Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tydirium said: What are the chances that someone else could have written the exact same thing (same notes, rhythms, orchestrations) that Williams came up with? We'll never know but it's a very populist thing to say around here. But I'll leave that there as we're all enjoying this new score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: We'll never know but it's a very populist thing to say around here. But I'll leave that there as we're all enjoying this new score. Nah, I know what you mean. To be fair, I’m partially trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Track 2 -Helena's Theme. Nice to hear in good sound quality but I prefer the flute opening of the version he played in concerts than the piano . Somewhat disappointed by this because the 1940's style piano sounds a bit jarring and out of place. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brónach 1,302 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 minute ago, King Mark said: Track 2 -Helena's Theme. Nice to hear in good sound quality but I prefer the flute opening of the version he played in concert than the piano great now we need another version Pieter Boelen, bollemanneke and Jurassic Shark 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,839 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, King Mark said: Track 2 -Helena's Theme. Nice to hear in good sound quality but I prefer the flute opening of the version he played in concert than the piano Yeah, I think it's out of place there, since it doesn't reappear (?) IIRC in the entire track. Courtney Sees Ghosts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Is 2:24 of “Polybius Cipher” a reference to the TLC Nazi theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, Tydirium said: Is 2:24 a reference to the TLC Nazi theme? Which track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 1.42 in Germany, 1944 and I´m expecting the Death Star to appear. Pieter Boelen, ragoz350, michael_grig and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, Pieter Boelen said: Which track? I edited it quick but not quick enough; sorry. “Polybius Cipher.” Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Tydirium said: Is 2:24 of “Polybius Cipher” a reference to the TLC Nazi theme? Seems like a little musical nod indeed Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Track 3: Germany 1944: Re-hash last crusade music wasting disk space. So is the Indy coda at the end . Not different enough from the original versions Obi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,839 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 To those who listened to the whole thing already: Which track did you play again first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, Brónach said: great now we need another version He performs it at enough concerts these days that we can only hope DG picks up one of them for release! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 I'm 45 minutes in and my only real criticism is jumping around a lot within a cue - Mangold evidently directed in a style where particular moments and ideas couldn't linger and develop before the scene moved on. I'm going to predict Williams was a lot more inspired by this film than KotCS. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 To Morroco :Nice variations of the Indy theme and Helena's Theme .Good track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, King Mark said: Track 3: Germany 1944: Re-hash last crusade music wasting disk space. So is the Indy coda at the end Sounds to me like they re-recorded those ROTLA and TLC bits for the specific purpose of editing them together and thus recreating the temp track. The On the Tank bits, for example, perfectly match the original recording in terms of tempo. Don't quote me on this though, it's just a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,839 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I'm 45 minutes in and my only real criticism is jumping around a lot within a cue - Mangold evidently directed in a style where particular moments and ideas couldn't linger and develop before the scene moved on. Wasn't it the same in the Star Wars sequel scores? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,471 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 I liked the Goldsmith Planet of the Apes-style woodwinds and percussion in 2:50 of Water Ballet. Does anyone know which instrument is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Just now, filmmusic said: Wasn't it the same in the Star Wars sequel scores? Very much so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 5-Voller Returns :Secret Doors and Scorpions type of cue . That's the type of music you want on an expanded edition but I have a feeling it's steaking the place of a great highlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, filmmusic said: Wasn't it the same in the Star Wars sequel scores? Can't comment - never listened to those much. I have a stronger attachment to Indy music. 