Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Jay said: I'd guess everyone involved would have preferred if they had some other sort of dialogue in that moment but what can you do Yeah. There was zero need to put that line in there, it added nothing to the story or Indiana's character. I don't even think most audiences thought of the age gap in that way. They could have left it at Indiana broke the heart of his mentor's daughter, that would have been wrong enough, and left it at that. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2021 I always thought the "I was a child" line as more just a way of saying that she was naive and inexperienced, not a literal child Nick1Ø66, WampaRat, Remco and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 The first part of what she says could absolutely be read that way "I was a child, I was in love." But then, there's the second part of what she says that doesn't really have as many ways of interpreting it... "It was wrong and you knew it!" And then there's Indy's response to it... "You knew what you were doing." Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Just now, Not Mr. Big said: I always thought the "I was a child" line as more just a way of saying that she was naive and inexperienced, not a literal child That's exactly my interpretation of that line also. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 I also didn't understand it as a reference to her actual age. Also, I thought the "wrong" line was a reference to him being playing with her heart when he knew fully well how she felt about him. Her knowing what she was doing would be a reference of her knowing what he's like and going with it anyway. And even if we take her age into account (which, I think, is only mentioned in the script) the age of consent in that period was 16 (I think). But since the film itself doesn't refer to her age in any way it is a non-issue. What's really funny is that people will find issues with this and yet Temple of Doom seems to be made solely out of ingredients designed to trigger modern audiences. I mean, it ticks almost every single box. It's hilarious. 😆 Karol Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,514 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Indiana Jones and the Triggers of Doom crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 4 hours ago, Nick1066 said: Certainly the way Lucas describes it in those script sessions is sleazy That's a transcript of Lucas et al talking, so there's the whole issue of the tone of the conversation which we can't ascertain through the text. I'm told the tone of the conversation here starts off very facetious. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted June 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2021 Well, if you're gonna start looking for problematic stuff in the Indiana Jones movies and his relationship with women (and James Bond too) then we're gonna be here a loooooong time It is true that times were different in the 80's, taking into consideration the time the film takes place, etc... You also got the student with I LOVE YOU in her eyes (that I always thought kinda looked like Marion) that Indy looks incredulously, suggesting that perhaps Indy got around with her students but the movie never expanded upon, which was a common (but wrong) practice of teachers for a long, long time. In another semi-unlreated note, it bothers me how Marion is introduced as this total badass but then they don't really do anything with it. There's only that callback with Beloq, but that's about it. I understand she's really out of her element in the adventure itself, but is she could handle herself in that Tibetan bar I'm sure she could have been more proactive later xD Maybe I'm overthinking it, but I remember thinking Marion was on a league similar to Ripley and upon rewatching the movie I was like.... yeahhh, no. Holko, Yavar Moradi and Edmilson 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted June 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2021 5 hours ago, Muad'Dib said: You also got the student with I LOVE YOU in her eyes (that I always thought kinda looked like Marion) that Indy looks incredulously, suggesting that perhaps Indy got around with her students but the movie never expanded upon, which was a common (but wrong) practice of teachers for a long, long time. I recently listened a podcast episode where they (Retronauts, a video game podcast) discussed this film and one of the hosts said that as originally written and filmed (I believe his source was the Rinzler book), that girl would have been seen in Indy's house. Spielberg was smart to cut that! 5 hours ago, Muad'Dib said: In another semi-unlreated note, it bothers me how Marion is introduced as this total badass but then they don't really do anything with it. It's true. Her introduction is amazing, as is the rest of Nepal and beginning of Cairo. But then she gets captured and doesn't hold her own again the rest of the movie. Muad'Dib, Yavar Moradi, Nick1Ø66 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Jay said: I recently listened a podcast episode where they (Retronauts, a video game podcast) discussed this film and one of the hosts said that as originally written and filmed (I believe his source was the Rinzler book), that girl would have been seen in Indy's house. Spielberg was smart to cut that! That seems like that would conflict with Spielberg's usual story that 1st AD David Tomblin came up with the "Love You" thing on the day of shooting, just picking a random girl in the front row. Unless they considered adding her to another scene afterward, but Spielberg's always made it out like that wasn't in the script. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted June 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2021 5 hours ago, Jay said: I recently listened a podcast episode where they (Retronauts, a video game podcast) discussed this film and one of the hosts said that as originally written and filmed (I believe his source was the Rinzler book), that girl would have been seen in Indy's house. Spielberg was smart to cut that! It's like Lucas was going for the James Bond ladies man thing, and that's how he saw a ladies man acting. The scene you're talking about is when Marcus shows up at Indy's house...that's why Indy is seen putting his robe on. The girl (I don't think it was necessarily the I love you eyes girl) was supposed to be coming out of the bedroom and Indy sent her on her way. No doubt with a pat on the butt. James Bond could pull that off, but the way Lucas wanted to do it seems creepy. The whole thing is actually revealing as to the really odd view of intimate relationships Lucas had. In that case, his ideas came from Bond. But it also reminds me of the weird, awkward romance in Attack of the Clones where Lucas had Padme & Anakin running at each other through a green meadow, ala the Sound of Music. Or the rest of the way their relationship is portrayed. It's almost as if he's stuck with ideas about relationships he formed watching movies when he was younger, and never grew out of it. 5 hours ago, Jay said: It's true. Her introduction is amazing, as is the rest of Nepal and beginning of Cairo. But then she gets captured and doesn't hold her own again the rest of the movie. Yeah, I've made this point before. It all starts well enough, but after Nepal it's just screaming and running. The trouble with her is the noise. Muad'Dib, Chen G., Holko and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Nick1066 said: The whole thing is actually revealing as to the really odd view of intimate relationships Lucas had. It'd be interesting to have a look at the second draft of The Empire Strikes Back, the only draft of that film actually written by Lucas, and see how the Han-Leia relationship fares in that one. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Interesting, level-headed discussion . @Edmilson ... I in no way condone or excuse abuse either, just to be clear on that. I also have a friend who's been through it ... she consequently has depression, but she's an amazingly strong person. I admire her so, so much. It's just that I tire of the seeming obsession of the modern generation with judgementally tearing down everything MY generation enjoyed because it doesn't measure up to their *standards*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Sweeping Strings said: It's just that I tire of the seeming obsession of the modern generation with judgementally tearing down everything The difference between the level-headed man of the 21st century and the Twitterati is that the former can acknowledge problematic aspects in a piece of art as problematic without them (a) condemning the piece as a whole or (b) necessitating the piece being "cancelled." The Indy example is a lighterweight: Wait until Twitter discovers James Bond ostensibly raping Pussy Galore into being straight. Does it detract from Goldfinger for me? Absolutely. Does it mean its a despicable work that should be scrapped? No. HunterTech and Yavar Moradi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWFan Moderators 100 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Since the conversation is veering into political territory, it's time to bring it back to the topic at hand. Thanks. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Chen G. said: Does it detract from Goldfinger for me? Absolutely. Detract in what way? And to circle this back, does any of Indys personal behaviour detract from your enjoyment of those films? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 A lot of people don't like that he behaves like an old guy... when he's an old guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 46 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: Detract in what way? That scene is eye-roll-inducing, awkward and bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,364 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Today’s SF Chronicle has a piece on the 40th anniversary of Raiders’ release to theaters. Nothing in it revelatory, although the writer mentions a couple of Bay Area venues were used in filming (something I didn’t know). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 There's been a lot of Raiders in the news lately, b/c of the anniversary & the 4K release. A podcast I listen to, The Rewatchables, did Raiders for their most recent episode. I wonder which direction Disney will go after this movie....more films with a new (no doubt female) globe-trotting archaeologist, or a Disney+ series? There's no way we don't get more time in the ICU (Indiana Cinematic Universe) after Ford hangs up the fedora. The Mouse didn't buy this property to not monetize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,603 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: There's been a lot of Raiders in the news lately, b/c of the anniversary & the 4K release. A podcast I listen to, The Rewatchables, did Raiders for their most recent episode. I wonder which direction Disney will go after this movie....more films with a new (no doubt female) globe-trotting archaeologist, or a Disney+ series? I mean, don't we already have an established character along those lines? It's hardly anything new: Of course, Carmen Sandiego is I guess a bit shadier than Indiana Jones, but the inspiration is clear I think. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Maybe they can convice Shia to star on a new Disney+ show about his character? It'll be named "Mutt: An Indiana Jones Story". After all, they did conviced Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor to do some more Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: I mean, don't we already have an established character along those lines? It's hardly anything new: Yavar Very true! Yavar Moradi and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,603 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Just now, Nick1066 said: Very true! Well yes that's another example, though in terms of costume I think mine is the clearer link... I have trouble picturing Harrison Ford in that outfit... 13 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: There's no way we don't get more in the ICU (Indiana Cinematic Universe) after Ford hangs up the fedora. The Mouse didn't buy this property to not monetize it. I mean, how long ago did they buy the property? 2012? If they're only releasing a new Indiana Jones film ten years after that, I wouldn't say they exactly rushed to monetize it. Essentially they didn't cash in until a decade after buying it! Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 The hold up on a new Indy film was always Spielberg and the script. Disney wasn't going to do anything without Spielberg driving it, especially given that his long time collaborator is running Lucasfilm. Once Spielberg stepped aside it all came together pretty quickly actually. Assuming this film is successful (and even if its not), Disney will certainly be mining this franchise for more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Show me the money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 15 hours ago, Nick1066 said: There's been a lot of Raiders in the news lately, b/c of the anniversary & the 4K release. A podcast I listen to, The Rewatchables, did Raiders for their most recent episode. I wonder which direction Disney will go after this movie....more films with a new (no doubt female) globe-trotting archaeologist, or a Disney+ series? There's no way we don't get more time in the ICU (Indiana Cinematic Universe) after Ford hangs up the fedora. The Mouse didn't buy this property to not monetize it. The Mutt thing didn't 'land', so this time ... Phoebe Waller-Bridge's character turns out to be a DAUGHTER Indy knew nothing about. Disney is proud to present ... The Adventures Of Diana Jones! Edmilson and Smeltington 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Harrison Ford injuring himself, not for the first time. https://variety.com/2021/film/news/harrison-ford-indiana-jones-5-injury-1235003412/ Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Here we go again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Ugh.... please don't get delayed... please don't get delayed... Well, a fight scene involving his shoulder means throwing a few punches. At least they're keeping things physical! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Meh, if a delay means less conflict with Fabelmans scoring I'm all for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Just now, Jay said: Meh, if a delay means less conflict with Fabelmans scoring I'm all for it Unless it's all been mapped out perfectly and a delay for Indy actually creates a scheduling conflict for JW... Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 22 minutes ago, Alex said: Harrison Ford injuring himself, not for the first time. https://variety.com/2021/film/news/harrison-ford-indiana-jones-5-injury-1235003412/ I'm sure he'll be alright. Let's not forget that this is not the first time Harrison Ford injured himself. He sustained a leg injury while filming Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens, and everything turned out great in the end; he recovered, and things resumed as scheduled. Despite being 78 years old, Harrison Ford is in remarkable shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I really hope this doesn't get delayed. If Indy 5's release date get pushed to November or December, it'll certainly conflict with The Fablemans. And I don't think 90 year old John Williams will be able to score both films with a pretty close release date, like did 20 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Lucasfilm and Disney released a statement: "In the course of rehearsing for a fight scene, Harrison Ford sustained an injury involving his shoulder. Production will continue while the appropriate course of treatment is evaluated, and the filming schedule will be reconfigured as needed in the coming weeks." (Source: https://deadline.com/2021/06/harrison-ford-indiana-jones-5-injures-shoulder-rehearsing-fight-scene-production-shoot-around-recovery-1234780040) I don't think the film release will be delayed. They'll make it work while allowing Harrison Ford to fully recover as needed. Everything will work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 And then he'll have a fun story to tell at the talk shows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 At least it's easier to shoot around a shoulder injury, unlike a leg (TFA) or back injury (TOD). Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 They can make his arm CGI, can't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 2 hours ago, crumbs said: At least it's easier to shoot around a shoulder injury, unlike a leg (TFA) or back injury (TOD). That's actually a really good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted June 23, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2021 Only the healing power of the grail can save him now. Jay, crumbs, Dr. Rick and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Muad'Dib and Cerebral Cortex 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Let's hope he doesn't go flying by himself while recovering... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 On 6/15/2021 at 1:46 PM, Nick1066 said: There's no way we don't get more time in the ICU (Indiana Cinematic Universe) after Ford hangs up the fedora. The Mouse didn't buy this property to not monetize it. From your mouth to God's ears. New plot of Indy 5 incoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Let's hope he doesn't go flying by himself while recovering... Too soon. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 He's 78!? Okay, now I sort of don't want this movie to happen. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 It's not looking too promising. Ford looks really old from the few leaked shots but I bet they will CGI de-age him so he doesn't look at deaths' door What's that fablemens thing? Whatever it is it's 100% certain there will be a scheduling conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 The spielberg biopic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 12 hours ago, Anthony said: He's 78!? Okay, now I sort of don't want this movie to happen. Ageism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 8 hours ago, King Mark said: What's that fablemens thing? Whatever it is it's 100% certain there will be a scheduling conflict. Are you serious? https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/33597-finally-a-new-spielberg-project https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/33598-john-williams-to-score-spielbergs-next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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