Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!

[Damien F 1,742]

This is the Tintin OST all over again. Loads of unreleased cues with plenty of empty space left on the album

[DangerMotif 1,038]

2 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said:

New york 1969 is the finale?. Atypical finale name for an indy film

 

short album 😕

 

any chances the cd and lp are longer?

It’s a one cd

[JNHFan2000 2,966]

The only full statement of The Raiders March is the second half of New York, 1969. The rest is just short bursts

[Damien F 1,742]

Is the entire album on that NZ store or just the previews?

[Archive Collection 214]

5 minutes ago, Damien F said:

Is the entire album on that NZ store or just the previews?

 

Entire thing! Should be on Spotify etc. too.

[Damien F 1,742]

27 minutes ago, Chewy said:

1 hour and 7 minutes, I guess we'll have a lot of unreleased music for this movie again...

[Tydirium 1,167]

17 minutes ago, Damien F said:

Germany, 1944 is basically On The Tank from TLC

Yeah, it seems like he basically took a “greatest hits” approach to scoring that scene, rather than actually try to write in that old style… Which is a tad disappointing if so, as I was really looking forward to it based on Mangold’s comments in that recent video interview. Then again, I just rewatched TLC last night and “On the Tank” is a banger, so I can’t entirely blame him. It will probably work great in the film itself, either way.

[Archive Collection 214]

28 minutes ago, Chewy said:

1 hour and 7 minutes, I guess we'll have a lot of unreleased music for this movie again...

 

As always with a JW score... however Mangold has expressed that he is open to an Isolated Score, so let's really push for this and we might make it happen!

[Jurassic Shark 12,080]

36 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said:

 

 

Tracklist

1. Prologue To Indiana Jones And The Dial Of Destiny (6:00)
2. Helena's Theme (3:30)
3. Germany, 1944 (4:42)
4. To Morroco (3:21)
5. Voller Returns (3:06)
6. Auction At Hotel L'Atlantique (2:58)
7. Tuk Tuk In Tangiers (3:35)
8. To Athens (2:17)
9. Perils Of The Deep (2:31)
10. Water Ballet (4:53)
11. Polybius Cypher (2:39)
12. The Grafikos (4:39)
13. Archimedes' Tomb (3:01)
14. The Airport (4:46)
15. Battle Of Syracuse (2:50)
16. Centuries Join Hands (3:02
17. New York, 1969 (4:17)
18. Helena's Theme (For Violin And Orchestra) [feat. Anne-Sophie Mutter] (4:59)

1:07:06

 

Samples

https://music.apple.com/nz/album/indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny/1693678408

 

 

Only 67 minutes of music. At least @Thor's going to be happy!

[Archive Collection 214]

28 minutes ago, DangerMotif said:

Would it make since that the Prologue is the end credits?

Yes, I haven't listened to everything yet, but my guess is that JW moved it to the start of the album as a stronger album opener!

[BrotherSound 2,242]

So great to finally have the studio version of Helena’s theme!

 

I notice the orchestration of the opening has been revised since the concerts to feature piano rather than woodwinds.

[Alex 2,835]

28 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said:

"I've impressed on the great sweet maestro & his team the wish for release of a big fat album w/ as many cues as John can bear, but ultimately it is up to him! As he said, its almost 2 hours of glorious JW score — heroic, bombastic, sly, majestic, sinister, romantic & screwball!"

James Mangold

 

https://twitter.com/mang0ld/status/1629302040106237955?t=xllrasYh2jCXZCJEQT7Hfw&s=19

 

 

Looks like Williams went his own way.

But I don't fully understand. I love Williams. And I love his music. And this is another great one.
But he's been doing it for over 60 years. So he must know his fans, so I don't get why you would just release an hour of music after telling everyone you wrote 2 hours of it for the film

JW really just said

[Tydirium 1,167]

I will say, if he reprises TLC music for the opening sequence yet doesn’t use the classic Nazi theme, it will be a massive missed opportunity!

