Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!

[Richard Penna 3,694]

2 minutes ago, Tydirium said:

 

What are the chances that someone else could have written the exact same thing (same notes, rhythms, orchestrations) that Williams came up with?

 

We'll never know but it's a very populist thing to say around here. But I'll leave that there as we're all enjoying this new score.

[Tydirium 1,167]

4 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

 

We'll never know but it's a very populist thing to say around here. But I'll leave that there as we're all enjoying this new score.

 

Nah, I know what you mean. To be fair, I’m partially trolling.

[King Mark 3,631]

Track 2 -Helena's Theme. Nice to hear in good sound quality but I prefer the flute opening of the version he played in concerts than the piano . Somewhat disappointed by this because the 1940's style piano sounds a bit jarring and out of place.

[Brónach 1,302]

1 minute ago, King Mark said:

Track 2 -Helena's Theme. Nice to hear in good sound quality but I prefer the flute opening of the version he played in concert than the piano 

 

great now we need another version

[filmmusic 1,837]

Just now, King Mark said:

Track 2 -Helena's Theme. Nice to hear in good sound quality but I prefer the flute opening of the version he played in concert than the piano 

Yeah, I think it's out of place there, since it doesn't reappear (?) IIRC in the entire track.

[Tydirium 1,167]

Is 2:24 of “Polybius Cipher” a reference to the TLC Nazi theme?

[Pieter Boelen 740]

Just now, Tydirium said:

Is 2:24 a reference to the TLC Nazi theme?

Which track?

[Alex 2,835]

1.42 in Germany, 1944 and I´m expecting the Death Star to appear.

[Tydirium 1,167]

Just now, Pieter Boelen said:

Which track?

 

I edited it quick but not quick enough; sorry. “Polybius Cipher.”

[Jilal 569]

4 minutes ago, Tydirium said:

Is 2:24 of “Polybius Cipher” a reference to the TLC Nazi theme?

 

Seems like a little musical nod indeed

[King Mark 3,631]

Track 3: Germany 1944: Re-hash last crusade music wasting disk space. So is the Indy coda at the end  . Not different enough from the original versions

[filmmusic 1,837]

To those who listened to the whole thing already:

Which track did you play again first? 

[Tydirium 1,167]

7 minutes ago, Brónach said:

 

great now we need another version

 

He performs it at enough concerts these days that we can only hope DG picks up one of them for release!

[Richard Penna 3,694]

I'm 45 minutes in and my only real criticism is jumping around a lot within a cue - Mangold evidently directed in a style where particular moments and ideas couldn't linger and develop before the scene moved on.

 

I'm going to predict Williams was a lot more inspired by this film than KotCS.

[King Mark 3,631]

To Morroco :Nice variations of the Indy theme and Helena's Theme .Good track

[Jilal 569]

7 minutes ago, King Mark said:

Track 3: Germany 1944: Re-hash last crusade music wasting disk space. So is the Indy coda at the end

 

Sounds to me like they re-recorded those ROTLA and TLC bits for the specific purpose of editing them together and thus recreating the temp track. The On the Tank bits, for example, perfectly match the original recording in terms of tempo.

 

Don't quote me on this though, it's just a guess.

[filmmusic 1,837]

2 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

I'm 45 minutes in and my only real criticism is jumping around a lot within a cue - Mangold evidently directed in a style where particular moments and ideas couldn't linger and develop before the scene moved on.

 

 

Wasn't it the same in the Star Wars sequel scores?

[Edmilson 7,466]

I liked the Goldsmith Planet of the Apes-style woodwinds and percussion in 2:50 of Water Ballet. Does anyone know which instrument is this?

[Jurassic Shark 12,080]

Just now, filmmusic said:

Wasn't it the same in the Star Wars sequel scores?

 

Very much so.

[King Mark 3,631]

5-Voller Returns :Secret Doors and Scorpions type of cue . That's the type of music you want on an expanded edition but I have a feeling it's steaking the place of a great highlight

[Richard Penna 3,694]

5 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

Wasn't it the same in the Star Wars sequel scores?

 

Can't comment - never listened to those much. I have a stronger attachment to Indy music.

 

4 minutes ago, King Mark said:

5-Voller Returns :Secret Doors and Scorpions type of cue . That's the type of music you want on an expanded edition but I have a feeling it's steaking the place of a great highlight

 

That cue's way better than SDaS. I think tracks 11-13 are this album's equivalent of KotCS's dull underscory section, and this section is only 10 mins and has plenty of 'things' going on.

