Popular Post SyncMan 314 Posted September 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2022 It is not an official album press release, but a friend of mine that is going to the RUDY LTP concert in Indianapolis tomorrow got this email today from the Indianapolis Symphony Orchestra. This is the link to that CD from Varese's website, but it is not ready yet. https://varesesarabande.com/products/jerry-goldsmith-rudy-the-deluxe-edition-cd?utm_source=wordfly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=9-16-22_FS1_PCE_FRI&utm_content=version_A&uid=639352&sourceNumber=32251 Stay tuned! Edit: Here is the album cover that appears in the said orchestra's Facebook page. Description of album content from that Facebook post: "This Deluxe Edition expands the sequence to 67 minutes and features new liner notes by Tim Greiving, who interviewed the real-life Rudy Ruettiger, writer Angelo Pizzo, director David Anspaugh and actor Sean Astin, as well as Get Out composer Michael Abels, who worked at the sessions. Archival comments by Goldsmith and contractor JoAnn Kane are also included." blondheim, Yavar Moradi, A. A. Ron and 9 others 8 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,037 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 I assume that’s what they’re announcing friday. Good catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 God, what a terrible cover. Also, THIS WILL BE MINE!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Incredible. I love this score. 'Tryouts' never ceases to give me goosebumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Can’t wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Here's the link for the contest by the way: https://indianapolissymphonyorchestra.formstack.com/forms/rudy_in_concert_giveaway Oh and for anyone who cares, here's the cover I've been using for the bootleg. I don't remember who made it, but it was probably someone on FSM or Squid-board. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 30 minutes of unreleased music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, Jay said: 30 minutes of unreleased music? Well they claim that it's a 67 minute album with 30 minutes of new music and that checks out since the OST was 37 minutes. It also means we're getting about 17 minutes of music that wasn't on the isolated score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 So this is the latest in a run of Goldsmith expansions that debut A LOT of previously unreleased music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 You can see the leather bit is the same image copied and flipped... If that makes sense.... Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Ah that is a good one as well. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 This is the one Rudy cue i couldn't do without and if it sounds better, i get it. Romão 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2022 I know, it has become kind of an awful tradition that my first post in a thread announcing an expansion is a complaint about the album cover - oh nevermind, what the actual fuck is this?! Chewy, Yavar Moradi and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 All it's missing is some WordArt text and we're really back in the lowest of the 90s. Chewy and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Tracklist and Samples: https://music.apple.com/nz/album/rudy-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-deluxe-edition/1643727239 Disco Stu and Dr. Rick 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 15 hours ago, Jay said: 30 minutes of unreleased music? Not exactly. It’s more like a quarter hour of previously unreleased score (including a few short cues which weren’t used in the film and therefore weren’t on the DVD isolated score track!), plus a couple of choral source cues. Three cues are presented twice, as film versions and original album versions, accounting for the extra time. But it’s hard to tell the difference IMO (probably just ever so slightly different takes), apart from “The Key” having an added 22 second cue in front of it for the main film program. Still a great and worthwhile expansion of a very important Goldsmith score! Yavar A. A. Ron and Chris Shaneyfelt 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Shaneyfelt 5 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Exciting expansion! Yavar, did Bruce Botnick work on this expanded album? I know he's done work on a few other Goldsmith expansions in recent years. (You may not be authorized to tell us, which is okay!) BTW, loved the Goldsmith Odyssey episode covering Goldsmith at 20th Vol. 5! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 27 minutes ago, Chris Shaneyfelt said: Exciting expansion! Yavar, did Bruce Botnick work on this expanded album? I know he's done work on a few other Goldsmith expansions in recent years. (You may not be authorized to tell us, which is okay!) Well I can honestly tell you: I don't know! But he only has a "recorded and mixed by" credit in the album booklet, for whatever that's worth. 28 minutes ago, Chris Shaneyfelt said: BTW, loved the Goldsmith Odyssey episode covering Goldsmith at 20th Vol. 5! I'm glad! One of our most popular Spotlights (or really, any sort of episode) *ever* ... makes me very optimistic that this will be a good seller for LLL. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,454 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 What does that have to do with Jerry's score to Rudy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,454 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Jay said: What does that have to do with Jerry's score to Rudy? My bad, I posted it on the wrong thread. Already moved the post to the right thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Wait, so this was not only discovered by the premature email message, but the listing is already up on iTunes...and Varese haven't even announced it yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Indianapolis Symphony did nothing premature at all. They are in the middle of running a contest that ends tomorrow for a free copy. The announcement went up when it was supposed to. As for iTunes, it's already Friday in Australian, New Zealand, and many other countries now, so in all those countries, you can legally buy it on digital platforms. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,389 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Ooooooh. I have no idea what's missing. I haven't seen this film in almost 30 years. But I listen to the original album on the regular. Tryouts is just the best. Waiting is pretty darn good too. So is Back on the Field! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: Indianapolis Symphony did nothing premature at all. They are in the middle of running a contest that ends tomorrow for a free copy. The announcement went up when it was supposed to. As for iTunes, it's already Friday in Australian, New Zealand, and many other countries now, so in all those countries, you can legally buy it on digital platforms. So going straight to digital?! Have to admit that with the demise of their international store and the excruciating cost of postage, I'll be happy to pick this up digitally... plus I won't have to wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Almost all of Varese's Deluxe Edition go up for sale digitally. The physical CD edition with liner notes by Tim Greiving will go on sale just under 21 hours from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Of course I need the physical CD. Cindylover1969 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,689 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: So going straight to digital?! Have to admit that with the demise of their international store and the excruciating cost of postage, I'll be happy to pick this up digitally... plus I won't have to wait! I'd happily accept this as a substitute for the int'l store closing. I won't be buying this, but in a general sense I don't care about having to wait for the actual CD to arrive if I can just listen to the music in the meantime. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Shaneyfelt 5 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Yavar Moradi said: Well I can honestly tell you: I don't know! But he only has a "recorded and mixed by" credit in the album booklet, for whatever that's worth. I'm glad! One of our most popular Spotlights (or really, any sort of episode) *ever* ... makes me very optimistic that this will be a good seller for LLL. Yavar Thank you, Yavar! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 I am very very very very happy to purchase this digitally and I wish all labels could do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Yea, fuck Tim Grieving and his liner notes, I guess Maestro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Jay said: Yea, fuck Tim Grieving and his liner notes, I guess It certainly would be nice if Varese made digital booklets available with digital music purchase. It’s prohibitively expensive for people outside the US to have the CD shipped to them, even if they do prefer physical media. Yavar Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 It's an expensive hobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,689 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 I just realised the last speciality release I got from any of the labels was HTTYD 2 back in March. Then I have to go back pretty much a year to my last bunch of purchases. I'd imagine when the next one happens that I want, the shipping cost will be a rather unpleasant surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 50 minutes ago, Jay said: Almost all of Varese's Deluxe Edition go up for sale digitally. The physical CD edition with liner notes by Tim Greiving will go on sale just under 21 hours from now. I know most have eventually, but usually it's a few weeks/months later from what I recall (and not always) but great that it's a simultaneous digital release. It is massively annoying about the liner notes though. If all the various online classical stores can provide them, I really don't see why they can't be available for soundtrack releases, even if they were just in PDF from Varese's (or whoever's) own site. Ah well. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Penna 3,689 Posted September 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2022 Gotta be honest, they're hardly the package highlight for me. I appreciate the work and research that goes into them but at most they're a one-time curiosity for me. I think that if they went into more detail on alternates and bonus tracks and exactly what was different about them (and perhaps what editorial/creative changes made them necessary), I'd be more interested, but they usually don't. A. A. Ron, Tallguy, Tom Guernsey and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Richard Penna said: I think that if they went into more detail on alternates and bonus tracks and exactly what was different about them (and perhaps what editorial/creative changes made them necessary), I'd be more interested, but they usually