[toothless 964]

I guess I'll continue to listen to this until the album is released here  

 

 

 

[BrotherSound 2,242]

12 minutes ago, Tydirium said:

I will say, if he reprises TLC music for the opening sequence yet doesn’t use the classic Nazi theme, it will be a massive missed opportunity!

The Raiders, rather than TLC, Nazi theme is present.

[Quppa 117]

Auction At Hotel L'Atlantique reminds me a lot of The Duel from Tintin.

[Tydirium 1,167]

Helena’s theme in “To Athens” is gorgeous!

[Romão 2,274]

One of the worst things about all these legacy sequels Williams has scored in the last few years is how he is almost expected to reprise iconic material from previous movies.

 

In that sense, as an action adventure score, Tintin had much smaller baggage. There was nothing to reprise

[King Mark 3,631]

Ultra stingy 67 minutes-Check

Reprise of unneeded Helena's theme violin version-Check

1 hour+ of unreleased music-Check

"Classic" sounding cues from the opening sequence all unreleased-Check

 

 

This is worse than my "joke" prediction on page 1 of this thread. Seems we have our work cut out for us

[Snowster 23]

Listening to the soundtrack now. I'm at track 7 (Tuk Tuk in Tangiers), and I have to say that I'm not a bit disappointed. I can hear the 'been there done that' stuff maybe mentioned or referenced by some of you, whether it is TLC or Tintin etc, but so what? Listen to any great composer and there is the signature sound that can and will always be recognised. Of course there is a huge difference between direct lifting or tracking of old stuff into a new movie, but I found the tintinesque bits, as an example, enjoyable rather than annoying or disappointing.

[Quppa 117]

After an incomplete listen I'm somehow reminded more of the Star Wars prequel and Harry Potter scores than anything else (which is great, I should add). The truncated release isn't exactly a surprise, so I'll just cross my fingers and hope for a good quality FYC release and/or isolated sound track on the Blu-ray release.

[Chewy 2,392]

The Prologue track is amazing 

Big goosebumps from this, John Williams is a genius, he's still got it, I'm so happy right now.

[Richard Penna 3,694]

Hey, at least we only have one instance of the Raiders March, and not a reprise of that too. It's not quite as bad as I'd feared.

 

Williams had an impossible task here to fulfil all expectations plus it's now clear Mangold wanted a lot of direct reprisals of material from the previous movies (I wasn't prepared for how literal the 'On the Tank' lift is).

[pete 907]

Just listening to the samples and looking at the tracklist - it seems like any 60s/70sish music didn't make it to the soundtrack? Nothing from the horse chase and Apollo parade, not that I know if those scenes had music.

[Obi 404]

I absolutely love every tracks on this album.

The Prologue, Helena's Theme (without ASM), Tuk Tuk in Tangiers, The Airport and Battle of Syracuse are fantastics.

 

Glorious day.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

39 minutes ago, Tydirium said:

I will say, if he reprises TLC music for the opening sequence yet doesn’t use the classic Nazi theme, it will be a massive missed opportunity!

indeed

[ragoz350 450]

Heh, I'm very glad for the loud mix of harps.  And a real celeste (after the synth in the sequel trilogy).

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

28 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:

The Raiders, rather than TLC, Nazi theme is present.

Damn, i dont like Raiders nazi 'motif' so much

[Edmilson 7,466]

Only 67 minutes of score? With not just one but two versions of Helena's Theme? Really?

 

At this point I think JW is just toying with us. Oh well, our greatest hope is for a FYC or, even better, an isolated score.

[Damien F 1,742]

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[michael_grig 472]

Truly great music! The mix as well, crisp clear. Personally, I only don't like the timpani sound, much too close. This is the case in most recent film scores, though... Everything else I love, the Celeste in particular is indeed well done here! And the brass

[Chewy 2,392]

3 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

At this point I think JW is just toying with us. Oh well, our greatest hope is for a FYC or, even better, an isolated score.

