NL197 368 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 15 hours ago, Tallguy said: I ripped the isolated score of Company Car and found it really unsatisfying. Very scene driven (hitting all the punch lines) and not very melodic. Is the extended version of Company Car the film version or is it a third thing? (Kind of like when I ripped the film version of the From Russia with Love titles and found there was a reason the album version was the album version.) The film version and album version are basically two different edits of the same cue. The album version cuts out those punch lines, while the film version (as heard on the isolated score) uses them and cuts out other sections. So in the end, the extended version of this cue in the main program of this new release is everything in one go, punch lines, melodies and all. The album version on the OST is in the bonuses. The edited film version is not here. harryfrishberg and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,394 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 2 hours ago, NL197 said: The edited film version is not here. God bless us, every one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 I can live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 Does anybody else have any commentary on this new release? I can't believe my dumb luck that it comes out while I'm away on vacation, and now I'm back and sick with something that's clogged my ears so I can't enjoy music properly. Bah! MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Haven't been able to sit down with it in full yet. checked out a few cues though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2022 I listened to it today in the car. Excellent sound. i love how arnold treated this score as it should be when a composer steps in the franchise created by another composer. He uses the james bond theme as if it where his own, he changes it, deconstructs it, uses its rythms, melds it with his own themes, play full renditions…. Not with the usual, “im afraid to step into the shoes of this composer so i subtly hint the original themes or use note by note transcriptions when i want to put the ONLY full rendition of the theme in the film”…. and the love theme and surrender song could have been in a barry film IheartMelissaBenoist, ThePenitentMan1, Jay and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I have it but I gave my spouse all four of my Black Friday purchases (everything but The Burbs) to put under the tree this year. I’m still listening to Christmas stuff all month anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: Does anybody else have any commentary on this new release? I'll have more organized thoughts after I give the whole thing a second listen, but my initial thoughts: I love it! It's a phenomenal release of my most wanted non-Williams holy grail. Sound quality is excellent. So cool to have Backseat Pilot sound perfect (was always hard for me to undo the volume dips on the DVD iso), and with a clean ending. The full company car is great, the film version of Backseat Driver which has the extra Bond theme insert in there, super cool unheard bits at the start of Printing Press Fight. It's really cool to have the original versions of White Knight and Backseat Pilot, and so cool to know that these were Arnold's demos. White Knight didn't change much from original to the revised cue, but Backseat Pilot is quite different and also very awesome! Oh and the original version of The Sinking of the Devonshire is pretty different and also really cool. The Simon Greenway source cues are also really fun. It's my favorite of Arnold's Bond scores, I think of the 3 Brosnan ones he did, it has the most perfect balance of orchestral to electronic (one foot in the 60s and one foot in the 90s, as Arnold says) in my opinion. I like the other two, but at times the electronic elements get a little "too much" for me and I wish I could turn up the orchestra a bit more. But this one has a perfect balance in my opinion. So glad to have this one, and I really didn't expect it to happen this year. Great surprise! Mattris and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kusi 16 Posted December 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2022 Well, I had no time to comment to this release since I received it. I listen to the set regurarly. The "Surrender (alternate)" track is amazing - I love the quiet intro to the song. Also the track "White Knight" is still amazing after all these years. The final tracks "Ha Long Bay", "Boarding The Stealth", "Grenade", "A Tricky Spot For 007", "Stealth Shoot Out", "Carver Gets It", "All In A Day's Work" are amazingly wall to wall scoring with big and entertainy orchestra music..... if I'd continue writing about this score the word "amazing" would appear several more times. I love the classic David Arnold/Nicholas Todd sound. Jay, Mattris, MikeH and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 16, 2022 Its a shame they stopped hiring him for bond MrJosh, Yavar Moradi and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kusi 16 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: Its a shame they stopped hiring him for bond oh yeah. I really hoped for a new endless "Barry"-era. He really did such a good job on composing and feeling the Bond-sound. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,394 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Did they "stop hiring him" or was it just that they hired a director who only worked with one composer? And then they were able to get the current generation's equivalent to John Williams. (As opposed to when Arnold was replaced with actual John Williams.) Obviously it would have been awesome for Arnold to finish the Craig era that he started. GerateWohl and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 17 hours ago, MrJosh said: I'll have more organized thoughts after I give the whole thing a second listen, but my initial thoughts: Thank you for this! I cannot wait to be able to properly enjoy this. My ears have been clogged for 3 days now MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Jay said: Thank you for this! I cannot wait to be able to properly enjoy this. My ears have been clogged for 3 days now That's not fun at all, I wish you a faster recovery and hope your ears are back to normal in the next couple days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 I'm sure it's just a cold but it sucks not being able to enjoy new music. If I have something on I've heard a million times while I'm doing something else it's no big deal. But I tried to check out the new Willow album and had to give up and wait I have a new appreciation for people with tinnitus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 Yea the mixing in this is fantastic. For as loud as this score can get you can pick out every instrumental detail. A tribute to Nicholas Dodds orchestrations. sooo…what are they odds they’ll bring back Arnold to reboot the new bond? Or will they get someone more popular like Goransson? (I could see the later that being a pretty likely scenario) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 17, 2022 Author Share Posted December 17, 2022 Just got diagnosed: it's an ear infection. No wonder I can't hear right! WampaRat and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxsch 115 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 17/12/2022 at 11:04 PM, Jay said: Just got diagbised: it's an ear infection. No wonder I can't hear right! God, just how you've got it? I hope you will recover as soon as possible. I wish you all the best and it's sad that you've got it when there are so many cool releases around harryfrishberg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IheartMelissaBenoist 36 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 17/12/2022 at 7:35 AM, Tallguy said: Did they "stop hiring him" or was it just that they hired a director who only worked with one composer? That was my impression at the time (Sam Mendes = Thomas Newman, apart from 2 films so far). Haven't heard different. On the flip side, it's also probably unlikely they'd "force" an incoming director to use Arnold. On 17/12/2022 at 2:04 PM, Jay said: Just got diagnosed: it's an ear infection. No wonder I can't hear right! Oh no! I hate ear infections! I've had several, and will probably have more. Good luck to you, best wishes for a quick recovery. And that you never get another one. (The question is, however, can you hear left?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 IheartMelissaBenoist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,367 Posted December 23, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2022 If anybody wants to use Arnold's original cue titles, the GEMA database has them all (except the one cue that didn't appear in the final cut) Not 1, not 2, not 3, but FOUR "Gets It" cues! Original Album Terrorist Base White Knight Mod Squad White Knight Missile Launch White Knight Blowing Up The Base White Knight Dog Fight Backseat Pilot Sinking Of The Devonshire The Sinking Of The Devonshire Headlines / Eye The Sinking Of The Devonshire Encoder The Sinking Of The Devonshire Bond To MI6 MI6 Launch The Fleet Launch The Fleet Hamburg / Q / Car Company Car You Have A Phone Call, Mr. Bond Studio Fight Station Break Carver And Paris Carver And Paris Too Close For Comfort Paris And Bond An Appointment With The Doctor The Last Goodbye Laboratory Break In Hamburg Break In Atrium Chase Hamburg Break Out Printing Press Fight Printing Press Fight Newspaper / Escape To Hotel Escape To Hotel Dr. Kaufman Doctor Kaufman Kaufman Gets It *-3-Send Backseat Driver Backseat Driver Bond In Okinawa Okinawa Bond HALO Jump HALO Jump Underwater Discovery Underwater Discovery Helicopter / Vietnam Vietnam Banner Escape Banner Escape Bike Chase Bike Chase Bike Shop Fight Bike Shop Fight Ha Long Bay Ha Long Bay Stealth / Capture Boarding The Stealth Jam Jar Grenade Grenade