4 minutes ago, King Mark said: 5-Voller Returns :Secret Doors and Scorpions type of cue . That's the type of music you want on an expanded edition but I have a feeling it's steaking the place of a great highlight That cue's way better than SDaS. I think tracks 11-13 are this album's equivalent of KotCS's dull underscory section, and this section is only 10 mins and has plenty of 'things' going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, Tydirium said: He performs it at enough concerts these days that we can only hope DG picks up one of them for release! the stuff with the revised concert pieces and the additional concert pieces not in the original recording sessions will always drive me insane Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 40 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: To Athens is indeed an excellent map cue (well, the second half is) although I'm going to gently push back on the comment above '(nobody else working today could have done it'). The idea that no other composer alive could write that is... well... silly. It's more about taste than ability. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Courtney Sees Ghosts 269 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 Raw thoughts in real time with each track: 1. Ey Helena's Theme! Hm, that part sounds like the departure motif from TESB. 2. Score Track of the Year no questions asked. 3. BUM BUM BUM BUM BUM BUM BUM!!!!!! 4. B THEME! B THEME! B THEME! Desplat vibes near the end. 5. So evil, yet sounds so lonely. 6. Getting good flashbacks to TinTin. 7. WHY IS THIS TRACK NOT LONGER?! 8. HELENA AND INDY'S THEMES ON THE SAME TRACK! WOO!!!! 9. I never thought I'd hear my favorite Indy theme ever again. I'm about to cry. 10. That one part sounds lifted directly from Raiders. Making my skin crawl, damn. 11. Who let Randy Newman write a cue? 12. *Aggressive headbobbing* 13. For a non-action cue, this is very intense. 14. STRINGS 15. FINALLY MORE ACTION!!!! 16. THIS IS AMAZING!!!!! 17. Don't cry! Don't cry! Don't cry! Don't cry! Don't cry! Don't cry! 18. So calming. Overall, the score sounds really good! Can't get over how short the album is though. Gonna be pissed off when I hear all the wonderful action cues that aren't on the soundtrack when I see the movie. The album needed more action cues fr. Top 5 Favorite Tracks: Helena's Theme New York, 1969 Tuk Tuk in Tangiers Battle of Syracuse Auction At Hotel L'Atlantique Can't wait to listen to Helena's Theme so many times that it'll be my most played song on my Spotify Wrapped. Lol Obi, BrotherSound, Brando and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,839 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 So, Helena's theme with the violin, is really a bonus track, right? I mean it doesn't appear in the film's end credits, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 6-Auction at Hotel Atlantique. Mix of No Ticket ,Tintin and Whirl through the Academy. Enjoyable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 I'll probably lose the ASM version and put the normal version in its place as a nice post-march coda. Perhaps as I get more familiar I may start to enjoy the ASM version - time will tell. I'm just not sure this was the way to introduce ASM to the soundtrack world on a release. Particularly as we get introduced to the theme in various places, then right at the end we get the entire thing as a sign-off. No need to have it twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowster 23 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 15 minutes ago, filmmusic said: To those who listened to the whole thing already: Which track did you play again first? The Airport. filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Snowster said: The Airport. I am not surprised to read that response as I thought that was the best moment in the film musically (of which there are a lot). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,471 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, King Mark said: 6-Auction at Hotel Atlantique. Mix of No Ticket ,Tintin and Whirl through the Academy. Enjoyable I'm pretty sure this cue was temped with Tintin, and JW had to follow the temp closely. 5 minutes ago, filmmusic said: So, Helena's theme with the violin, is really a bonus track, right? I mean it doesn't appear in the film's end credits, right? Apparently yeah, which makes it even sadder that it is taking space from other cues in the album. I mean, it doesn't even have an end titles suite? That's got to be a first for an Indy OST, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 I'm not particularly latching onto a prominent theme for Voller - there are some things happening in track 5, but nothing that seems to reappear. Anyone any ideas? After a nearly full listen I'd put this down as a solid 4 stars. A few slightly intangible things, plus the obvious temp tracking/re-recordings and slightly unbalanced nature of some cues prevent it being 5 stars in my book. Plus there isn't a huge, extended action set piece like Jungle Chase - the film seems to move around too much for that. Pieter Boelen and filmmusic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 7-Tuktuk in Tangiers: Quite good action cue with action version of Helena's Theme .SW Sequel style Courtney Sees Ghosts, Tydirium and Pieter Boelen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowster 23 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, King Mark said: 6-Auction at Hotel Atlantique. Mix of No Ticket ,Tintin and Whirl through the Academy. Enjoyable 2 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I'm pretty sure this cue was temped with Tintin, and JW had to follow the temp closely. I'm with KM on this one. Whether or not it is a result of temp tracking, it is a nice track as it's own. Just to add some more thought and/or confusion, I mentally re-visited HA and the Wet Bandits on my fist listen during the first minute of this particular track... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benhip 21 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Why can’t they release the soundtracks the same hour in the entire world ? It’s horrible, reading all those reactions and not being able to listen to the album ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 8-To Athens. Best version of Helena's Theme so far and great version of the Raider's March .Highlight, Courtney Sees Ghosts, Cerebral Cortex and Tydirium 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Damien F 1,742 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 The album tracks aren't taking space from unreleased cues because there is still about 7 minutes of empty space on the album. Taikomochi, Edmilson and Tydirium 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 12 minutes ago, Edmilson said: it doesn't even have an end titles suite? That's got to be a first for an Indy OST, right? Pretty sure the prologue is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 The melody at 4:10 onwards in Prologue is reminding me of something and I can't place it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 09-Perils of the Deep. Mystery motifs and Marion's Theme (wtf?) 8 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: The melody at 4:10 onwards in Prologue is reminding me of something and I can't place it... Please don't tell me it appears nowhere else. This is the absolute best part of the album so far. 10-Water Ballet: Lots of mysterious things going on and action material at the end. Pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Courtney Sees Ghosts 269 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Edmilson said: Only 67 minutes of score? With not just one but two versions of Helena's Theme? Really? At this point I think JW is just toying with us. Oh well, our greatest hope is for a FYC or, even better, an isolated score. Fingers crossed for a score only version of the movie like The Last Jedi. Edmilson, Pieter Boelen and Brando 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, King Mark said: 09-Perils of the Deep. Mystery motifs and Marion's Theme (wtf?) Thank you for noticing that! I thought it was just me. Whatever is that doing there?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 35 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I liked the Goldsmith Planet of the Apes-style woodwinds and percussion in 2:50 of Water Ballet. Does anyone know which instrument is this? Sounds like some various high-pitched wood blocks and/or temple blocks: This whole track has some particularly striking orchestrations, right? Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 11-Polybius cypher: Busy cue interesting bits but a bit generic 4 minutes ago, Courtney said: Fingers crossed for a score only version of the movie like The Last Jedi. That only happened ONCE in the history of JWfan and I bet it happened with Williams not knowing about it or he would have vetoed it. Slim chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,396 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, King Mark said: Please don't tell me it appears nowhere else. This is the absolute best part of the album so far. Don't worry, I can tell you that it appears somewhere else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Chewy said: Don't worry, I can tell you that it appears somewhere else What are you winking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtney Sees Ghosts 269 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, King Mark said: 11-Polybius cypher: Busy cue interesting bits That only happened ONCE in the history of JWfan and I bet it happened with Williams not knowing about it or he would have vetoed it. Slim chance. Pain Why does John like making us sad? Smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 12-The Grafikos. First half has really interesting mysterious music ,followed by Nocturnal Activities copy and then then a cool mini motif 13-Archimedes Tomb. Ah finally my favorite new theme returns, except not enough of it. 14-The Airport. I assume this scores a confrontation in an Airport and Indy steals an airplane. One of the highlight tracks so far but I bet the unreleased music when he takes off in the plane is even better. Courtney Sees Ghosts and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted June 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2023 @Falstaft After noting the surprising lack of snare drum in the Star Wars sequel trilogy, I think you’ll be pleased to hear that the Indy 5 album has plenty of snare! In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s more snare just on the OST than in the entirety of those three scores. Cerebral Cortex, Falstaft and Courtney Sees Ghosts 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Has JW ever created so many variations on one theme in a score before? I don´t think even Rey´s Theme was showcased this much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 15- Battle of Syracuse. Another highlight and top notch Williams action material. I estimate this track is about 1/3 of the music scoring this sequence though Courtney Sees Ghosts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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