don't. YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one. I understand where those who criticise it as a late career Goldsmith without his usual sophistication and instead lots of pathos come from, but I don't agree with them. Yes, it's a conceptually "lighter" score, but it's wonderful nonetheless - Goldsmith in semi-Barry mode may not quite reach the melodic heights of pure Barry, but is usually more of lasting interest to me. Stuff like Tryouts is just as good as it gets as far as refined elegance is concerned. Granted, the best version overall may have been the concert suite performed by the LSO in 2001 (the choir can easily be just one step too much, and the purely orchestral version was sublime), but I can still get in the mood for the cheesy choir version on most days. Very happy to get this - even more so because my current copy came with the DVD, which means that I have an original copy, but no jewel case cover to go with it. Bellosh and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 I honestly think 'Tryouts' is my favorite Goldsmith cue. Rudy, while the movie is just a sopping wet cliche, was one of the first movies as a kid that I realized the score could be an integral part of the experience (that wasn't John Williams of course) Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 8 hours ago, Jay said: Yea, fuck Tim Grieving and his liner notes, I guess Yeah all these digital releases should come with the booklet. And LLL should join this decade and start doing digital releases too. Disco Stu and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, Holko said: And LLL should join this decade and start doing digital releases too. Buy every release 50 times just so it can actually be feasible for them to keep doing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Holko said: Yeah all these digital releases should come with the booklet. And LLL should join this decade and start doing digital releases too. You don’t think they would if they could? Yavar Tallguy and Cindylover1969 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Holko should know they can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Intrada and Varese can. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2022 It is kind of jacked up that the liner notes are an "only if you buy the CD" bonus. If I spend money to buy the album digitally, is that money worth less than money spent on the CD? Just gimme the PDF ferpetesake! enderdrag64, Holko and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 14 minutes ago, Holko said: Intrada and Varese can. You're making a blanket statement and missing the nuance of the differences between different situations If a specialty label is granted a license from a film studio for the unreleased tracks and a music label for the released tracks to make a new album that expands a score, the only license the entities give them is for a limited run of physical CDs and that is it. They do not grant the specialty label rights to sell it digitally. With Varese, when expanded scores they have perpetuity rights to, they ARE the music label, so already have the rights to sell the music on digital platforms, including the newly licensed music from the film studio. So this is why many Deluxe editions show up on digital retailers. With Intrada, it's the same thing, the ones they have up for sale are the ones they already have the music rights to to begin with, like Inchon or their own re-recordings (Rio Conchos, Black Patch, Ivanhoe, etc). They occasionally get rights to some scores that had an OST album on another label for unknown reasons, but this is like 1% of their output. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Just now, Jay said: With Intrada, it's the same thing, the ones they have up for sale are the ones they already have the music rights to to begin with, like Inchon or their own re-recordings (Rio Conchos, Black Patch, Ivanhoe, etc). They occasionally get rights to some scores that had an OST album on another label for unknown reasons, but this is like 1% of their output. And then the situation where Disney's music label can release Intrada assemblies digitally on their own. I'm guessing Intrada sees none of that digital sales/streaming revenue? Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Oh yea, tons of albums that came out on physical CD by a specialty label have their same programs up on streaming sites but released by the film studio; These are cases where the film studio already owns all the rights because it never had an OST album (Superman IV, The Public Eye, etc), or where the music label that owns the rights is actually owned by the film studio anyway (IE Disney Records & Disney the film company) And yea in those cases the specialty label would see absolutely none of that revenue. The digital masters of the albums the specialty labels assemble get sent to the music label and film studio and some day if different rights issues are determined they could release them themselves without having to pay the specialty label; They already own the music! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 This score is a really unusual case for me: I absolutely love it, and yet I think the OST is enough for me. I think I tried listening to a version with additional material for a while and I actually preferred the shorter program on the OST. So I might not pick this one up, oddly enough. But as always...glad it's getting an expanded release! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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