Gupta Gets It A Tricky Spot For 007 Stealth Shoot Out Stealth Shoot Out Carver Gets It Carver Gets It Stamper Gets It / Bond Triumphs All In A Day’s Work "Encoder" is the short cue added to the LLL "Sinking of the Devonshire" track, it's not in the OST/Chapter III track fommes, OneBuckFilms, KittBash and 4 others 2 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittBash 282 Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 This has finally arrived! Can't wait to crack into it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneBuckFilms 320 Posted December 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2022 I'm revisiting this score today, and it is fantastic. David Arnold's approach to Bond is just sooo good. The perfect evolution of John Barry's style with a feel all of his own. The tension, the swagger, the fantastic themes, and amazing action scoring. Chewy, blondheim and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 Agree. And how cool would it be if Arnold came back for the next Bond film!?! Just the thought makes me very very happy. MikeH and OneBuckFilms 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 I love what Arnold did with this series, but I'm ok with it if he's done. He had a great run. I'd love to hear John Powell's take on it. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said: I love what Arnold did with this series, but I'm ok with it if he's done. He had a great run. I'd love to hear John Powell's take on it. Powell probably wouldn’t be too keen on the violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 7 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: I love what Arnold did with this series, but I'm ok with it if he's done. He had a great run. I'd love to hear John Powell's take on it. Ditto… but… 7 hours ago, Clockwork Angel said: Powell probably wouldn’t be too keen on the violence. …probably true. I still vote for Murray Gold but chances are slim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,394 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 12 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: I love what Arnold did with this series, but I'm ok with it if he's done. He had a great run. I'd love to hear John Powell's take on it. Go listen to Bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Go listen to Bolt. Paycheck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 Those are both great but the closest he's come to Bond is obviously Agent Cody Banks. Doesn't stop me from dreaming of the real thing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 407 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 20 hours ago, Clockwork Angel said: Powell probably wouldn’t be too keen on the violence. Why? He scored the Bournes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 Yeah, I never understood this whole "Powell doesn't score violent movies" stuff. He did four Bourne movies, plus United 93, Green Zone, Mr and Mrs Smith... Even his most recent movie Don't Worry Darling is made for adults (specially young adult women who lust for Harry Styles). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 Put this together... if only! fommes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Edmilson said: Yeah, I never understood this whole "Powell doesn't score violent movies" stuff. He did four Bourne movies, plus United 93, Green Zone, Mr and Mrs Smith... Even his most recent movie Don't Worry Darling is made for adults (specially young adult women who lust for Harry Styles). Just repeating what I believe Powell has said himself: that recently he prefers to avoid scoring films where the protagonist solves all their problems with violence. Note the most recent Bourne was credited to Buckley and Powell instead of Powell only Anyway, got my copy today Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Apparently, Jason Bourne originally was just going to be Buckley only before JP got involved fairly late (which would explain why it doesn't feel particularly inspired). In any case, it's either been speculated or confirmed that the passing of his wife might've been what contributed to him making the shift he did. I guess one can question if he's had a recent change with that, as DWD definitely tackles the more damaging aspects of relationships, but I suppose he saw it more in a psychological sense than specifically being about the violence. Either way, he probably won't be touching any big productions that aren't animation anytime soon, unless he states his intentions to go back to how he was pre the mid-2010s. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 55 minutes ago, Clockwork Angel said: Just repeating what I believe Powell has said himself: that recently he prefers to avoid scoring films where the protagonist solves all their problems with violence. Note the most recent Bourne was credited to Buckley and Powell instead of Powell only Anyway, got my copy today 8 minutes ago, HunterTech said: Apparently, Jason Bourne originally was just going to be Buckley only before JP got involved fairly late (which would explain why it doesn't feel particularly inspired). In any case, it's either been speculated or confirmed that the passing of his wife might've been what contributed to him making the shift he did. I guess one can question if he's had a recent change with that, as DWD definitely tackles the more damaging aspects of relationships, but I suppose he saw it more in a psychological sense than specifically being about the violence. Either way, he probably won't be touching any big productions that aren't animation anytime soon, unless he states his intentions to go back to how he was pre the mid-2010s. This is a little disappointing for me, since I'd love him scoring a major action movie, whether is a Marvel/DC tentpole or another Bond flick. But if that doesn't happen, I'd be happy with him returning to animation (the last one he did came out almost 4 years ago). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,394 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Well now I want John Powell to score an animated James Bond movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 Producer Neil S. Bulk has answered some questions about this release in the FSM thread 1 - Obviously “White Knight” is an album track made for the original score album that combined 4 individual cues - “Terrorist Base”, “Mod Squad”, “Missile Launch”, and “Blowing Up The Base” - together. Your liner notes only mention that “most of” what we hear in “White Knight (Original Version)” was retained for the final film; My ears tell me that only “Terrorist Base” was completely re-recorded, while the other 3 cues are identical between the two tracks, with the exception of 2 extra seconds heard just before the 8 minute mark of the “Original Version” that are not present in the original album track. Is this a tiny edit made for the original score album that you did not not want to restore for the main program (which would have necessitated an “Extended Version” moniker)? Or was there some kind of Insert recorded and edited into the album track at that spot? That was en edit done for the album. Since "White Knight" is so beloved, I didn't want to alter it even with this tiny addition which isn't in the movie, anyway. 2 - Did all the same musicians play on the pre-title demos that also played on the eventual rest of the sessions? I never saw a musician list. 3 - What are the recording dates of this score? The booklet omits this information. I don't know. I only had DATs and it wasn't clear if those were scoring dates or mixing dates on them, so I didn't want to say anything either way. 4 - Why is the bonus track version of “The Sinking Of The Devonshire” labeled “Original Version” instead of “Alternate”? The liner notes only indicate that he demoed the pre-title sequence. Did he have to demo the Devonshire sequence too? 5 - Within this “Original Version” track, only the “Sinking of the Devonshire” cue is different, right? The “Headlines / Eye” cue is identical between the two tracks? It was not a demo, but it was done so much earlier than the revised it didn't feel like an alternate. Does that make sense? And yes, the ending of this version was used in the film and album. 6 - Do you know why different takes of “Paris and Bond” and “Bike Shop Fight” ended up on the OST album and Chapter III album respectively than the takes that went into the film? Was there something specific about the performances in those takes that Arnold liked better, or were both just accidental oversights? Sometimes different takes are preferred for the album. I don't think it was a mistake. I recall the opening to "Bike Shop Fight" was vocal slated "Album opening." 7 - What can you tell us about “The Last Goodbye (Alternate)”? Was it recorded before the version used in the film/album, or after? Same time. It was something I heard and I thought, "That's different enough to include." 8 - What can you tell us about the two different mixes of “Banner Escape”, and why the one labeled “Film Mix” is in the bonus tracks instead of the main program? Is it because the main program version is Arnold’s preferred mix, and the final film used a mix he did not like as much? I didn't think the film mix was appropriate for the main program. With the violins cutting through everything, they stood out from the rest of the album. Thankfully there was an album mix which was a better blend with the surrounding music. 