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[Yavar Moradi 2,599]

Pretty sure Quartet put out the complete score (and it’s great!)

 

Varese controls Carlito’s Way though, and I desperately hope they expand it eventually!

 

Yavar

[JTN 2,042]

12 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

Pretty sure Quartet put out the complete score (and it’s great!)

Yes, but the clue indicates she’s killing herself softly.  

[Jay 37,373]

The titles are April Fool's Day and Blood Simple

 

 

https://varesesarabande.com/collections/cd-club/products/charles-bernstein-april-fool-s-day-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-deluxe-edition-cd

 

https://varesesarabande.com/collections/cd-club/products/carter-burwell-blood-simple-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-deluxe-edition-cd

 

$3 off if you buy both

 

https://varesesarabande.com/collections/cd/products/april-fools-day-cd-blood-simple-cd-bundle

 

[Richard Penna 3,694]

We couldn't have been more wrong 

 

I thought Blood Simple sounded familiar and I have a promo with that paired with Raising Arizona, but evidently neither appealed to me. Burwell doesn't quite do it for me outside of Fargo and The Alamo.

 

Is it me, or does April Fools' day have nothing to do with either picture?

[Jay 37,373]

I've never seen either film so wouldn't know if the clue images relate to their plots or something

[JTN 2,042]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

I've never seen either film

Me, neither, so now I’m a little confused which one to get.  I think I’ll choose the Burwell. 

[ddddeeee 258]

I love both films, so I'll be getting these. My poor wallet.

[mstrox 6,651]

Hmmmm…I got the OST for April Fools Day as part of that LP to CD mystery box they did a few years ago, and I actually liked it - a good few tracks from it ended up on my Halloween vibes film score playlist.  Kind of interested in the fact that the film program is orchestral, too.

[Marian Schedenig 8,208]

It's interesting how they keep doing relatively obscure scores when there's still a bunch of big ones in the Varese vault (Brainstorm for one, obviously). I'm not sure if that's an indication that they still have dedicated & knowledgeable people coordinating the series (who care for *not only* the big hits), or that they're just randomly releasing stuff now and nobody is making sure that the "important" ones don't get left out.

[Jay 37,373]

Well most of the ones that have made it out the door lately have been through Paramount or Warner Bros, so it could be as simple as they started work on a lot of scores, from a variety of composers, but then many have been held up in the approval process

[Yavar Moradi 2,599]

1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said:

It's interesting how they keep doing relatively obscure scores when there's still a bunch of big ones in the Varese vault (Brainstorm for one, obviously).

 

Blood Simple is obscure? In what universe? It was Carter Burwell's very first film score (one of the most distinctive film scoring debuts in film history) for the debut feature film by the Coen Bros. In terms of how well the films are known, you can check IMDb to see that about ten times as many people (over 100,000) have rated Blood Simple, compared with Brainstorm. (Oh, and for that matter about 5,000 more people have seen/rated April Fool's Day, compared with Brainstorm.)

 

I think the main reason anyone remembers Brainstorm is because of the great James Horner score, but that doesn't mean it's a "big one" while Blood Simple is "obscure". That just tells me you're a Horner fan and not a Burwell fan, for whatever reason.

 

If Brainstorm was easy for Varese to do still at this point, I think they would have done it. For whatever reason, there must be complications.

 

Yavar

[Jay 37,373]

If Varese finally does Brainstorm, I don't know what Horner score to hope for next - the labels have gotten around to every score by him I loved back in the day, now, and all his post-Titanic OST albums that I know are very long and do a great job of covering the highlights  Time to start exploring the depth of his filmography I suppose

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433]

Well we still don't have any Zorro expansions, Fievel Goes West needs an expansion too. As a big fan of Mighty Joe Young and Bobby Stroke of Genius that's two more for me. An expansion for TASM would also be more than welcome

[Yavar Moradi 2,599]

9 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said:

Well we still don't have any Zorro expansions, Fievel Goes West needs an expansion too. As a big fan of Mighty Joe Young and Bobby Stroke of Genius that's two more for me. An expansion for TASM would also be more than welcome

 

Agreed on all of the above, plus I'd want:

