Holko 9,530 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 13 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: I love these Legacy Collections but it's a shame there are never instrumentals of the song. I would kill for high quality version of The Bells Of Notre Dame, Out There, God Help The Outcasts, Colors Of The Wind, Belle amd so on. Yes, I'd take those 100% over crappy synth demos, pop versions, random foreign language musical recordings... 13 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: Maybe it's only on the digital? This was recorded from Spotify. It is the digital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,968 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 I mean, that it might be different on the CD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,530 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Ah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 If so, it wouldn't be the first time a new score album launched on digital with mistakes that the physical CD version didn't have. When The Orville Season 2 was first uploaded to the digital streaming/sale sites, a few of the tracks got mixed around, but the track names were still in the right order, so music by one composer got credited to another, etc. The physical CDs by LLL were fine and I think all the digital sites eventually updated their files Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 I can only find the youtube recording myself right now, and I swear I hear a scratch in 'The Pillory' as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 30 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: Colors Of The Wind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Anybody bought the little mermaid recently? i dont think they would have corrected the finale…but just in case…anyone should check Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,287 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 37 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I used to own this album but now just can’t seem to find it anywhere. Was good as I recall! 1 hour ago, JNHFan2000 said: I love these Legacy Collections but it's a shame there are never instrumentals of the song. I would kill for high quality version of The Bells Of Notre Dame, Out There, God Help The Outcasts, Colors Of The Wind, Belle amd so on. A shame Something has to have gone wrong. Maybe it's only on the digital? The instrumentals thing is doubly annoying as many other more recent Disney musicals have had singalong albums which are basically the same thing. There’s one for Beauty and the Beast remake but I’d love one for the original and the other Menken animated classics. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 37 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: Anybody bought the little mermaid recently? i dont think they would have corrected the finale…but just in case…anyone should check What exactly was wrong with it in the final version, if the master NSB delivered was correct? How does something like that even happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,530 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: If so, it wouldn't be the first time a new score album launched on digital with mistakes that the physical CD version didn't have. When The Orville Season 2 was first uploaded to the digital streaming/sale sites, a few of the tracks got mixed around, but the track names were still in the right order, so music by one composer got credited to another, etc. The physical CDs by LLL were fine and I think all the digital sites eventually updated their files I'd be the happiest if that were the case... but the difference is that LLL care about things. We should ask as many Botnicks and Disney people as possible just in case though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,396 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Credits from the digital booklet: So Bruce Botnick did everything on this release, he definitely is the person to reach. It's amazing when you think about it if the CD length limit ends up being an excuse for not including a major piece of the score... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,318 Posted September 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2021 All I can say is... pray that not a single person except Mike Matessino is allowed to touch Star Wars or Indiana Jones, period. I assumed titles released on the Legacy line would be safe from issues like these. Evidently that was a naive assumption. Trope, Tom Guernsey, Holko and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,530 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 One email sent to BB. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Little Mermaid was Menken’s only great Disney work anyway. Jurassic Shark, Yavar Moradi and BrotherSound 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Does it feature BDH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Holko said: OST on top, Legacy on bottom. Fucking horseshit. Not paying a cent for this trash. Leaving off the villain death climax... And my awful theory's holding up, the missing cue is in the gap between discs. What is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Holko said: OST on top, Legacy on bottom You can visually see where the missing music that is on the OST is not on the Legacy edition (and vice versa) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Howard Ashman is why Little Mermaid’s great and Aladdin’s good in bits. Menken’s scores are pretty nondescript otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 4 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: I love these Legacy Collections but it's a shame there are never instrumentals of the song. I would kill for high quality version of The Bells Of Notre Dame, Out There, God Help The Outcasts, Colors Of The Wind, Belle amd so on. A shame Something has to have gone wrong. Maybe it's only on the digital? Toy Story had instrumentals, didn't it? I was grateful for those. That release isn't flawless, but it's very, very good. But yeah, the Legacy Collection overall is one helluva mixed bag. I still can't believe they chose to remix The Lion King so drastically. It really changes the musical content itself in a lot of spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 I like the new mix, wasnt it less synthy? igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Apart from a few awkward cross-fading, The Lion King release was very well-done. The remastering was spot on and the way the score was intended to be heard. 