9 - What can you tell us about the never-before-heard alternate opening of “Surrender”? The booklet only mentions that the first take of the orchestral backing is what they eventually used, rejecting later recordings because they lacked the energy that the first take had. But, is this opening here how the song was originally conceived, meaning the opening that we’ve been familiar with for 25 years is a pick-up take that came later? Or, is this alternate opening a later idea which they ultimately scrapped, sticking with their original opening? I don't know what the plan was for the alternate opening. I heard it and was thrilled we were able to close the album with it. Neil https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=149825&forumID=1&archive=0 KittBash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Anthony 572 Posted December 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 27, 2022 After finally getting to listen to this, here are my observations - some of which Neil elaborated on above, but I'd written this before I saw that! White Knight (Original Version) Fascinating if slightly underwhelming. It’s only the first minute or so that’s different. I was hoping for a full 8 minutes, but oh well! And there’s a tiny addition of about half a second toward the end (but this sounds more like something that as deliberately trimmed from the final version). This first minute though - it very much sounds like Arnold is warming up. It’s not quite as polished or slick as the final version. Like it could almost be from a Bond parody cue. Backseat Pilot The first of many cues that have only been heard in the isolated score track. Given how generally seamless they are, I’m surprised how many little edits to cues there were in the film. It’s going to take some getting used to hearing them in their unedited versions - when these little moments occur, I’m thinking “hey, that isn’t right!”, but of course, it is. Backseat Pilot (Original Version) Oh boy! This is my favourite new track on the album. It’s what I was hoping for from the original White Knight - a completely different version. This is absolutely top-tier Arnold action music. It’s a little rough around the edges, but I kind of like that. The cue is quite a bit longer than the final version - I wonder what else the original version of the scene contained. And the brass is absolutely wild. This cue has all the swagger and coolness of Bond that Arnold did so well - and no one else has done since. I like this even more than the final version. Surrender (Alternate Version) Wow - a completely unexpected intro. Downbeat, sorrowful…I assume this would have been a version for the titles. The lead-in seems more fitting here. It reminds me of From Russia With Love. Or the quiet intro to NTTD. And what a song Surrender is! In my opinion this is the best Bond song there’s ever been. The only thing it lacks is a proper ending - it just fades out. If this really was intended as a title song, I assume an ending was written? I've always imagined it may have had a similar ending to TWINE. I've heard Surrender once in a concert, but I can't remember what they did there! The Sinking Of The Devonshire (Extended Version) The “extended” element is the inclusion of the “Encoder” cue at the end, which is probably the most insignificant cue of the score. I’ll likely keep the original album version of this track to omit this. The Sinking Of The Devonshire (Original Version) So about 80% of it is different. I'm guessing the bits at the end are actually different cues that weren't revised. It’s not quite as polished as the final version, but I quite like it - similar to the early version of Backseat Pilot, it’s a little wild! MI6 / Launch The Fleet I’m not normally a fan of cues being joined together like this, but this is done well and I’ll likely keep it like this. Interesting that the drum kit was dialled out of Launch The Fleet in the film. Something else to get used to! Company Car (Extended Version) The album edit makes total sense, but once I’m used to this longer version, I know I’ll prefer it. Shaken But Not Stirred / It Had To Be You / Adrift Cool to hear full versions of these cues, although unlikely I’ll give them many listens. Nice bonus to include. You Have A Phone Call, Mr. Bond Well, well. A completely unheard new cue! In the film, this was replaced with a tracked version of Carver And Paris. Paris And Bond (both versions) The album version is a bit more in your face, especially with the cymbals. I think I prefer it over the film version. The Last Goodbye (both versions) Reprises of the Carver theme and the Paris theme. This track feels a little unnecessary given the two previous ones contained bigger and better statements of both. I’ll likely leave this cue off my playlist as I just want to get on with the printing press cues. It’s the only track that I feel really slows the pace. Hamburg Break Out / Printing Press Fight I honestly forgot that Printing Press Fight was previously unreleased given that in the film these are both shortened and stitched together. I wonder what the scene originally looked like. The gap between the two cues feels a little odd, but it’s something I’ll get used to. There’s some pretty aggressive sounding synth effect toward the end of Printing Press Fight I don’t recall hearing in the film mix. Escape To Hotel Maybe it’s because I’m so used to how it is in the film, but first two out of three micro edits make more musical sense to me than the “full” version of the cue here. I’ll likely make the edits again so they don't feel jarring. Backseat Driver (Film Version) My biggest disappointment in all the new material. It’s kind of a mess. It sounds unfinished - like they had to quickly edit it into the film and not enough time was left to mix it properly. I didn’t realise this would be so noticeably different from the album version. The only differences I was expecting was the part where some of the synths briefly drop out (when Bond releases the tyre spikes) and the extra bit of the Bond theme toward the end. But the mix is significantly different. The synths sound “dirtier” and their volume is inconsistent (noticibly quieter after the bazooka moment), there are a bunch of annoying synth “effects” throughout, the orchestra sounds too prominent in the second half, and there’s a bunch of extra reverb in the keyboard and guitar parts which makes them sound rather muddy and lost in the background. It’s so different to the album version that trying to seamlessly combine the two into a best-of-both is extremely difficult. So frustrating. I’ll likely stick the album version in the main program instead. Okinawa / HALO Jump Two more cues joined together but where it actually sounds like they should be. Okinawa has a longer intro than we were previously aware of. I thought I'd leave these cues out of my own program, but the way they are presented here saves them! Banner Escape (both versions) Like Pipeline from TWINE and Hovercraft Chase from DAD, I’d be grasping at straws to tell you what’s audibly different between the film and album mixes, so I’ll stick with the album mix! It must have been done for reasons! Bike Shop Fight (both versions) The difference is in the quieter first third. The film version hurries along to the action a little quicker. In my opinion, the album version is the better of the two. Ha Long Bay Finally - the correct cue title! The Chapter III release only went and picked a location in the wrong country! Boarding The Stealth The ambient, sound-designy ending here is a little different and longer than what's on the Chapter III release. Neither are particularly attention grabbing so I’ll just stick with the La La Land version. Stealth Shoot Out Cool to hear the full mix of this. In the film, the orchestra gets dialled out for part of it and replaced with drum loops. Carver Gets It And more never-before-heard music here. I always assumed there was some music for Carver’s death, and here it finally is! My ripped version that I'll keep on my phone will likely end up something like this: 01. White Knight 02. Backseat Pilot (Original Version) 03. Surrender (Alternate Version) 04. The Sinking Of The Devonshire (OST/Chapter III version) 05. MI6 / Launch The Fleet 06. Company Car (Extended Version) 08. You Have A Phone Call, Mr. Bond 09. Station Break 10. Paris And Bond (Album Version) 11. Hamburg Break In 12. Hamburg Break Out 13. Printing Press Fight 14. Escape To Hotel 15. Doctor Kaufman 16. *-3-Send 17. Backseat Driver (Album Version) 18. Okinawa / HALO Jump 19. Underwater Discovery 20. Vietnam 21. Banner Escape 22. Bike Chase 23. Bike Shop Fight (Album Version) 24. Ha Long Bay 25. Boarding The Stealth 26. Grenade 27. A Tricky Spot For 007 28. Stealth Shoot Out 29. Carver Gets It 30. All In A Day’s Work 31. Surrender (Album Version) 32. Backseat Pilot (Film Version) 33. Backseat Driver (Film Version) Other than my own expectations being out of kilter with what the film version of Backseat Driver actually was, this is exactly what I hoped this release would be. And the original version of Backseat Pilot is a dream! Was there ever a definitive answer on why we got the Brosnan Arnold scores expanded in reverse order? Chewy, harryfrishberg and Jay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,367 Posted December 27, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 27, 2022 Yes, I love all these little differences in the cues that we had only ever been able to hear before via the isolated score track. It really shows how a score being lucky enough to get an isolated score track on its DVD or blu is not a reason for a specialty label not to work on it! Banner Escape seems to only really be different in the last 30 seconds or so and I definitely prefer the album mix as well. I wonder why the filmmakers wanted those violins to be heard better in the final film? I also like the opening of Bike Shop Fight recorded for the album better, too. I wonder if it was recorded wild (with a purposely slower tempo), while the film take was strict about sync points ThePenitentMan1, Yavar Moradi and Chewy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Given I had such a reaction to the original version of Backseat Pilot (positive) and the film version of Backseat Driver (negative), what do others think about these versions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 For Backseat Driver, I think I prefer the film version but my right ear is still so clogged I