Popular Post Mitth'raw'nuorodo 43 Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 Your Father Would Be Proud raises the entire R1 score to a level of perfection for me. All the themes were already good, but YFWBP just put it over the top. Such an emotional piece. It could really stand on its own as a concert piece. Also, I have a thought. It seems to me that the Rebel Fanfare is now the Falcon's theme more than actually representing the Rebels. Which makes sense given its previous history. The Rebel Fanfare shows up in bits and pieces throughout ANH, but it really gets its due during TIE Fighter Attack, which, of course, heavily features the Falcon. It appears other places, but is most prominent in the OT when TIE Fighter Attack returns to score the Falcon's harrowing journey through the interior of the Death Star II. Its next prominent quote is in TFA, when it is boldly stated when the Falcon appears onscreen for the first time during "The Falcon." And now, here, during Solo, Powell quotes it all the time when they're in the Falcon. So what do we think? Is it the Falcon's theme now? It at least seems heavily associated with the Falcon at this point. Ricard, Will and Tiburon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,515 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mitth'raw'nuorodo said: It seems to me that the Rebel Fanfare is now the Falcon's theme more than actually representing the Rebels. Which makes sense given its previous history. The Rebel Fanfare shows up in bits and pieces throughout ANH, but it really gets its due during TIE Fighter Attack, which, of course, heavily features the Falcon. It appears other places, but is most prominent in the OT when TIE Fighter Attack returns to score the Falcon's harrowing journey through the interior of the Death Star II. Its next prominent quote is in TFA, when it is boldly stated when the Falcon appears onscreen for the first time during "The Falcon." And now, here, during Solo, Powell quotes it all the time when they're in the Falcon. So what do we think? Is it the Falcon's theme now? It at least seems heavily associated with the Falcon at this point. JW told JP that the Rebel Fanfare was a theme for the Millenium Falcon from the beginning. JP said so in an interview (can't remember which one now). Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitth'raw'nuorodo 43 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Just now, Loert said: JW told JP that the Rebel Fanfare was a theme for the Millenium Falcon from the beginning. JP said so in an interview (can't remember which one now). Really?? So much for my inventive theory. I did not know that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, DominicCobb said: I'd definitely like to see another composer take the next non-Williams SW film, though if they do a sequel to Solo I really want Powell back. I'd rather SW not fall into the Marvel trap of "new composer, new themes for all the characters!" Judging by the box office numbers, I don't think you will see a Solo sequel anytime soon. I really like the idea of hiring a different composer for each spinoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 That idea gels with just about every score except for The Empire Strikes Back. The Rebel Fanfare doesn't coincide with any scenes or shots of the Falcon. And there are the cameos of the theme in TPM and RotS, if you want to count them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Listening to the opening of Reminiscence Therapy makes me want a re-recording of the OT soundtracks. Maybe that would also solve the remastering issue once and for all. (half joking) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Henry Buck said: That idea gels with just about every score except for The Empire Strikes Back. The Rebel Fanfare doesn't coincide with any scenes or shots of the Falcon. And there are the cameos of the theme in TPM and RotS, if you want to count them. Even on the original Star Wars, its mostly used with the Rebels. The Falcon only merits two or three statements or so. In Return of the Jedi, the Rebel Fanfare is used more liberally in general, but its still used more for the Rebels than for the Falcon, per se. I dunno what Williams said (its worth noting that hearing Powell's account of what Williams said is not the same as hearing a direct quote from Williams), but I'll take 1977's Williams' word: in the Liner Notes he specifically refers to it as the "Rebel spaceship fanfare". I'm fine with it changing association: It happened with Ben's theme, and with Luke's theme; no reason it can't happen to the Rebel Fanfare; but let's not delude ourselves that "it was always intended for the Falcon", now, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,642 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Just now, Chen G. said: in the Liner Notes he specifically refers to it as the "Rebel spaceship fanfare". The Falcon is a Rebel spaceship... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Its intended specifically for the spaceship at the top of the film, and than extrapolated to relate to the Rebels in general. Quote I use the Rebel spaceship fanfare at the appearance of the Rebel blockade runner[...]the music [for the Imperial Attack] is based a great deal on the Rebel spaceship fanfare. That it is a "spaceship fanfare" would make the transition of association to the Falcon more palatable. It probably suits the Falcon more, in terms of the musical quality of the motif, than Ben Kenobi's theme suits the concept of The Force. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,844 Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 One area I think JP deserves a lot of credit is for smartly re-using OT music. I like how deep he reached into ANH material, the humorous in-universe version of the Imperial March, and the elongated statements of the Rebel Fanfare/Falcon Theme. Fun stuff. And I'm really glad JP didn't touch the Force theme even once. Will, Holko, Smaug The Iron and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 ...Holy fishpaste, now that you mention it, it's funny that we had a running gag with the Force theme being overused, and apparently Powell listened! Mitth'raw'nuorodo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 It just wouldn't work with this film. The Force Theme represents all that which is mythic, time-worn and melancholic about Star Wars. Again, very much because it was originally the theme of an old knight hanging unto the memory of a Republic long-gone, and not so-much that of an all-encompassing Force that is above such sentiments. Solo, I hear, doesn't dabble in any of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Well yeah, Han thought the force was a load of mumbo-jumbo, so it really wouldn't have fitted terribly well at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,365 Posted May 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2018 Not my review: https://www.theclicktrack.net/single-post/2018/05/27/Solo-A-Star-Wars-Story Breadstick Basilisk, Mitth'raw'nuorodo and Loert 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breadstick Basilisk 108 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Wow, is this your site, or someone else's? Either way, excited to read this; looks really in-depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breadstick Basilisk 108 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Well thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,515 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Chen G. said: I dunno what Williams said (its worth noting that hearing Powell's account of what Williams said is not the same as hearing a direct quote from Williams), but I'll take 1977's Williams' word: in the Liner Notes he specifically refers to it as the "Rebel spaceship fanfare". I'm fine with it changing association: It happened with Ben's theme, and with Luke's theme; no reason it can't happen to the Rebel Fanfare; but let's not delude ourselves that "it was always intended for the Falcon", now, shall we? Perhaps Williams originally conceived it as a leitmotif for the Falcon in the early stages of scoring ANH, and then decided to extrapolate it into a generic Rebel spaceship fanfare in the final product. 32 minutes ago, Fal said: Not my review: https://www.theclicktrack.net/single-post/2018/05/27/Solo-A-Star-Wars-Story The love theme is notated wrong. Downbeat is on the first B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breadstick Basilisk 108 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I mean, isn't it possible both are correct? After all, even the main theme of the franchise is also considered one particular character's theme. Mitth'raw'nuorodo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Its just transformed: it started as a theme for the Rebels and was re-purposed for the Falcon in the sequel trilogy. Not out-of-character for Star Wars. Leia's theme was originally a Luke-and-Leia love theme! Mitth'raw'nuorodo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Its just transformed: it started as a theme for the Rebels and was re-purposed for the Falcon in the sequel trilogy. It's still fits in with Williams' 'Rebel Spaceship Fanfare' title. In the sequel era, the Falcon is the last surviving warship of the Galactic Civil War, having played integral roles in the destruction of the two Death Stars. It's THE Rebel Spaceship. Holko and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Sure. But there's little doubt that it wasn't the original association of the fanfare. I'm not saying that the transformation is inappropriate. I'm just saying we better not delude ourselves that it was "always for the Falcon." Mitth'raw'nuorodo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breadstick Basilisk 108 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Loert said: The love theme is notated wrong. Downbeat is on the first B. Correct. And I believe it should be in 3/4. The first note should occur on the "&" of beat 2. The one notable exception in the score is at 1:26 of "Lando's Closet", when it appears to be a single measure of 2/4 with the first note of the theme occurring on the "&" of 1. And then the following bars are back in 3/4. Would you agree? EDIT: Also, the main theme is much better (and more correct, judging from the sheet music pic) written in 9/8, than in 3/4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 @kaseykockroach I just caught up with this thread, did I read correctly that you deleted the Williams piece? What in the flying fugue would you do that for? TAOH serves as a fairly important introductory piece to the rest of the score and manages to work as it's own thing, how could you be so foolish? Argghh! I'm dying! I can't take this... blasphemy! Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,515 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 It's OK, I'm sure it's sitting in the Recycle Bin somewhere. @Breadstick Basilisk You are correct about the time signature for the love theme and TAOH. I dont know about the 2/4 measure though, i am not at liberty to check atm. But I can imagine what you mean and i think i remember something like that (like a sudden accelerando). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I took it off the playlist, silly! I didn't pour gasoline on it then drop a matchbox!...though that would make Rogue One's score more interesting. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,365 Posted May 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2018 At 1:17 in "Break Out", are those the opening fanfares from the Main Title? Taikomochi, Will, Breadstick Basilisk and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breadstick Basilisk 108 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 WHOA! They are indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I love the last minute or so of Reminiscence Therapy, that intricate suspense build-up that gleefully clues you in that the action is far from over...immediately followed by Into the Maw exploding onto the scene, a gloriously insane action cue if I've ever heard one. Loert and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitth'raw'nuorodo 43 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 A brass-playing friend of mine noticed a classical piece that John Powell may have been referencing. Gustav Holst, a late 19th century composer, wrote a number of suites for military bands. His second suite contains a movement called "Song of the Blacksmith." The entire vibe of Powell's "Mine Mission," starting at 0:15 through around 3:20, is exactly the same as Song of the Blacksmith! The militaristic beats and instrumentation are quite similar (although Powell also adds strings), and you can really hear the similarities! Why would Powell do this? Well, Holst's piece is about a blacksmith, and in it, you can hear the percussion of him hammering away with his tools. "Mine Mission," it will come as no surprise to learn, takes place on Kessel, where miners are using hammers and other tools to chip away at the rock. Powell evokes the sound of the blacksmith because the miners are doing something very similar! Check it out. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 It may have been an influence, and an interesting one at that, but I feel the overall tone, or "vibe" as you put it, is quite distinct. Breadstick Basilisk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,365 Posted May 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2018 For those who care about that sort of thing: 1:50-End of Track 14 from Solo actually occurs after Track 17 in the film, 0:00-1:50 is between Track 16 and 17. Spoiler It's the cue for Han and Qi-ra's conversation (obvious from the track title) from 0:00-1:50, the cue for Han and Qi-ra going to Dryden with the Coaxium from 1:50-3:58, and the cue for Enfys Nest taking out Dryden's goons from 3:58-end Obviously there is unreleased (?) music in between those two cues. 18 and 19 should be switched Breadstick Basilisk, Holko and Mitth'raw'nuorodo 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 The Good Guy is a really good example of JP moving seamlessly from theme to theme and achieving a similar sense of smooth "flow" that JW seems to so effortlessly capture. Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Powell also has a rare talent of not just capturing the atmosphere of a sequence, but capturing and enhancing every little moment from shot to shot, in an energy I haven't heard since Goldsmith. That he doesn't just look at the scene as a whole, but every little individual moment, what's going on at this exact moment, what's this character thinking right now, so on. Such as, to name a random example, the insanity of Into The Maw's action smoothly cutting to the "gang" theme for a moment, to capture the group thinking on their feet and quickly coming up with a plan as they frantically evade the pursuing beast. Thinking like that is what gives even his most frantic action music a drive, flow and purpose that no one else seems capable of nowadays. Mitth'raw'nuorodo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Well I wouldn't say all that but I'm glad you enjoy the music so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 You wouldn't say all that because you're a wiser man than I. Not to mention you're not mixing strawberry kiwi juice with vodka like I am right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted May 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2018 I'm in love with the passage of Chewie's theme in the middle of Mine Mission, it's such a lovely progression in the middle of all the action, like coming up above the clouds. Not Mr. Big, mrbellamy, Kasey Kockroach and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,515 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I love this section from 2:28: The Tibetan chanting and alto flute together create a beautifully exotic texture. A sharp contrast from the chaotic screaming in the previous track! Reminds me of this track from "The Road to El Dorado", a film which Powell also worked on, with Zimmer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I didn't like the movie, but the score is FANtastic. If only you could hear it more in mix.... Definitely going to be spinning this soundtrack for many months to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 The three note motif heard at the end of this is probably as close as we'll ever get to Powell doing Jurassic. Breadstick Basilisk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted May 28, 2018 Author Share Posted May 28, 2018 Oh that would be the "secrets" motif that Powell mentioned in several interviews. It's in the score quite a lot. Karol Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 That's the Crimson Dawn/Lawless Time motif ain't it? @Falstaft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, crocodile said: Oh that would be the "secrets" motif that Powell mentioned in several interviews. It's in the score quite a lot. Karol Yep, I know, I just like hearing it as the Jurassic theme about to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted May 28, 2018 Author Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 minute ago, kaseykockroach said: Yep, I know, I just like hearing it as the Jurassic theme about to start. Yeah I know. I was thinking the same thing when I first heard it. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Han Solo, my dear Chewbacca...welcome, to Tatooine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Powell has said there is one final unidentified motif - the "Coaxium riff". Here are all the themes I've found - can anyone find an example of the unidentified one? Han hero theme Han searching/longing theme Chewbacca theme Gang theme Love theme Enfys Nest theme L3 theme Secret motif Coaxium riff - ??? greenturnedblue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 @GiacchinoCues Could it be this thing at 2:17? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 @Fal I don't recall hearing that anywhere else. Powell has said the Coaxium riff is "everywhere". I'd expect to hear it in virtually every instance it's featured in the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 The coaxium was the main plot point but I'm not sure where in the score the theme is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 They mentioned coaxial in every scene! I think Kathleen Kennedy told Ron Howard to reshoot lines for every scene where they mention it. Anyway, the score was alright. Powell certainly handled Williams' music better than Giacchino ever could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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