1. A complete new recording (or at least an expansion) of Battle Beyond the Stars (1980)

2. Premiere licensed release of The Hand (1981)

3. Premieres of The Dresser (1983) and The Stone Boy (1984) -- even though they are brief

4. Premiere licensed release of Heaven Help Us (1985) -- lovely Celtic Horner that looks forward to a lot of later scores

5. Premiere of Volunteers (1985) -- I know Roger Feigelson has been trying for a long time now

6. Expansions of some of the Disney Horner premieres Intrada did many years ago (i.e. Honey I Shrunk the Kids)

7. Premiere of his rejected score to Young Guns (1988) -- hear five minutes of it (though probably not the original film recording) here:

 

And I think there are still more MCA albums deserving of expansion as well, like Dad.

 

Yavar

[Jay 37,373]

Ah yes, Honey I Shrunk The Kids.  That's up there for me - I love that score, and find that it flows great in complete form, no dead weight.  I like that Horner was around to suggest a non-C&C program for its premiere release on Intrada in 2009, but a proper complete edition would be awesome to have now

[Yavar Moradi 2,599]

Right. IIRC Horner did at least three curated albums for Intrada maybe 15 years ago or more, of his Disney scores... but it would be great if those could all be revisited in complete & chronological form now.

 

Yavar

[Jay 37,373]

Yep!

Honey I Shrunk The Kids,

The Journey of Natty Gann,

and

Something Wicked This Way Comes

 

I'd buy complete editions of all 3!

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433]

I would love a more complete presentation of The Journey of Natty Gann, sadly if the masters are truly lost like Simon Rhodes wrote on the Intrada liner notes, I'm afraid that the current presentation is all we'll ever get. I still hope the masters will surface back or even lower fidelity source, after all the four bonus tracks sounded pretty good

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

1 hour ago, Yavar Moradi said:

Agreed on all of the above, plus I'd want:

 

1. A complete new recording (or at least an expansion) of Battle Beyond the Stars (1980)

That’s the one I’d want. I wish Tadlow would make it happen.

[Marian Schedenig 8,208]

2 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

Blood Simple is obscure? In what universe? It was Carter Burwell's very first film score (one of the most distinctive film scoring debuts in film history) for the debut feature film by the Coen Bros. In terms of how well the films are known, you can check IMDb to see that about ten times as many people (over 100,000) have rated Blood Simple, compared with Brainstorm. (Oh, and for that matter about 5,000 more people have seen/rated April Fool's Day, compared with Brainstorm.)

 

Of course Blood Simple the film isn't obscure. And Burwell is well known and rightfully well respected in film music circles (I don't have much by him myself, but what I have is good, and what I don't still have always elevates the film). And I'm sure hardly anybody remembers Brainstorm the film.

 

I was partly talking from a point of view of people without a specific interest in film music, coming from your earlier comments that the real devotees/insiders have left Varese. Aside from Williams, Shore, and Zimmer, I imagine Horner is one of the few big names from the 90s that people with just a cursory interest in film music might still recognise. Certainly more than Burwell. To put it another way: Horner got his own edition of Hollywood in Vienna. So did Zimmer and Shore, and Williams would have, had he been interested. I can't imagine they'd do one for Burwell, and I'm afraid it probably wouldn't sell out (like all the others have) - I personally would be there, no doubt.

 

And partly even within our community, I'd say Brainstorm is one of the "big missing titles", whereas I don't recall many people yearning for years for a Deluxe Edition of Blood Simple. Likewise, Charles Bernstein isn't unknown, although I'm hardly familiar with his work personally, but I've never heard of this particular film, and I'm fairly sure an announcement of the Brainstorm score would make a much bigger impact.

 

And none of that is to say that these shouldn't be released, or shouldn't be released before something like Brainstorm. Again, I was following your earlier suggestion that the film music insiders had left Varese, and wondering if releases like this are a sign of the people in charge caring enough about the music itself to specifically do releases like this, or so little that they just happen randomly.

[Tallguy 3,401]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

If Varese finally does Brainstorm, I don't know what Horner score to hope for next - the labels have gotten around to every score by him I loved back in the day, now, and all his post-Titanic OST albums that I know are very long and do a great job of covering the highlights  Time to start exploring the depth of his filmography I suppose

 

Sneakers?