Or a deluxe edition coming later!

[Smaug The Iron 516]

I love it. The only problem is that it is to short. Great hearing Raiders March again.

[Alex 2,835]

I do enjoy the modern recordings of the old themes. The brass in the "On the Tank" quotes are great.

[DangerMotif 1,038]

5 minutes ago, Alex said:

I do enjoy the modern recordings of the old themes. The brass in the "On the Tank" quotes are great.

The track really sounds vintage

[Taikomochi 1,136]

It also helps that TLC album sounds awful, so while I don’t really want material to be restated, I’m excited to hear it with a much better mix

[jocores 96]

Are you guys listening through a VPN or what?

 

[Bespin 8,484]

That's a big moment of emotion this morning.

The latest John Williams release always leaves us thinking that it could be the truly final score...

John Williams, a worthy heir to the greats Korngold, Steiner, and Newman, embodies the pinnacle of a glorious musical tradition. His genius perpetuates an unforgettable legacy, ready to write the final chapter with brilliance.

[Richard Penna 3,694]

Prologue is more fun than I expected given it's 6 minutes long. Nice use of brass throughout.

[sulix 22]

YouTube playlist for places where it's out:

 

Sounding good so far: the variations on Helena's theme seem to showcase it a bit better than just the concert versions, IMO.

[Muad'Dib 1,802]

The brass sound really, really good! I'd dare say the best sounding brass in all the post-prequel trilogy era. 

 

Also, as the album says Conducted by JW, this might indicate that a good chunk of the unreleased material was perhaps conducted by Ross.

 

 

[Damien F 1,742]

Just now, Muad'Dib said:

 

 

Also, as the album says Conducted by JW, this might indicate that a good chunk of the unreleased material was perhaps conducted by Ross.

 

 

That's a very good point and may explain the short album. #ReleaseTheRossCut

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

"To Athens" is nothing but Williams magic. Nobody else working today could have given us something like that. That could be the only new track and I'd be a happy camper and be prepared to say the film more than justified existing if only to give us a track like that. Holy shit.

[DangerMotif 1,038]

8 minutes ago, Cerebral Cortex said:

"To Athens" is nothing but Williams magic. Nobody else working today could have given us something like that. That could be the only new track and I'd be a happy camper and be prepared to say the film more than justified existing if only to give us a track like that. Holy shit.

I assume it’s a map cue

[King Mark 3,631]

Alright I'll post comments as I listen

 

1-Prologue :The haunting  new theme in the last 2 minutes is absolutely amazing and georgeous .I'm stuck on repeating it a few times before I move on

[Richard Penna 3,694]

The Airport is far better than what JW tried to achieve with the finale of KotCS.

 

Also I think Helena's theme works far better in 'sprinkled' form than it does in concert form.

 

To Athens is indeed an excellent map cue (well, the second half is) although I'm going to gently push back on the comment above '(nobody else working today could have done it'). The idea that no other composer alive could write that is... well... silly.

[Alex 2,835]

The Battle of Syracuse is a fascinating cue

[Tydirium 1,167]

9 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

To Athens is indeed an excellent map cue (well, the second half is) although I'm going to gently push back on the comment above '(nobody else working today could have done it'). The idea that no other composer alive could write that is... well... silly.

 

What are the chances that someone else could have written the exact same thing (same notes, rhythms, orchestrations) that Williams came up with?

[Richard Penna 3,694]

Also, Tuk Tuk is definitely better heard in full form than in a clip covered in dialogue and fx. It's basically a far more exciting extended treatment of Helena's theme.

[Alex 2,835]

Just now, Richard Penna said:

Also, Tuk Tuk is definitely better heard in full form than in a clip covered in dialogue and fx. It's basically a far more exciting extended treatment of Helena's theme.

 

I am also glad they didn´t shoehorn in the quotes from other films into the album recording.