Tallguy 3,402 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said: I still cant remember a note from the 6 episodes…. I can't remember a note, but I rewatched episode 6 and the music when they are navigating the Eye is gangbusters. I'm looking forward to having it. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,651 Posted October 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 24, 2022 I liked the album well enough and think that Brittell’s score fits the series like a glove. There are pieces I’m really looking forward to on the next volume, especially from episodes 6 and 7. Also loving that they’re not aiming for the Star Wars sound, because what people really mean is the Williams sound - and that just leads to dreadful Haab-style stuff. Not to mention, Williams significantly altered or expanded what “the Star Wars sound” meant eight times, with every subsequent score starting in 1980. Asking a different composer to come in and ape Williams is a much different matter - significantly narrowing their toolkit when Williams (with his own toolkit) broadened and broadened. The Illustrious Jerry, Tallguy, ddddeeee and 4 others 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 4 hours ago, mstrox said: Also loving that they’re not aiming for the Star Wars sound, because what people really mean is the Williams sound - and that just leads to dreadful Haab-style stuff. Or McNeely, Griskey, Soule, Harlin, Powell- style stuff Or Gia. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,383 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, Roll the Bones said: Or McNeely, Griskey, Soule, Harlin, Powell- style stuff Yeah. Dreadful. TolkienSS and Manakin Skywalker 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Roll the Bones said: Or McNeely, Griskey, Soule, Harlin, Powell- style stuff no Giacchino? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 22 minutes ago, enderdrag64 said: no Giacchino? I figured Mstrox would place Gia in the HaabLab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTheBaptist 57 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 10 hours ago, GerateWohl said: I think, you underestimate classical Star Wars scores and what a John Williams could do to the show to make it feel like Star Wars. Someone mentioned Minority Report as a template, which is a good idea. I understand, what Britell is trying to do there. But it doesn't work for me. I think, the situation here is far different from the movies. While Williams said for the movies, He tried to creative some familiarity for these other worldly images here the situation is the opposite. The images, the plot, the dialogues are so earthly that the music would have the job to create some out-of-this-world feeling like Goldsmith did in Planet of the Apes. But Britell's score does neither that nor does it spread the fairytale fairy dust on the images like Williams it. In oposite, I am afraid, it even empowers the feeling, that we are looking at a very earthly setting, which rather gives it a fan film touch. Luckily apart from the music the show is well produced, so it still works. But the music is just there to fulfill the minimum requirement of a dramtizing score. Quite unworthy for a Star Wars score in my view. The best thing that can be said about this score is, that it is not disturbing the action on screen. It's not a matter of "over" or "under" estimating. A Williams type score would have created a completely different tone for the show, and not one the creators were going for. Interesting that you bring up Minority Report, since that's by far one of his least liked scores on this forum. I will agree that this show needs a much more memorable theme, and it's too bad JW couldn't contribute like he did to Obi-Wan (Especially considering how much better this show is in comparison.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,383 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 25 minutes ago, JohnTheBaptist said: It's not a matter of "over" or "under" estimating. A Williams type score would have created a completely different tone for the show, and not one the creators were going for. Interesting that you bring up Minority Report, since that's by far one of his least liked scores on this forum. I will agree that this show needs a much more memorable theme, and it's too bad JW couldn't contribute like he did to Obi-Wan (Especially considering how much better this show is in comparison.) It is not about themes. It is about originality and sophistication. This techno stuff is neither original nor sophisticated. Techno is for cheap gangster shows or whatever. But not for a story in a galaxy far far away. That's my view. But it is interesting to know, that Minority is such lowly regarded around here. In my view it is a brillant score. Actually one of my favourite Williams score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 30 minutes ago, JohnTheBaptist said: Interesting that you bring up Minority Report, since that's by far one of his least liked scores on this forum. I'd concede that it doesn't get brought up a lot but come on, I don't really remember anyone disliking it. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 I've certainly gushed about it on more than one occasion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 Minority Report isn't close to being on of his least-liked scores on this forum Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,474 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 What JW score would really be the least liked by JWFans? Because even scores like Indy 4, Nixon, Always, etc., have their defenders here. From what I can see, there isn't such thing as a universally hated JW score. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 Universally hated? Of course not! But certainly a bunch of his 60s comedy scores are dismissed more quickly here than Minority Report! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, Edmilson said: What JW score would really be the least liked by JWFans? Because even scores like Indy 4, Nixon, Always, etc., have their defenders here. From what I can see, there isn't such thing as a universally hated JW score. John Goldfarb Thomas and the King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 21 minutes ago, Edmilson said: even scores like Indy 4, Nixon, Always, etc., have their defenders here I wouldn't even place those in the bottom third, come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 The Nixon score is awesome! MaxMovieMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 325 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 I am not fond of the War Horse score... but only because I have seen how the movie uses it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Looking through my list, of the scores of his I've heard in any form the only ones I put a "didn't like" label on are Bachelor Flat, Poseidon Adventure, Jaws 2 and Saving Private Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, Holko said: Looking through my list, of the scores of his I've heard in any form the only ones I put a "didn't like" label on are Bachelor Flat, Poseidon Adventure, Jaws 2 and Saving Private Ryan. Not heard, fair, sad, s'alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted October 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 25, 2022 13 hours ago, GerateWohl said: It is not about themes. It is about originality and sophistication. Having listened to the Britell album last week, what's missing isn't originality (that's the last thing i'd expect cited on a Williams forum as great attribute ) but a much simpler thing, which Britell could have provided: musical form. There's no need for elaborate rondos, fugues, scherzos or swooning romantic gestures as back in Williams' heyday, but this stuff barely hangs together as succession of sounds. It's mostly unharmonized rhythms, increased by more percussion layers. This becomes even more apparent when - for a few fleeting seconds - something like this violin duet in 'Past & Present Suite' appears. Out of nowhere, seemingly, to hit a specific moment they seem to deny the composer(s) except for when it's absolutely necessary. I'm not especially taken with what McCreary did on Amazon's LOTR series, though it's night and day compared to this. What he offers in mammoth release after mammoth release is certainly form, melody and storytelling, though it comes in form of a mishmash of source/folk music and thumping trailer music clichés. It is certainly better than any of Disney's SW offerings of late, though it's just another form of creative cop-out. But it ain't gonna get much bette than this, i'm afraid. I fully expect JNH to nosedive the same with his upcoming 'Willow' tv series score, but i'm up for a happy surprise all the same! The Illustrious Jerry, GerateWohl, MrJosh and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyroberts 1 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 21 hours ago, mstrox said: I liked the album well enough and think that Brittell’s score fits the series like a glove. There are pieces I’m really looking forward to on the next volume, especially from episodes 6 and 7. Also loving that they’re not aiming for the Star Wars sound, because what people really mean is the Williams sound - and that just leads to dreadful Haab-style stuff. Not to mention, Williams significantly altered or expanded what “the Star Wars sound” meant eight times, with every subsequent score starting in 1980. Asking a different composer to come in and ape Williams is a much different matter - significantly narrowing their toolkit when Williams (with his own toolkit) broadened and broadened. They sound amazing! I'm looking forward to episode 7 as well. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miz 139 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Any word on the release date for the next album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,969 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Miz said: Any word on the release date for the next album? The tweet in this post of mine shows the release dates of the other 2 albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted October 26, 2022 Author Share Posted October 26, 2022 5 hours ago, Miz said: Any word on the release date for the next album? On 21/10/2022 at 3:25 PM, JNHFan2000 said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanskie 104 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 I'm surprised by how much of the score is just underscore given that it's a SW show. But I kind of like that because it feels different and refreshing. A score with a full, traditional orchestra with traditional themes definitely wouldn't fit and I'm kind of over traditional orchestra scores for now, anyway Others may disagree, but this feels way more inspired than Kenobi's score—but I do understand why this isn't for everyone. The Past/Present Suite is my favorite so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted November 3, 2022 Author Share Posted November 3, 2022 the Vol 2 OST is out where it's Friday already https://music.apple.com/nz/album/andor-vol-2-episodes-5-8-original-score/1652582781 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, Jay said: the Vol 2 OST is out where it's Friday already https://music.apple.com/nz/album/andor-vol-2-episodes-5-8-original-score/1652582781 This is the one I'm excited about. I watched episode 9 last night. The series has been getting much synthier and more explicitly dystopian. Then during the end credits it drops into this lovely piano music! I guess that will show up in volume 3. So my head keeps flipping around "This is actually really good!" and "But it isn't Star Wars." and "But it's really good!" and "But it isn't Star Wars." (Which seems to be the same thing this board is doing.) There's also a little voice that asks "What if it IS Star Wars?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 It's certainly not what I'm doing. After a slow start, the show has blossomed into exactly what I was hoping for when they announced it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Just now, Disco Stu said: It's certainly not what I'm doing. After a slow start, the show has blossomed into exactly what I was hoping for when they announced it. Oh, I'm just talking the music. Otherwise I'm right on board with you. This is even more the show I wanted than I knew I wanted. I could do with a little more "adventure", but that's not what this show wants to do. Part of my flip flop is "Could this show support a 'traditional' Star Wars score and still be this show?" Is this exactly the score this show needs? Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Oh, I'm just talking the music. Otherwise I'm right on board with you. This is even more the show I wanted than I knew I wanted. I could do with a little more "adventure", but that's not what this show wants to do. Part of my flip flop is "Could this show support a 'traditional' Star Wars score and still be this show?" Is this exactly the score this show needs? Oh the score is eminently ignorable and easily the most disappointing aspect of the show. I can imagine a score even in the same style that is much better. enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Yeah I agree I don't have a problem with the style of music they're going for, it's just the actual music that's been made has been very boring. I don't hate the main theme (the one featured in the Past/Present Suite) but I never even noticed it until the OST, and nearly all of the other music in the show is completely bland and forgettable. Out of the entire volume 1 album there are maybe 6 tracks that I liked total. The action cues in particular are really bad I think, it's almost sound design more than music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2022 Dr. Gorst, Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Sound Design Scores (After Listening to Dying Children Scream for Six Straight hours) TolkienSS, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and DarthDementous 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Bezerra 303 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Here is my mash up of the main title theme from episodes 4-6... it doesn't work as smoothly as episodes 1-3, and I don't know what to do with episode 7, mashing it with 4-6 makes it all a little to cluttered... Andor (Main Title Theme) - Episodes 4-6.flac Andor (Main Title Theme) - Episodes 4-7.flac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JNHFan2000 2,969 Posted November 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2022 I'm sorry to people who like the score for the series but I got to get something of my chest. I just listened to the 2nd volume and honestly, I feel it's horrible. I feel bad for Britell because he's very talented but what he was asked to do hear is just awful. It's not enjoyable Star Wars music, it's not even very enjoyable music overall. How is it we get 3 albums, totalling almost 3 hours, of this. And don't have more music from Williams' prequel/sequel scores and Mando S2. I honestly don't get it. I remember about 3 months ago before the show started I was going through Britell music like Succession & Cruella and being so excited for what he would do with a Star Wars score. But, for me personally, this is actually the worst result. I've always understood people who said that not all projects in the SW universe should have a certain sound (or sound like Williams). I feel Kiner, Göransson & Holt/Ross all made things their own and did something interesting, but with those scores I still felt it was part of SW. I was always open to a composer trying something new, but if this is the result, I don't want that anymore. I respect people who enjoy the music, but I think it's just awful and can't believe how this is a score to a Star Wars project. Van_Etten, Jay, Tydirium and 6 others 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,474 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 It'll be very depressing to see this score win an Emmy next year, defeating Bear McCreary's RoP. enderdrag64, Tydirium and GerateWohl 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Listened to volume two a few times and thought it was great. I think in the long run, the appropriate “listening program” for this season will be one shorter volume of highlights only, but in general I like the vibe well enough. Especially glad to have the heist episode music and the weird vacation-world techno stuff! Trope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miz 139 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Yes, I think the second album might be a bit more entertaining (though darker)... but I look forward to cropping highlights from all 3 albums eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Bezerra 303 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Saw someone on Twitter theorize Spoiler Kleya is Andor's sister based on the music, still not sure even after the album, but I thought it could at least generate some discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,402 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Spoiler Lost siblings finding each other across a galaxy and one is in a convenient and connected place of power? What is this.. Star Wars? (Or more specifically Return of the Jedi? Star Wars didn't do that nonsense.) Gabriel Bezerra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 The bit in Episode 11 when the imperial cruiser shows up reminds me of something in Holt's Kenobi score. some imperial material maybe? Ring a bell for anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DangerMotif 1,038 Posted November 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, greenturnedblue said: The bit in Episode 11 when the imperial cruiser shows up reminds me of something in Holt's Kenobi score. some imperial material maybe? Ring a bell for anyone else? greenturnedblue, Tydirium, Gabriel Bezerra and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Gibster said: I actually prefer the one from Andor, has more of a sense of British elegance which fits the Empire very well It sounds like a permutation of part of Andor’s title theme but I could be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Well, the rendition in 'some things cant be forgotten' seems kind of tacky compared with the grander more cinematic statement in 'I thought hed be here' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Bezerra 303 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 On 19/10/2022 at 1:08 PM, Gabriel Bezerra said: It appears we have a new Imperial motif, the one that plays when the BSI headquarters first appeared is used again when the star destroyer flies above Cintha. It reminds me of Ross' new Vader motif Finally... I'm not the only one who notice it. What are the odds of that though... Wasn't Britell working on the score for "years"? Obi-Wan ended in June, and Ross' share of the score was way closer to release. So it might just be a crazy coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,651 Posted November 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2022 Just one of those happy coincidences - great minds think alike and all that! Kind of like how James Horner wrote the theme for Willow nearly concurrently with Schumann writing his third symphony. Stark, enderdrag64, eitam and 7 others 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2022 Vol. 3 OST is releasing this Friday, Dec. 9th https://twitter.com/NicholasBritell/status/1599798019012321280?s=20&t=yiarxxM-48rktIou55WSjw dylanskie, DarthDementous, Trope and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,396 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 https://music.apple.com/nz/album/andor-vol-3-episodes-9-12-original-score/1658398472 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Bezerra 303 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Never realized how little music was there in episode 9... Pretty sure the Rebellion Suite is the theme first heard in "Kleya", could be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 316 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 I wonder if not using any Williams themes was a deliberate choice or if they didn’t have permission to use the themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Probably too expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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