[Jay 37,373]

Yea, Brainstorm and Sneakers are surely my top 2 most wanted

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433]

How could I forgot about that one, clearly one his best

[Richard Penna 3,694]

It would definitely be nice to see a proper edition of Honey I Shrunk. I have the existing one and it's fine but definitely feels like an album created for listening and not for preservation.

[JTN 2,042]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

If Varese finally does Brainstorm, I don't know what Horner score to hope for next - the labels have gotten around to every score by him I loved back in the day, now, and all his post-Titanic OST albums that I know are very long and do a great job of covering the highlights  Time to start exploring the depth of his filmography I suppose

RED HEAT

[Richard Penna 3,694]

3 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

 

Blood Simple is obscure? In what universe? It was Carter Burwell's very first film score (one of the most distinctive film scoring debuts in film history) for the debut feature film by the Coen Bros.

 

More obscure, relative to Brainstorm, I'd say. I've only even heard of this film becaue I came across Varese's original release at some point. I think that if you don't follow Burwell that closely it could be considered slightly obscure. A bit like one of JNH's earliest scores, perhaps.

[Jay 37,373]

I would say in the general public, more people have heard of Blood Simple than have heard of Brainstorm (but most have heard of neither)

 

Among cinephiles, more people have heard of Blood Simple than heave heard of Brainstorm (because the Coens went on to make many great films moreso than its own merits)

 

Among film score fans, I'd guess more people would know the Brainstorm score than the Blood Simple score

 

I also think a specialty label would sell more copies of a Brainstorm expansion than a Blood Simple expansion

 

That doesn't mean both shouldn't happen, of course.  All scores deserve to be released in complete form!

[Yavar Moradi 2,599]

1 hour ago, A. A. Ron said:

That’s the one I’d want. I wish Tadlow would make it happen.

 

Alas, Tadlow no longer really exists as a label. James Fitzpatrick retired a few years ago, and this year even stopped fulfilling orders made on the Tadlow website, for existing releases. See this thread:

https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=150551&forumID=1&archive=0

 

Maybe Intrada might consider including it as a future poll option?

 

Yavar

[Tallguy 3,401]

14 hours ago, Richard Penna said:

an album created for listening and not for preservation.

 

I'm all for complete editions and even to me this sounds weird. "Why would we want an album to LISTEN to?!?"

 

The ghost of Jerry is shouting "bottlecaps!" right now.

[BryonDavis 172]

On 04/08/2023 at 2:53 PM, JTW said:

RED HEAT

Somebody is working on it.  Not me sadly.  I tried to get this at both VS (when I was there) and on my own label.  Canal told me rights were granted to somebody but wouldn't say who when I inquired about a vinyl and CD license.  I wound up getting the vinyl rights of my 2nd choice, Deep Star Six.

[Jay 37,373]

@BryonDavis, you're back!  Welcome, welcome.

 

Remember when you said this about Brainstorm?

 

On 25/08/2020 at 10:37 PM, BryonDavis said:

It is a goal of mine to try and make this happen.

 

Can you share with us what difficulties exist in releasing a new edition of this score?

[crumbs 14,318]

So awesome to have you back @BryonDavis!

[DeltaPupJux 47]

I'd like to see expansions of Medicine Man AND Leviathan; both Goldsmith..and Varese! 

[Yavar Moradi 2,599]

Varese has no perpetuity rights on Leviathan -- that was shared on FB years ago. They didn't typically get perpetuity rights agreements in the 1980s (it started at some point later in 1989, apparently). I'm pretty sure Peter Hackman (when he was working at Varese) shared that they DID have perpetuity rights on Medicine Man.  I suspect the hold-up there is Disney ownership. I can't remember the last time Varese licensed something from Disney, but it was a while ago. Medicine Man is my most wanted Varese expansion at this point though.

 

I'll echo the chorus and say I'm very glad to see you back here @BryonDavis!

 

Yavar

[crocodile 8,018]

Oh I would love Medicine Man. Haven't got the original album.

 

Karol

[Jay 37,373]

Yes, Medicine Man is my most wanted Varese-controlled Goldsmith, but the Disney ownership is indeed a bummer.   Does anyone know/remember if Varese has EVER done a Deluxe Edition licensed from Disney?