3 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: I like the new mix, wasnt it less synthy? Definitely less synthesized elements. Both the orchestra and choir were put more prominent; in quite a few cases, some instruments and chorus were restored for the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 hours ago, crumbs said: What exactly was wrong with it in the final version, if the master NSB delivered was correct? How does something like that even happen? Towards the end of the finale in one of the stereo chanels the a segment is repeated. It sounds bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: You can visually see where the missing music that is on the OST is not on the Legacy edition (and vice versa) Thanks. You don’t need a visual aid to tell that an ENTIRE cue is missing, though. Was this REALLY due to spacing on the CD? If so, there is a simple solution; two in fact: either take out one or two demo tracks on the second CD (A Guy Like You) or take out A Guy Like You from the first CD. Lord knows I tolerate it in the film as is. 4 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: Something has to have gone wrong. Maybe it's only on the digital? A hopeful assumption, but I very much doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WampaRat 1,105 Posted September 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2021 Alternate cover I made for this new Hunchback release. Decided to alter the usual template for these to best utilize this stunning artwork.The concept art for this entire production is so gorgeous btw. Too bad about the odd glaring flaw with missing music bits. But I’ve really dug hearing Menken’s whole score. And the demos are fascinating to hear. While sometimes they seemed to hit the nail on the head with the songs other times they really had to sand off the edges. (Its so jarring and funny to hear that alternate, more jazzy chorus in “Hellfire”) Tom Guernsey, Bayesian, igger6 and 4 others 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 59 minutes ago, JohnnyD said: Apart from a few awkward cross-fading, The Lion King release was very well-done. The remastering was spot on and the way the score was intended to be heard. Definitely less synthesized elements. Both the orchestra and choir were put more prominent; in quite a few cases, some instruments and chorus were restored for the first time. You sent me down a mini rabbit hole of looking into the remix. I'd either forgotten or not known that Alan Meyerson purportedly did a new mix because Zimmer didn't like Jay Rifkin's original mixes. So I can't offer any objective critique of Meyerson's work, which is evidently more true to what Zimmer wanted (or at least wanted a couple of decades later). Assuming that's all true, I can see why Disney would go that route for the release. But still, subjectively, I disagree with Zimmer and prefer the Rifkin mix. Sometimes less is more. I mean, Williams originally intended Duel of the Fates to have all kinds of percussion in it - and thank goodness they pared that down! It's interesting to hear Meyerson's "kitchen sink" mixes, but for everyday listening I'll take the Rifkin mixes. I suppose since those can be heard elsewhere, I really can't complain too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 I’d listen to the Legacy Collection mix a dozen times over one listen to the OST mix - but the complete score is v repetitive. The OST with the better remaster is probably the best version of that score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, WampaRat said: Alternate cover I made for this new Hunchback release. Decided to alter the usual template for these to best utilize this stunning artwork.The concept art for this entire production is so gorgeous btw. Too bad about the odd glaring flaw with missing music bits. But I’ve really dug hearing Menken’s whole score. And the demos are fascinating to hear. While sometimes they seemed to hit the nail on the head with the songs other times they really had to sand off the edges. (Its so jarring and funny to hear that alternate, more jazzy chorus in “Hellfire”) Not to criticize Lorelay Bové’s cover paintings (her illustrations are beautiful), but this should have been the way to go; she could have even painted an exterior shot of Notre Dame. WampaRat and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, JohnnyD said: Not to criticize Lorelay Bové’s cover paintings (her illustrations are beautiful), but this should have been the way to go; she could have even painted an exterior shot of Notre Dame. Yeah I would have LOVED for her to do something with the rose window from the cathedral. It could have still been very colorful and beautiful. Sadly this one of Quasi doesn’t seem the most …creative(?) But I can’t criticize as they’re the one with a working relationship with Disney and doing very well! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 2 hours ago, mstrox said: I’d listen to the Legacy Collection mix a dozen times over one listen to the OST mix - but the complete score is v repetitive. The OST with the better remaster is probably the best version of that score. That's so funny, I'm the complete opposite. I vastly prefer the complete score with the original mixes over any other version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Interesting. To each his own, I guess...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 I am holding out hope that this was a mistake and will get resolved. I have been waiting too long for Hunchback to now have to make my own edition. JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 For all the few issues, and one BIG issue (a MAJOR part of the score missing) the Legacy edition of The Hunchback of Notre Dame has, the remastering is pretty great. The score in particular is more crystal clear and, specifically, dynamic in the right places. Kudos, Bruce Botnick (though WHY LEAVE OUT A CRITICAL PART OF THE SCORE?!?