebula on disc 1) was included in this track as well. Why not? The third Amazing Grace track uses the D version like the main program, but the bagpipes are digitally manipulated to no longer be playing in between D and E-flat. I'd have to listen again to see if I prefer this over the main program version or not. I actually realized when listening to this that what I personally would have ultimately preferred is a version of this track without the bagpipes at all, just the short Horner intro cue and full Horner outro cue nice and clean. Oh well. The "Edited End Title" from the old 45RPM single is nice to have for completion's sake, but not sure how often I'll listen to it. I guess it's the right track to put on a compilation of Horner's best themes or something. Overall great release. I'll listen to the main program a lot for the rest of my life. And the bonus tracks are all great to have. Holko, Tom Guernsey, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted August 26, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2021 OK so now that I listened to both discs all the way through as-is in my car with no distractions as my first listen, today I did more detailed comparisons between different versions of tracks 1-04 The Eels of Ceti Alpha V / Kirk In Space Shuttle vs 2-11 The Eels of Ceti Alpha V (Discrete) & 2-12 Kirk In Space Shuttle (Discrete) Basically, we already had the full ending of "The Eels of Ceti Alpha V". The beginning of "Kirk In Space Shuttle" only overlaps the very very end of it. It comes completely down to personal choice if you prefer this overlap for your custom playlist, or a bit of space in between. I think I have no strong opinion either way. 1-08 Kirk Takes Command / He Tasks Me vs 2-13 Kirk Takes Command (Proposed Album Take) I can see why Horner selected a different take than the one in the film to potentially going on the album; It isn't drastically different by any stretch of the imagination, but the performance has a bit more urgency to it, and just overall is a better one. "He Tasks Me" does not overlap the end of the film take at all, so you can completely separate them if you wish. So that's why no "He Tasks Me (Discrete)" track was needed for the bonus track section. 1-14 Buried Alive vs 2-14 Buried Alive (Alternate) So the difference here is very similar to the difference between "Petrified Colin" and "Petrified Colin (Alternate)" from Harry Potter 2: they're exactly the same until the very end, where the Alternate has a cool little extra ditty that was taceted out for the take that went into the film. (Of course in this case, each is a completely different take from the other while the Harry Potter track is the same assembly of takes until the very end). So my personal preference would be to replace the main program version with this version for my custom playlist. The cue is just more interesting with the extra music (the string pattern from "Khan's Pets" and "Brainwashed") left in! 1-16 Battle In The Mutara Nebula (Film Version) vs 2-07 Battle In The Mutara Nebula & 2-17 Wild Orchestra So we all know that the OST version on disc 2 contains the base cue as-recorded from 7:14-7:31, basically just a held note fading down to total silence before the full orchestra comes back as the Reliant appears on the viewscreen... and the Film Version mixes in Wild Orchestra take 168 over that timestamp, adding a sense of mystery to this passage. Some people prefer the track with this overlay, some prefer the silence. I think my ultimate preference is that it works better without; The total silence really makes the return of the orchestra that much more impactful. Well the "Wild Orchestra" track contains two different cues, the first from 0:00-0:46 I have no idea what it was intended for or where a good spot would be for it in a custom playlist. BUT! The second cue in the track, from 0:46-end, is another idea that could have been mixed over that "Battle In The Mutara Nebula" 7:14-7:31 spot (Take 169). I did just that, mixed it over that timestamp of the OST track, and it sounded awesome!!! In fact, I'd say it's by far my preferred version of the track; the low thumping bass sounds perfectly enhance the dread and uncertainty of the scene, and lead into the return of the full orchestra better than the film take does, and in my opinion better than the full silence version does. Very cool! The only problem is that the OST track of course comes from the 3M output rather than the pure analog output, so to actually create this mix in the best quality, you have to take the main program track, then replace the portion where take 168 is heard and carefully replace it with the OST track to get the overlay-free version, the mix take 169 over that. That might be beyond my skill level... 1-18 Genesis Countdown (Film Version) vs 2-08 Genesis Countdown I was curious what part of this album version used take 10 to cover up the noise heard on take 12, but even doing the trick of panning one version to the left and the other to the right and playing them in sync, I couldn't figure it out. Since the OST version comes from the 3M output and the main program the analog, there are numerous mixing differences that make it harder to find the performance difference. Maybe somebody else will figure it out, but I think it's clear the difference is negligible at best. 1-20 Amazing Grace vs 2-15 Amazing Grace (Alternate) & 2-18 Amazing Grace (Alternate Bagpipes) So the main program "Amazing Grace" and the "Alternate Bagpipes" are identical presentations of the D versions of the intro (take 166) and outro (take 162) cues, but the middle uses the film performance of the bagpipes (take 172) in the main program, and the bonus track version uses the same bagpipe performance, but digitally manipulated to be in tune with the orchestra. The interesting thing is that this manipulation causes the performance to take longer, so the outro cue starts later in the track. "Amazing Grace (Alternate)" however uses the E-Flat version of the intro (take 167) and outro (take 164) cues.... and the bagpipe performance in the middle is a completely different performance than the one used in the film, it's take 171 here. This is a slower performance than the used version, so the outro cue starts even later in the track. I think my preference is to just stick with the main program version. 