[Yavar Moradi 2,599]

4 hours ago, Jay said:

Yes, Medicine Man is my most wanted Varese-controlled Goldsmith, but the Disney ownership is indeed a bummer.   Does anyone know/remember if Varese has EVER done a Deluxe Edition licensed from Disney?

They’ve done premiere Club titles licensed from Disney, I know that. I think the Elmer Bernstein rejected scores set were all Disney-owned scores. And of course they’ve done some wide release albums like Mancini’s The Great Mouse Detective and Bernstein’s The Black Cauldron (which was a re-recording for album, reissued as an Encore title several years ago).

 

Yavar

[Andy 4,141]

Shocktober Sale at Varese for anyone who is interested in a medium assortment of moderate savings.   I found it odd that they used the Poster Art from Creepshow 2 in their banner, a title for which they do not have the rights. 
 

https://varesesarabande.com/collections/shocktober-2023?utm_source=Varese+Sarabande&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=vs_newsletter_930

[Corellian2019 386]

Does anyone know why Blood Simple is still only available to pre-order on the Varese site but it's already available at Intrada and SAE?

[Jay 37,373]

Sale containing a lot of Club titles:

 

https://varesesarabande.com/collections/curtain-call-sale-2023

[Ollie 1,059]

New club titles Friday.

 

 

[OneBuckFilms 323]

Curious to see what Varese have added.

 

[mstrox 6,651]

I have a good feeling about this Varese batch!

 

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[Jay 37,373]

Brainstorm and Hudson Hawk please!

[Tydirium 1,167]

Brainstorm would be so great!

[Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433]

Brainstorm and a reissue of Starship Troopers (slightly more complete) would end the year with hell of a bang

[Jay 37,373]

Starship Troopers produced by Mike and/or Neil would be a dream come true

[Yavar Moradi 2,599]

These would be Deluxe Edition dreams come true for me:

 

Year of the Comet (John Barry, rejected score Varese apparently controls)

 

Frankie Starlight (Elmer Bernstein)

 

SeaQuest DSV Vol. 2 (Don Davis)

 

Paulie (John Debney)

The Scorpion King (John Debney)

Sudden Death (John Debney)

 

Black Robe (Georges Delerue)

 

Christopher Columbus: The Discovery (Cliff Eidelman)

A Simple Twist of Fate (Cliff Eidelman)

 

Carlito's Way (Patrick Doyle)

 

Final Analysis (George Fenton)

 

Demolition Man (Elliot Goldenthal)

Sphere (Elliot Goldenthal)

 

The Ballad of Cable Hogue (Jerry Goldsmith)

Medicine Man (Jerry Goldsmith)

The Mephisto Waltz (Jerry Goldsmith)

Mom and Dad Save the World (Jerry Goldsmith)

The Other (Jerry Goldsmith)

Our Man Flint (Jerry Goldsmith)

 

Mists of Avalon (Lee Holdridge)

 

The Happening (James Newton Howard)

 

Bliss (Jan Kaczmarek)

Unfaithful (Jan Kaczmarek)

 

Hudson Hawk (Michael Kamen and Robert Kraft)

 

Gold Diggers (Joel McNeely)

Soldier (Joel McNeely)
Terminal Velocity (Joel McNeely)

 

X-Men III: The Last Stand (John Powell)

 

For the Love of the Game (Basil Poledouris)

Hot Shots! Part Deux (Basil Poledouris)

 

The Secret Garden (Zbigniew Preisner) -- so much of this great score is unreleased!

 

Forever Amber (David Raksin) -- arguably his magnum opus!

 

Power Rangers: The Movie (Graeme Revell)

Street Fighter (Graeme Revell)

 

M Butterfly (Howard Shore)

 

Mobsters (Michael Small)

Wagons East! (Michael Small)

 

Memoirs of an Invisible Man (Shirley Walker)

 

The Dark Half (Christopher Young)

 

Plus remastered album recording and premiere release of film recording for Eye of the Needle (Rozsa), Brainstorm (Horner), and Pee-Wee's Big Adventure (Elfman).

 

Yavar

[OneBuckFilms 323]

Personally I'd LOVE a release of Brainstorm with both the film score and the re-recording already published.

 

There are significant differences between the score in the film and the album.

[Andy 4,141]

So we all agree then. Brainstorm confirmed!!!