[Brónach 1,302]

9 minutes ago, Tydirium said:

 

He performs it at enough concerts these days that we can only hope DG picks up one of them for release!

 

the stuff with the revised concert pieces and the additional concert pieces not in the original recording sessions will always drive me insane

[Jurassic Shark 12,080]

40 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

To Athens is indeed an excellent map cue (well, the second half is) although I'm going to gently push back on the comment above '(nobody else working today could have done it'). The idea that no other composer alive could write that is... well... silly.

 

It's more about taste than ability. 

[Courtney Sees Ghosts 269]

Raw thoughts in real time with each track:

1. Ey Helena's Theme! Hm, that part sounds like the departure motif from TESB.

2. Score Track of the Year no questions asked.

3. BUM BUM BUM BUM BUM BUM BUM!!!!!!

4. B THEME! B THEME! B THEME! Desplat vibes near the end.

5. So evil, yet sounds so lonely. 

6. Getting good flashbacks to TinTin.

7. WHY IS THIS TRACK NOT LONGER?!

8. HELENA AND INDY'S THEMES ON THE SAME TRACK! WOO!!!!

9. I never thought I'd hear my favorite Indy theme ever again. I'm about to cry.

10. That one part sounds lifted directly from Raiders. Making my skin crawl, damn.

11. Who let Randy Newman write a cue?

12. *Aggressive headbobbing*

13. For a non-action cue, this is very intense.

14. STRINGS

15. FINALLY MORE ACTION!!!!

16. THIS IS AMAZING!!!!!

17. Don't cry! Don't cry! Don't cry! Don't cry! Don't cry! Don't cry!

18. So calming.

 

 

Overall, the score sounds really good! Can't get over how short the album is though. Gonna be pissed off when I hear all the wonderful action cues that aren't on the soundtrack when I see the movie. The album needed more action cues fr.

Top 5 Favorite Tracks:
Helena's Theme
New York, 1969
Tuk Tuk in Tangiers
Battle of Syracuse
Auction At Hotel L'Atlantique

Can't wait to listen to Helena's Theme so many times that it'll be my most played song on my Spotify Wrapped. Lol

[filmmusic 1,837]

So, Helena's theme with the violin, is really a bonus track, right?

I mean it doesn't appear in the film's end credits, right?

[King Mark 3,631]

6-Auction at Hotel Atlantique. Mix of No Ticket ,Tintin and Whirl through the Academy. Enjoyable

[Richard Penna 3,694]

I'll probably lose the ASM version and put the normal version in its place as a nice post-march coda. Perhaps as I get more familiar I may start to enjoy the ASM version - time will tell. I'm just not sure this was the way to introduce ASM to the soundtrack world on a release.

 

Particularly as we get introduced to the theme in various places, then right at the end we get the entire thing as a sign-off. No need to have it twice.

[Snowster 23]

15 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

To those who listened to the whole thing already:

Which track did you play again first? 

The Airport.

[lairdo 726]

3 minutes ago, Snowster said:

The Airport.

 

I am not surprised to read that response as I thought that was the best moment in the film musically (of which there are a lot). 

[Edmilson 7,466]

4 minutes ago, King Mark said:

6-Auction at Hotel Atlantique. Mix of No Ticket ,Tintin and Whirl through the Academy. Enjoyable

I'm pretty sure this cue was temped with Tintin, and JW had to follow the temp closely.

 

5 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

So, Helena's theme with the violin, is really a bonus track, right?

I mean it doesn't appear in the film's end credits, right?

Apparently yeah, which makes it even sadder that it is taking space from other cues in the album.

 

I mean, it doesn't even have an end titles suite? That's got to be a first for an Indy OST, right?

[Richard Penna 3,694]

I'm not particularly latching onto a prominent theme for Voller - there are some things happening in track 5, but nothing that seems to reappear. Anyone any ideas?

 

After a nearly full listen I'd put this down as a solid 4 stars. A few slightly intangible things, plus the obvious temp tracking/re-recordings and slightly unbalanced nature of some cues prevent it being 5 stars in my book. Plus there isn't a huge, extended action set piece like Jungle Chase - the film seems to move around too much for that.