1-21 Epilogue / End Title (Film Version) vs 2-09 Epilogue / End Title Of course the only difference with the "Epilogue" is the Spock narration. For the "End Title", the film version is take 145 all the way through while the album version briefly uses take 141 towards the end; Doing the panning trick, you can hear the difference starts around 8:27 or so; the album take is faster than the film take, causing the cue to end very slightly earlier there compared to the film version. The performance is so minorly different, no reason not to just stick with the main program version. airmanjerm, Trope, Yavar Moradi and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,531 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Hmmm. Just compared every track of the FSM to the LLL main program. In general one can notice an increased dynamic range and wider stereo field, also less overbrightening. Most tracks sound pretty much the same. Some tracks like Genesis Countdown and the credits are a definite massive improvement over a messy old downmix, some like Enterprise Clears Moorings are a little mixed for me - the brass is a massive improvement again, but the strings later, while overbrightened on the FSM, sound really underbrightened on the LLL to me. And I think the most important piece, Mutara Nebula, is actually a downgrade (in comparison, let me emphasise - it still sounds great, just weaker in aspects IMO)- the sound in general isn't changed much but the less prominent percussion and similar small differences make all the mood changes like the first big outburst less fun, and many of the violent snarly Khan cuts lose their bite, the track feels less heavily rhythmically driven so it's less fun to hear the material for the two sites go at each other over this less definite base. Shame about that one. I have the FSM so so far overall unfortunately this set doesn't end up being near top priority. I might get it one day and just switch out BitMN though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 324 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 I'm tempted to separate out Kirk Takes Command and He Tasks Me, and it's something to ponder. Going with the discreet cues was an easy personal preference for me, and keeping separate cues separate is the most desirable approach for me. I'm really loving this release, and to my ears, the score sounds as it should. It's a subtle upgrade from the FSM, but a good one, actually a little more than I expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 26, 2021 Author Share Posted August 26, 2021 "Discreet" means keeping quiet, as in "I discreetly entered the house after coming home after curfew" "Discrete" means separate, as in "the console has a discrete graphics chip" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Jay said: 1-16 Battle In The Mutara Nebula (Film Version) vs 2-07 Battle In The Mutara Nebula & 2-17 Wild Orchestra So we all know that the OST version on disc 2 contains the base cue as-recorded from 7:14-7:31, basically just a held note fading down to total silence before the full orchestra comes back as the Reliant appears on the viewscreen... and the Film Version mixes in Wild Orchestra take 168 over that timestamp, adding a sense of mystery to this passage. Some people prefer the track with this overlay, some prefer the silence. I think my ultimate preference is that it works better without; The total silence really makes the return of the orchestra that much more impactful. Well the "Wild Orchestra" track contains two different cues, the first from 0:00-0:46 I have no idea what it was intended for or where a good spot would be for it in a custom playlist. BUT! The second cue in the track, from 0:46-end, is another idea that could have been mixed over that "Battle In The Mutara Nebula" 7:14-7:31 spot (Take 169). I did just that, mixed it over that timestamp of the OST track, and it sounded awesome!!! In fact, I'd say it's by far my preferred version of the track; the low thumping bass sounds perfectly enhance the dread and uncertainty of the scene, and lead into the return of the full orchestra better than the film take does, and in my opinion better than the full silence version does. Very cool! The only problem is that the OST track of course comes from the 3M output rather than the pure analog output, so to actually create this mix in the best quality, you have to take the main program track, then replace the portion where take 168 is heard and carefully replace it with the OST track to get the overlay-free version, the mix take 169 over that. That might be beyond my skill level... Look for a DM soon... 58 minutes ago, Jay said: "Discreet" means keeping quiet, as in "I discreetly entered the house after coming home after curfew" "Discrete" means separate, as in "the console has a discrete graphics chip" Or discrete 5.1 mix, discrete 6.1 surround mix, etc. Keeping things discreet, I don't want anyone to know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 324 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 One thing I'm curious about is why the new source was not used to recreate the OST programme. Why go back to the FSM tapes? Going back to the original tapes, then getting the Spock dialog from the same digital source as before I would have thought to be relatively trivial. I can only guess that there is material in the OST programme that could not be found on the disc one tapes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Finally shipped after 10 full days. Oh well, I can wait... Alan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,401 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 @Jay whenever I've done lengthy write ups like you just did I often wonder if anyone cares. Dude, nice job. "I care!" 12 hours ago, Jay said: 1-18 Genesis Countdown (Film Version) vs 2-08 Genesis Countdown I was curious what part of this album version used take 10 to cover up the noise heard on take 12, but even doing the trick of panning one version to the left and the other to the right and playing them in sync, I couldn't figure it out. Since the OST version comes from the 3M output and the main program the analog, there are numerous mixing differences that make it harder to find the performance difference. Maybe somebody else will figure it out, but I think it's clear the difference is negligible at best. From another board from Mr. Bulk: Quote Tallguy: OK, Indysolo . I can't for the life of me tell the difference between the two Genesis Countdown tracks. Where is the alternate take again? Indysolo: You mean you can't tell the the album version is two frames shorter because of the insert? Do you have the GNP album? You can really hear the insert there. It's around 5 minutes in. My edit's a little more graceful. Tallguy: Wow. I was looking in the wrong place. Ok, if I'm REALLY looking for it I can hear where it is on the GNP. I can kind of see it in the waveform in a music editor but I can't hear it on your mix. I cannot hear the glitch in the film that caused the patch to begin with. I can hear where the edit it, but I cannot hear the difference between the takes. I often don't have the ear. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2021 Thanks for that! Yea, the difference is so negligible, it doesn't really matter at all. But it is of course great that the exact film version and album version are preserved with perfect editing Yavar Moradi, Tallguy and OneBuckFilms 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 My copy arrived today (along with LLL's Schindler's List) while I was at work. Came home to a note from the postman to say the package was in the dustbin (trash can) so I had to go bin diving to retrieve it...nice... Anyhoo, the sound is blowing my socks off! Listening to Surprise Attack as I type and it sounds incredible. Yavar Moradi and OneBuckFilms 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 27, 2021 Author Share Posted August 27, 2021 Why did he put your package in the dustbin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Probably thought it was the safest place for it if none of my neighbours were in to take delivery for me. Smeltington and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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