Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,642 Posted December 31, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2017 Just now, Skywanker said: Williams read this thread! I would honestly be mortified if I found out that John Williams reads JWFan. crumbs, Loert, Jurassic Shark and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mulder 154 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 He don't like modern technologies...but his wife is a photographer... I think she more likes new technologies like digital camera, computer...maybe she reads this thread! She advises him, when he compose the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 He is 85 years old and like any good old man he likes to read his interviews in newpapers and magazines that he kept on the shelf for when he wishes to remembers the old days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Story 57 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 5 hours ago, Obi said: Dragons, X-Men 3 (Phoenix theme), Mars Needs Moms, Evolution and Pluto Nash. Thanks! HTTYD has a great melody with phrases, so is Assassin's Tango. The others I've heard are brilliant themes that repeat. A-B-C contrasting with A-A-A''. Or a succession of phrases that don't repeat, A-B-C-D-E-etc The main Star Wars melodies have 3 or 4 contrasting phrases that form a classic melody. There's also themes or motifs for secondary or less developed characters that are similar to what most composers today do. I think JP will do a great score for the Solo movie, now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Because the new movie needs a more energetic, heroic theme. What is this based on? Has anyone associated with the production said this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,673 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 I'd wager that Williams would not have done this had he done RPO. So, it is very nice consolation prize. Of course, maybe because he is doing this, he could not do RPO (but I highly doubt that). Will and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 31 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: What is this based on? Has anyone associated with the production said this? Just speculating. At least Han Solo and the Princess in its original slow, serene version would not suffice for such a film, and I'm not convinced that the theme would be successful in a more energetic arrangement. But a new theme derived from the old one would be interesting... Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 What are the chances Williams creates a concert piece for this theme? I'm certainly hopeful he will since it'll probably be a major theme in the film. 9 minutes ago, Tom said: I'd wager that Williams would not have done this had he done RPO. So, it is very nice consolation prize. Of course, maybe because he is doing this, he could not do RPO (but I highly doubt that). I really think it was scheduling. I mean, isn't the score already recorded now? I was expecting it to be recorded in January. Plus, Williams was originally announced to score the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 Happy new year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mulder 154 Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Happy new year! You too. Americans have to wait another 6 hours Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 5 hours ago, James said: Hopefully that Williams will have the opportunity to do the main theme of Obi Wan in the future. Didn't he already do that a few years ago...? James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 6 hours ago, Skywanker said: He don't like modern technologies...but his wife is a photographer... I think she more likes new technologies like digital camera, computer...maybe she reads this thread! She advises him, when he compose the music. "Reprise Battle Of The Heroes again in Episode IX, honey, and more, people love it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Pieter_Boelen said: Didn't he already do that a few years ago...? Yeah! He did! I recognize a leitmotif for Obi Wan in the ANH, but a theme does not. I agree that it is difficult to imagine a theme for Obi Wan and not think straight away about the Force's Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 In the original Star Wars it wasn't a theme for the Force: it was Obi Wan's theme. While it did lose connection with him across the following episodes, he never had another motif assigned to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Some interesting comments about Giacchino/Powell/Williams on the FSM board, if you believe them: Quote I've heard from multiple people in the know that indeed Williams didn't like the ROGUE ONE score very much at all. Williams seems very protective of Star Wars in particular (he reportedly didn't like Joel McNeely's SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE much either back at the time), and it's probably a good thing to try to get his blessing when they pick a new composer. I heard that when Kathleen Kennedy asked him who was out there that he liked, he heartily spoke up for Powell. Quote I've heard the same story from two different people who have worked at Lucasfilm, and independently from a friend in the know. Williams saw the final version of ROGUE ONE, with MG's score in it, and was not especially impressed. When asked by Kathleen Kennedy who should score the next spin-off movie, he recommended Powell. That's all I've got! Quote Williams asked for a screening of "Rogue One" and was unimpressed by the score. I was told he then recommended Desplat for "Solo," but Kennedy told him that hadn't worked out last time, so he suggested Powell. I believe this story to be true, based on my source. http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=9&threadID=120825&archive=0 Things seem to fit into place with these stories. Williams is seemingly very protective of the Star Wars brand musically; if he was unhappy with Rogue One's score then perhaps this is his way of giving creative guidance for other composers entering the franchise, to establish the musical 'ground rules' for the score then let the composer extrapolate? It wouldn't surprise me at all if Williams recommended Powell for the score. Desplat possibly being his first choice is really interesting, if true. Would also indicate he's got a line through his name now, which makes you wonder what happened on Rogue One... Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,844 Posted January 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2018 I don't believe those quotes for a moment. JW has approved of Gia writing Star Wars music in the past. Don't forget Gia wrote SW music for Star Tours and JW approved of that too. He also likely listened to Gia's music for Jurassic World as well. If JW were dissatisfied with Gia following up his own music, he would have had numerous opportunities to intervene in the past especially if these quotes are accurate and JW holds such power over who works on SW music. Taikomochi, Pieter Boelen, idril and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 This is rumour control, here are the facts. All this is pure conjecture. The point is, we have no idea what was said, and, more importantly, how it was said. Remember, that JW has known Kathleen Kennedy for over thirty-five years, and (I would imagine) considers her a friend, as well as a colleague. By comparison, he's known Cappuccino for about five minutes. What happened behind closed doors was one professional passing an opinion on another professional's work, which he is entitled to do, given both the circumstances, and the context. JW created the STAR WARS sound, and if anyone knows how it should sound, it's him. The only other time (certainly that I can think of) that an event like this was covered in print, was JW's reaction to SUPERMAN II. That was an honest and visceral response to what he had just watched. I agree with artguy; this is heretical. In other words: forget it, JWfan, it's FSMtown. Pieter Boelen and DarthDementous 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 9 hours ago, Skywanker said: You too. Americans have to wait another 6 hours JW writing Solo's theme is the best New Year's surprise we could get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted January 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 hour ago, artguy360 said: I don't believe those quotes for a moment. JW has approved of Gia writing Star Wars music in the past. Don't forget Gia wrote SW music for Star Tours and JW approved of that too. He also likely listened to Gia's music for Jurassic World as well. If JW were dissatisfied with Gia following up his own music, he would have had numerous opportunities to intervene in the past especially if these quotes are accurate and JW holds such power over who works on SW music. JW to be completely honest does not have that power. He was consulted. And consulted by Kennedy. Who makes the final call. I think the version of events went something like this. Kennedy hired Desplat for R1 Heard the demos, did not like them. Did not think the music fit the universe (she's super protective of the brand and probably has Iger breathing down her neck) Asked him to try again And then fired him Took a punt on Gia Independently JW either watches R1 or is asked to watch Kennedy explicitly asks for JW's opinion JW says he didn't like the score. She says who would you have do the score. He recommends Desplat and she says he did not deliver. JW says Powell. Kennedy says I got burned with R1. Want an easier ride. Asks JW if he can guide Powell. JW agrees. -- The only strange thing is - Gia positively felates JW with his music. He's trying so hard to be JW. But I think ultimately his music is on the melodramatic side and JW might have found it tasteless and cheesy. crumbs, DarthDementous and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 An interesting theory Ulee, but I have one question: what does God need -sorry - where's Ron Howard, in all this? He's not exactly a comer, and he still has some clout in Tinseltown. What about his opinion? Since when did producers, and not directors have the final say on who scores their film? Was Powell attached before Howard came on board, and does Howard want JW to contribute to his film, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 You can assume a successful director like Howard is being involved and consulted loads. Disney loves a creative collaborative atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,319 Posted January 1, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Richard said: does Howard want JW to contribute to his film, anyway? I can't imagine any director making a Star Wars movie who wouldn't want JW's involvement. John, Holko and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Richard said: An interesting theory Ulee, but I have one question: what does God need -sorry - where's Ron Howard, in all this? He's not exactly a comer, and he still has some clout in Tinseltown. What about his opinion? Since when did producers, and not directors have the final say on who scores their film? Was Powell attached before Howard came on board, and does Howard want JW to contribute to his film, anyway? I think franchise superproducers like Kennedy and Feige are essentially the equivalent of showrunners in TV series if you want to consider these franchises big budget TV series for the big screen which is what they are frankly. Forget consulting with the directors for creative choices, Kennedy has fired 3 sets of them for crossing her. SW is a very suit driven enterprise. You have the Disney CEO attending the premiere, storylines being discussed on earning calls with shareholders and many decesions going up to Iger. This is very much a producers franchise. The buck stops with Kennedy and she calls the shots. She can overrule the director and even fire them. She has the suits behind her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 I mean, Abrams had to pitch Episode IX to Iger himself! That isn't a normal state of play with franchise movies, especially for a director with his clout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 20 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: This is very much a producers franchise. The buck stops with Kennedy and she calls the shots. She can overrule the director and even fire them. She has the suits behind her. She's finally emerged from Spielberg's shadow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 hours ago, artguy360 said: I don't believe those quotes for a moment. JW has approved of Gia writing Star Wars music in the past. Don't forget Gia wrote SW music for Star Tours and JW approved of that too. To compose drive-by music for a theme park attraction and for a dramatic motion picture are wholly different things. In a movie, dramatic shortcomings are much easier to spot. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 7 hours ago, James said: Yeah! He did! I recognize a leitmotif for Obi Wan in the ANH, but a theme does not. I agree that it is difficult to imagine a theme for Obi Wan and not think straight away about the Force's Theme. As @Chen G. mentioned, I was indeed referring to the Force theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 On 31.12.2017 at 12:56 PM, Stefancos said: Makes it sound like a cheap knock-off, which I guess it was. It was probably anything but cheap to get Giacchimoto to write a replacement score at the last minute. On 31.12.2017 at 1:59 PM, Chen G. said: There's nothing in Empire Strikes Back to suggest that Han Solo had an earlier run-in with Boba Fett, to justify his involvement in this film. Also, his backstory in adressed in the prequels to the point that further exploration of his character (especially given his at-random death in Return of the Jedi) is redundant, and that it would quite possibly require bringing the prequel actor back. They can just make him wear armour the whole time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Don’t forget Lucas shoehorned boba Fett into The Star Wars special edition, so anything is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 But that predated The Empire Strikes Back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 21 hours ago, king mark said: The music in the Echo base corridor at the beginning of the film where Leia's Theme morphs into Han Solo and the Princess makes it pretty clear it's a love theme As far as Powell goes. I have a film music compilation of several GB and and about 200 composers and have retained only 1-2 tracks from him .His music doesn't do anything for me Chicken Run is his best score, although it's collaborative. Bring back those kazoos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 8 hours ago, Chen G. said: In the original Star Wars it wasn't a theme for the Force: it was Obi Wan's theme. While it did lose connection with him across the following episodes, he never had another motif assigned to him. I know. The harp that appears at the beginning of the theme of the Force. I always imagined as a leitmotiv for the characterization of Obi Wan as a mysterious wizard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Here’s an interview with Desplat where he mentions leaving Rogue One; https://filmschoolrejects.com/composer-alexandre-desplat-choosing-luc-besson-star-wars/ DarthDementous and Pieter Boelen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,953 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, James said: I know. The harp that appears at the beginning of the theme of the Force. I always imagined as a leitmotiv for the characterization of Obi Wan as a mysterious wizard. Nah. It's too inconsequential to be a leitmotif, much less one that can be treated separately from the unabridged Force theme. It's just a little introduction figure. James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 1 hour ago, El Jefe said: Here’s an interview with Desplat where he mentions leaving Rogue One; https://filmschoolrejects.com/composer-alexandre-desplat-choosing-luc-besson-star-wars/ It's funny that he claims he left the film due to scheduling, instead of being fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Well isn't that basically what happened? Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 As far as I know, Lucasfilm has not given a detailed explanation of why Desplat left the project. Desplat could be saying what he says to save face. I still doubt Desplat would be able to write a proper Star Wars score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 I have no reason to assume Desplat is lying. Once and Docteur Qui 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 It's called not telling the whole truth. If he returns for another SW film in the future, I'll believe him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 We'll find out what happened eventually. They clearly thought enough of Desplay to offer him the job in the first place. If it was really a scheduling conflict, he'll get another chance. If he was fired, he won't. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 We know the film went through a drastic reshoot schedule. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Yes, but that should not have come as a surprise to anyone involved. That happens a lot nowadays with big movies, to the extent that they're planning for it from the outset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Well yes, it should have come as no surprise, reshoots happen and schedules get moved. But Desplat still may have be committed to something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 I would believe Lucasfilm would secure the services of the composer in case of delays due to reshoots. Anything else would be highly risky and unprofessional. It's not like SW is a low budget production anymore. That's why I find it most likely that Desplat was indeed fired. James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 What an insult to John Powell. How insulting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 I'm sure he's honored and humbled to be working with the Maestro! James and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 10 hours ago, crumbs said: Some interesting comments about Giacchino/Powell/Williams on the FSM board, if you believe them: Just imagine if Goldsmith were still alive... 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Chicken Run is his best score, although it's collaborative. Bring back those kazoos! ...performed by Jerry Hey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: What an insult to John Powell. How insulting. Well I’m not entirely sold on Powell either. I’ve enjoyed some of his works but I’m not bowled over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, Stefancos said: I'm sure he's honored and humbled to be working with the Maestro! Perhaps but it is still an insult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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