BB-8 3,479 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 There may or may not be a causal link. But the same messenger is apparently being secretive about some JW score(s)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Jay said: Is there any reason to assume this post was related to the one the thread is about? We could just name this "The Official Mark Graham Instagram thread" On 20/02/2024 at 12:47 AM, Not Mr. Big said: The Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man Movie Fixed. Williams will pick up from where Horner and Zimmer left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,369 Posted March 19 Popular Post Share Posted March 19 New Mark Graham video. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4tHYdwvAhR/ Here's some screen caps as I watch He says the sketch he picked up from Williams a few weeks ago was updates to an arrangement for a concert And then he said that at 11AM PST today, there is a recording of Star Wars music. Maybe Williams wrote something for The Acolyte? Goldsmith The Omen: Muad'Dib, WilliamsStarShip2282, Martinland and 6 others 3 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,513 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Interesting. Mostly familiar stuff, but there's one that says "84 Beacon Street", I think. I wonder what that is? Isn't that the address of the Cheers bar in Boston? Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,369 Posted March 19 Popular Post Share Posted March 19 Star Wars 1977 BrotherSound, Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Martinland and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 9 minutes ago, Jay said: Star Wars 1977 unfortunately this part lagged out for over a minute in the livestream, it seems the uploaded version is missing a large chunk here, it basically skips the entire Star Wars section minus a very brief part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Yup lots of weird glitches in the uploaded version Interesting that everything inside this box was clearly photocopies and not the originals Alien 3 ragoz350, Yavar Moradi and BB-8 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted March 19 Popular Post Share Posted March 19 Aren't the originals leather bound in JW's place? GerateWohl, JTN, BrotherSound and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,664 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 My guess is that the rush was Just Down West Street, unless he tweaked the concerto again (but somehow I doubt that). It is interesting how he goes from "It was not SW" to "there is a SW recording today." All it confirms is SW, not JW, yet he was mentioning JW in the same breath. Cool if it was. If so, my guess is that he was not suppose to say even that much. BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,479 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Mark showed us through a "chamber of secrets". WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 I still don't really see there being a strong correlation here for "new JW project" but we'll see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,664 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Is JKMS the default for most Hollywood composers? If not, then that would increase the probability of the new SW project being Williams related. However, if everyone (or at least Lucasfilm) uses them as the default, then it could be anyone. Such an odd little combination of events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 There's a piece called "By The Sea" on the top shelf in the first picture. Anyone ever heard of that before? Sounds a little Jawsy. And two Heartwoods..... One for a smaller ensemble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,513 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, pete said: There's a piece called "By The Sea" on the top shelf in the first picture. Anyone ever heard of that before? Sounds a little Jawsy. "By the Beautiful Sea" is a track on Adolph Deutsch's THE APARTMENT (on which Williams plays piano), but I doubt that's it. JAWS sounds more likely. Same as my aforementioned "84 Beacon Street", which I don't believe is just another name for "Down the Street, to the Left" or whatever the name is....some mysterious names in there. That kind of stuff is my main takeaway here, couldn't care less about seeing STAR WARS sketches and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post karelm 2,914 Posted March 21 Popular Post Share Posted March 21 On 19/03/2024 at 11:14 AM, Jay said: Star Wars 1977 My pictures while examining those sheets. Was such a thrill to hold the original, hand written full scores! Three piles, A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. CGCJ, Ludwig, Jurassic Shark and 14 others 5 4 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 Cool. What was your reason for examining them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,356 Posted March 21 Popular Post Share Posted March 21 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Cool. What was your reason for examining them? Standard checkup, happens when you are almost in your 50's. karelm, Brando and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 5 hours ago, karelm said: My pictures while examining those sheets. Was such a thrill to hold the original, hand written full scores! Three piles, A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. Woah that's awesome! Did the piles include any source music? (e.g. Ewok Drums, Cantina Band, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loert 2,515 Posted March 21 Popular Post Share Posted March 21 What I would give to be in that room now... Holko, Andy, karelm and 6 others 1 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post karelm 2,914 Posted March 22 Popular Post Share Posted March 22 6 hours ago, enderdrag64 said: Woah that's awesome! Did the piles include any source music? (e.g. Ewok Drums, Cantina Band, etc.) It had everything I thought to check. With that said, I didn't think to check some of those! I did see the soundtrack and also arranged cues meant for the soundtrack album but might not be in the film. I do recall a cantina band or two but those weren't my main focus. 