can't really be a good judge of anything here yet For Backseat Pilot (Dog Fight), oh boy, both are awesome in different ways. It's not like one is better than the other, they're both great! I can't wait to hear it properly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryfrishberg 37 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Hey @Jay -- while your ears are still unclogging, I'll throw in my own 2¢ regarding one of the questions you posed to Neil on FSM. And I'm speaking strictly in a theoretical sense, since there's very little information to draw from on this. Regarding the alternate opening to Surrender, I believe that it's highly likely this alternate was made once Arnold knew his song would be used as an End Titles piece rather than during the Main Titles. It was perhaps meant to be a more somber and fluid transition from "Bond Triumphs" into the End Credits, specifically over the "In Memory of Albert R. Broccoli" card. I actually mocked this up with video at one point and it flows rather nicely. But in the end, it was jettisoned in favor of the big brassy opening we all know and love. Kind of like the ending of OHMSS -- taking a moment of sad reflection and crashing into that "James Bond" wah-wah trumpet sound... Again, this is just my speculation... So glad you're enjoying the release!! Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 27, 2022 Author Share Posted December 27, 2022 That makes sense So the normal film/album version was recorded on the same day they recorded the pre-title demos and they stuck with it, and an alternate opening was recorded at some point later, but went unused. That makes perfect sense that the initial version was the opening he'd want were it to be the main title song, and the new ending was a response to knowing it'd only be heard in the end credits, and that the credits opened with an in memorium card. Thanks for this! Since K.D. Lang's vocals are different in each opening, I wonder if she came in and did both versions on the same day, or if the new vocals were also recorded later... harryfrishberg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentinice 20 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jay said: That makes sense So the normal film/album version was recorded on the same day they recorded the pre-title demos and they stuck with it, and an alternate opening was recorded at some point later, but went unused. Since K.D. Lang's vocals are different in each opening, I wonder if she came in and did both versions on the same day That makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,394 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 The Alternate Surrender sounds like You Only Live Twice with a smidgen of Diamonds are Forever. harryfrishberg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 407 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Tomorrow Never Dies is nothing but a miracle. In all aspects. After the Goldeneye miscalculation, nobody had any right to expect this all time great entry. I would and will go so far and say that Tomorrow Never Dies the film is on equal grounds with the best of the Bonds, it's the perfect Bond formula placed in a recent timeframe, with a perfect balance of all elements. David Arnold's score is a godsend. When I heard the opening of the alternate Surrender, I shed a tear, being transported back 40 years in time. I wish Arnold had kept it more orchestral in the rest of the song, because that opening with that voice is legit GOAT. JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestat 348 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Arnold's score is totally brilliant - White Knight is an amazing kickstarter. His goofy personality (met him at one of the awesome FoFM sessions) is so different from his sheer professionalism and outright excellence in his orchestral work - see anything by him in the 1990s. He was totally at the top of his profession but it is my understanding that descaling his work is a very conscious decision based on industry realities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 He's said on several occasions that he only wants to work with people he likes and can spend genuinely good time with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Wonder if LLL will pursue Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace expansions next, seeing as both scores still have unreleased cues, possibly alternates, and the previous "expansions" (bonus tracks relegated to the end of a digital release) weren't exactly curated as an album. It's so satisfying completing the Brosnan/Arnold trilogy, but having the quintet of Arnold scores remastered by NSB at LLL would be icing on the cake. I suppose they'd prioritise earlier scores like Moonraker and Licence to Kill, mentioned as being "off the table" a few years back (but judging by TND things have changed!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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