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 This is why I don’t preorder anymore, folks. blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 35 minutes ago, blondheim said: I am holding out hope that this was a mistake and will get resolved. I have been waiting too long for Hunchback to now have to make my own edition. Fortunately, it is not hard since the missing cue is on the original soundtrack album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locrius 97 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 On 5/2/2021 at 12:50 AM, Henry Sítrónu said: 🥰 Based on Botnick's "it's everything" comment, one would think that the exclusion of the Frollo's death cue is a mistake... Hopefully it can be fixed... blondheim and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Hopefully Bruce gets back to those who reached out. I am hoping this was a digital album mistake and the physical release will have this problem resolved. Hoping and praying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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blondheim 1,157 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Kühni said: Option B: "If we ignore them long and hard enough, this issue will go away eventually." Please not this release, not Hunchback. Hasn't Quasimodo had it bad enough?! igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTelmarine 1 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Has anything like this ever happened before? I was really looking forward to this one (way more than any other Legacy Collection), and bought it digitally as soon as I saw the news. Already got a refund... It's really too bad. I hope it's as simple as having the correct track (with the missing material) added to the album, but I worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Drawgoon 100 Posted September 18, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2021 The final track on disc 1 that everyone is talking about does not end abruptly, so I'd very much doubt the omission of the segment in question was some manufacturing glitch, or a problem with the masters that was passed on to those streaming services. I am expecting the physical set to be the same. Personally I don't think this was a decision they made intentionally. Not for a set like this. The missing segment was likely meant to be appended to the first track on disc 2 to keep the first disc's running time below the 77 minute mark - and hence reduce the risk of manufacturing glitches. Perhaps this decision was not documented or communicated well, so the score segment was forgotten about, and its space on disc 2 was then given to yet another demo track. And with all due respect to Mr. Botnik (and I can fully understand that locating, extracting, mixing, mastering and producing this 25-years-old contnet cannot have been easy) this set does not contain "everything". There were number of demos for unused songs among the DVD special features (can be found on YouTube) that didn't make the cut here. Some of those were far more interesting than those iterations of the same demo they ended up including. igger6, crumbs, Holko and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Bruce obviously meant everything that's in the movie, not every single demo and unused stuff. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 . Jurassic Shark and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,530 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Drawgoon said: The missing segment was likely meant to be appended to the first track on disc 2 to keep the first disc's running time below the 77 minute mark Disc 2 does start very very suddenly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Yeah, conspiracy theory time. That definitely looks like the final master had more music at the start of disc 2, which someone hacked off to reduce the runtime, then didn't bother adding silence at the head of the master (as is standard for a pressed CD). TheTelmarine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Vincent 234 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Holko said: Disc 2 does start very very suddenly. What do you mean? "Emergence" starts the same way as "Into the Sunlight". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,530 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 1 minute ago, FrankV said: What do you mean? "Emergence" starts the same way as "Into the Sunlight". Just look at it. No silence in front. Discs usually have some leading silence. Almost as if it wasn't actually meant to be Track 1 but following another track. Surely they wouldn't have removed leading silence from the master for the digital versions and then still go through the effort to mark the discs in Spotify and such? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, FrankV said: What do you mean? "Emergence" starts the same way as "Into the Sunlight". He means there's less silence as a lead-in before the music begins, implying that music may have been removed immediately before it (on the new release). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnnyD 1,223 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Hopefully a clear answer will be given as to why this cue is missing from this release. On 18/09/2021 at 4:14 AM, Drawgoon said: And with all due respect to Mr. Botnick (and I can fully understand that locating, extracting, mixing, mastering and producing this 25-years-old contnet cannot have been easy) this set does not contain "everything". There were number of demos for unused songs among the DVD special features (can be found on YouTube) that didn't make the cut here. Some of those were far more interesting than those iterations of the same demo they ended up including. Not only that, but the 2002 DVD has the entire instrumental of the Heaven’s Light reprise. It plays in the “Captions” menu, which can be accessed via the “Set Up” menu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Vincent 234 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Ah, now I understand. Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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