11 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Cool. What was your reason for examining them? I was working on the music of official Star Wars projects so got permission to study the originals. It's crazy to think I was sitting alone with the Herb Spencer original pencil scores and could literally have changed it if I felt like it. 4 hours ago, Loert said: What I would give to be in that room now... Exactly how I felt! I actually briefly considered running out as fast as I could with those! Luckily, I didn't act on that urge. enderdrag64, JTN, Loert and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,200 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 28 minutes ago, karelm said: It's crazy to think I was sitting alone with the Herb Spencer original pencil scores and could literally have changed it if I felt like it. William Ross wrote Star Wars confirmed! enderdrag64 and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 54 minutes ago, karelm said: It had everything I thought to check. With that said, I didn't think to check some of those! I did see the soundtrack and also arranged cues meant for the soundtrack album but might not be in the film. I do recall a cantina band or two but those weren't my main focus. Ah okay. Did you take any other pictures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingPin 201 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 On 20/3/2024 at 12:32 AM, pete said: There's a piece called "By The Sea" on the top shelf in the first picture. Anyone ever heard of that before? Sounds a little Jawsy. And two Heartwoods..... One for a smaller ensemble? I would venture to guess it is Williams’ arrangement of By the Beautiful Sea listed in this program I pulled from the BSO Archives, the lyrics of which go “By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea…” This piece was played at multiple performances that week, one of which I had actually attended back when I was in high school. I don’t remember much about the arrangement other than that it was in a similar vein as his Hooray for Hollywood arrangement and that (you guessed correctly!) it featured a brief quote of the Jaws bass line at the very end of the piece. Anyone curious about how the tune sounds (though not the same arrangement) can listen to The Ferris Wheel Sequence from Williams’ score to 1941. Once and pete 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 6 hours ago, karelm said: I was working on the music of official Star Wars projects so got permission to study the originals. It's crazy to think I was sitting alone with the Herb Spencer original pencil scores and could literally have changed it if I felt like it. Cool, but did you really need to study the originals? I assume there's photocopies available. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JTN 2,031 Posted March 22 Popular Post Share Posted March 22 On 21/02/2024 at 3:28 PM, BB-8 said: John Williams on his way to the golf course Looks like young Anakin. 9 hours ago, karelm said: It's crazy to think I was sitting alone with the Herb Spencer original pencil scores and could literally have changed it if I felt like it. It is indeed crazy. Or you could have eaten it to have its power. Loert, Mr. Hooper and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr. Hooper 1,793 Posted March 22 Popular Post Share Posted March 22 The preservationist in me was squeamish at seeing the sheets just stacked in boxes and held together with clips... I'd put them individually in mylar with a sheet of MicroChamber Interleaving Paper! TheUlyssesian, JTN, BB-8 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,664 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 I don't want to sound too stupid, for it is still morning where I am. But if an original SW sketch was sold at auction, how could these be complete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hooper 1,793 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 5 minutes ago, Tom said: I don't want to sound too stupid, for it is still morning where I am. But if an original SW sketch was sold at auction, how could these be complete? Wasn't it just a hand-written copy of the first page Williams did to present as a gift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,664 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 I guess I was assuming it was not a copy, but if so, then it makes more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,031 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 As @Jurassic Sharkhas pointed it out, the original handwritten scores by JW are leather bound at his home. The ones that were used at the recording sessions were done by Herbert W. Spencer when he orchestrated the scores based on JW’s shorthand sketches, then turned to the copyists. Jurassic Shark and enderdrag64 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BB-8 3,479 Posted March 22 Popular Post Share Posted March 22 37 minutes ago, Mr. Hooper said: The preservationist in me was squeamish at seeing the sheets just stacked in boxes and held together with clips... I'd put them individually in mylar with a sheet of MicroChamber Interleaving Paper! Yeah, I also noticed the transparent foil above the John Williams shelves, as if this were a provisional shield against dust and...water. Doesn't all this 'stuff' belong in a museum? Mr. Hooper, enderdrag64 and JTN 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,200 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 34 minutes ago, BB-8 said: Doesn't all this 'stuff' belong in a museum? Sounds like Williams's house *is* a museum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,031 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 13 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Sounds like Williams's house *is* a museum. A museum with no admission for the general public (thank heavens). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,479 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: Sounds like Williams's house *is* a museum. Perhaps Disney will make a theme park around his house (one day). Edmilson and JTN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,200 Posted March 22 Popular Post Share Posted March 22 6 minutes ago, BB-8 said: Perhaps Disney will make a theme park around his house (one day). Curlyland! JTN, BB-8 and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,513 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 12 hours ago, KingPin said: I would venture to guess it is Williams’ arrangement of By the Beautiful Sea listed in this program I pulled from the BSO Archives, the lyrics of which go “By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea…” This piece was played at multiple performances that week, one of which I had actually attended back when I was in high school. I don’t remember much about the arrangement other than that it was in a similar vein as his Hooray for Hollywood arrangement and that (you guessed correctly!) it featured a brief quote of the Jaws bass line at the very end of the piece. Anyone curious about how the tune sounds (though not the same arrangement) can listen to The Ferris Wheel Sequence from Williams’ score to 1941. Great find, KingPin. I've never heard of the song, so I assumed it was an original track on the THE APARTMENT album. Of course, it's called "By the Sea", so not exactly the same thing, but close enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,031 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 18 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Curlyland! Johnnytown(er) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,479 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Legacy Land JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,356 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 "Williamsburg? "Steven got his own place, so I th-" "WILLIAMSBURG?" JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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karelm 2,914 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 On 19/03/2024 at 11:48 AM, Jurassic Shark said: Aren't the originals leather bound in JW's place? The originals are at JAKMS but the resulting full scores are what's in the leather-bound copies. The hand sketches are like first draft, not the cleaned up, revised full scores though with JW, there might not be much difference except one is cleaned up, legible, and the other might have lots of short hand making it hard to follow. A simple example, maybe an instrument switches which system it's on from bar to bar. The orchestrator would clearly understand that shorthand, but it would make the full score difficult to read. Think of it as a handwritten notepad of a story with lines scratched out versus the edited, typeset resulting copy. This is a picture of his library with the leather scores. They are full scores. I can make out Empire of the Sun, Jaws, JFK and a few other gems. John Williams, Hollywood’s Maestro, Looks Beyond the Movies - The New York Times (nytimes.com) Once and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 20 hours ago, KingPin said: I would venture to guess it is Williams’ arrangement of By the Beautiful Sea listed in this program I pulled from the BSO Archives, the lyrics of which go “By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea…” This piece was played at multiple performances that week, one of which I had actually attended back when I was in high school. I don’t remember much about the arrangement other than that it was in a similar vein as his Hooray for Hollywood arrangement and that (you guessed correctly!) it featured a brief quote of the Jaws bass line at the very end of the piece. Anyone curious about how the tune sounds (though not the same arrangement) can listen to The Ferris Wheel Sequence from Williams’ score to 1941. I REALLY miss these longer concerts, which were the norm until he starting doing only half, but I remember the first few years I went he wasn't playing a lot of his own music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Were these CDs ever identified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,664 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Zoom a bit on the third one down, it is pretty obvious. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,479 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 10 hours ago, JTN said: Johnnytown(er) Johnny's Wondrous World JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,031 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 hours ago, crumbs said: Were these CDs ever identified? One of them is Hans’ Man of Steel. JW’s been writing letters to his agent asking for an autograph for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 8 hours ago, crumbs said: Were these CDs ever identified? The Varese Sarabande one seems to be Stanley and Iris. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,031 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 8 hours ago, Tom said: Zoom a bit on the third one down, it is pretty obvious. Also I managed to identify one of the books on JW’s shelf. Tom and BB-8 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,479 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 9 hours ago, crumbs said: Were these CDs ever identified? second from top crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,031 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 11 hours ago, crumbs said: Were these CDs ever identified? Yes, but they are all dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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