[King Mark 3,631]

7-Tuktuk in Tangiers: Quite good action cue with action version of Helena's Theme .SW Sequel style

[Snowster 23]

 

8 minutes ago, King Mark said:

6-Auction at Hotel Atlantique. Mix of No Ticket ,Tintin and Whirl through the Academy. Enjoyable

2 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

I'm pretty sure this cue was temped with Tintin, and JW had to follow the temp closely.

I'm with KM on this one. Whether or not it is a result of temp tracking, it is a nice track as it's own. Just to add some more thought and/or confusion, I mentally re-visited HA and the Wet Bandits on my fist listen during the first minute of this particular track... 

[Benhip 21]

Why can’t they release the soundtracks the same hour in the entire world ? It’s horrible, reading all those reactions and not being able to listen to the album !

[King Mark 3,631]

8-To Athens. Best version of Helena's Theme so far and great version of the Raider's March .Highlight,

[Damien F 1,742]

The album tracks aren't taking space from unreleased cues because there is still about 7 minutes of empty space on the album.

[DangerMotif 1,038]

12 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

it doesn't even have an end titles suite? That's got to be a first for an Indy OST, right?

Pretty sure the prologue is it

[Richard Penna 3,694]

The melody at 4:10 onwards in Prologue is reminding me of something and I can't place it...

[King Mark 3,631]

09-Perils of the Deep. Mystery motifs and Marion's Theme (wtf?)

8 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

The melody at 4:10 onwards in Prologue is reminding me of something and I can't place it...

  Please don't tell me it appears nowhere else. This is the absolute best part of the album so far.

 

 

10-Water Ballet: Lots of mysterious things going on and action material at the end. Pretty good.

[Courtney Sees Ghosts 269]

2 hours ago, Edmilson said:

Only 67 minutes of score? With not just one but two versions of Helena's Theme? Really?

 

At this point I think JW is just toying with us. Oh well, our greatest hope is for a FYC or, even better, an isolated score.

Fingers crossed for a score only version of the movie like The Last Jedi.

[Pieter Boelen 740]

7 minutes ago, King Mark said:

09-Perils of the Deep. Mystery motifs and Marion's Theme (wtf?)

Thank you for noticing that!

I thought it was just me.

Whatever is that doing there??

[BrotherSound 2,242]

35 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

I liked the Goldsmith Planet of the Apes-style woodwinds and percussion in 2:50 of Water Ballet. Does anyone know which instrument is this?

 

Sounds like some various high-pitched wood blocks and/or temple blocks:

 

This whole track has some particularly striking orchestrations, right?

[King Mark 3,631]

11-Polybius cypher: Busy cue interesting bits but a bit generic

4 minutes ago, Courtney said:

Fingers crossed for a score only version of the movie like The Last Jedi.

That only happened ONCE in the history of JWfan and I bet it happened with Williams not knowing about it or he would have vetoed it.  Slim chance. 

[Chewy 2,392]

9 minutes ago, King Mark said:

Please don't tell me it appears nowhere else. This is the absolute best part of the album so far.

Don't worry, I can tell you that it appears somewhere else

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

1 minute ago, Chewy said:

Don't worry, I can tell you that it appears somewhere else

What are you winking about?

[Courtney Sees Ghosts 269]

2 minutes ago, King Mark said:

11-Polybius cypher: Busy cue interesting bits

That only happened ONCE in the history of JWfan and I bet it happened with Williams not knowing about it or he would have vetoed it.  Slim chance. 

Pain

Why does John like making us sad? Smh

[King Mark 3,631]

12-The Grafikos. First half has really interesting mysterious music ,followed by Nocturnal Activities copy and then then a cool mini motif

 

13-Archimedes Tomb. Ah finally my favorite new theme returns, except not enough of it.

 

14-The Airport. I assume this scores a confrontation in an Airport and Indy steals an airplane. One of the highlight tracks so far but I bet the unreleased music when he takes off in the plane is even better.

[BrotherSound 2,242]

@Falstaft After noting the surprising lack of snare drum in the Star Wars sequel trilogy, I think you’ll be pleased to hear that the Indy 5 album has plenty of snare! In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s more snare just on the OST than in the entirety of those three scores.

[Alex 2,835]

Has JW ever created so many variations on one theme in a score before? I don´t think even Rey´s Theme was showcased this much.

[King Mark 3,631]

15- Battle of Syracuse. Another highlight and top notch Williams action material. I estimate this track is about 1/3 of the music scoring this sequence though