Pieter Boelen 740 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Jay said: Yup, Lumos was a different take (or assembly of takes) on the album than the take (or assembly of takes) used in the film, so Mike included it in the bonus tracks to be comprehensive. Compositionally there are no differences. Is there a list somewhere of all alternates that are different takes, but the exact same composition? Because those are admittedly the ones that don't really interest me, since I basically don't hear the difference anyway... bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 The only ones like that are Introducing Colin and Fawkes Heals Harry from HP2 and Lumos from HP3 Pieter Boelen and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 So when all the speculation was going on Jay actually knew about this, just not the release date I assume. 1 hour ago, Jay said: It's sort of a slightly different melody every time, but basically Discussing Black, The Grim, Quidditch Third Year, Confrontation in the Shrieking Shack Time stamps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 You can't tell there's a similar idea in all those tracks? Or Mike's description of the theme in the liner notes don't help you? I don't have time to figure out timestamps right now, but maybe somebody else can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Do do DOOOOOO doooo. 0:52 of Monster Book and Discussing Black Once and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Josh500 said: Spare me such comments. I don't get your German sense of humour! 😂 As a German I lack any kind of humour. 5 hours ago, Josh500 said: Again, to each his own. Some people just can't see it. That's OK. Once and for all, to each the truth. Some people just can't see that there is nothing to see. That's not OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 0:33 The Grim / The Newspaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted January 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2019 Official lyrics to Pettigrew’s Theme: Pet-er Pet-er Pet-er Pet-Ti-Grew (repeat infinitely) bollemanneke, DJMcNiff, redishere and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. Who said: Some HP6 trailer music has already been released, although not the "trailer" version: Yep! I’ve got that one. Thanks for bringing it up though! I’m really after the IMAX Theatrical Trailer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Faleel J.M. said: Do do DOOOOOO doooo. 0:52 of Monster Book and Discussing Black Thanks 2 hours ago, Faleel J.M. said: 0:33 The Grim / The Newspaper Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 1:55 AM, crumbs said: Any other Azkaban requests? Everything? LOL! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,318 Posted January 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2019 Incanus, Once, Will and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2019 Thanks, but I can't be the only one who almost expected Rey's Theme to start when the knight crashed through the window. Chewy, Will, Once and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 In case anyone is interested: I have recreated the long "Time Past / Saving Buckbeak" cue with the original bat music. It is perfectly edited, if I may mention that, and I prefer it that way. TSMefford and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,318 Posted January 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2019 Incanus, Once, Will and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,715 Posted January 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2019 I guess that is another scene where they opted for the Window to the Past theme over what Williams had originally written (if I remember correctly a lot of those remembering the past scenes were originally scored with different material according to the mock-ups I have heard). Also that pizzicato material was clearly too whimsical for the scene and I prefer the driving percussive insert (precursor of the Episode III Grievous material) and it was an astute call on the part of the film makers to rescore it. I guess Williams didn't have time to rescore the opening when they opted for that not so smooth insert of the recorder version of the past theme there. Oh and thanks for posting these @crumbs! Really neat to see these alternates put against the picture to see how they work (or don't). Once, bollemanneke, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 340 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Finally got the box and started listening to HP1. The box and presentation is great, and its good that we finally can legally have the complete music. But I am very disappointed in one respect: The dynamic range is severely reduced compared to the session leaks. The session sound like a large orchestras should sound (and does e.g. during HP live in concert!), while the Box has crushed the dynamic range to almost pop music likeness. Just compare the fight against the troll, stop after 1 minute or so and then start the first or second track of Disc 1. The music sounds almost as loud as the troll music! Unfortunately this seems to be another victim to the loudness wars. For listening in the background or during driving this is ok, even helpful. But when I want to hear the true orchestral sound at home on the stereo, I will go back to the session (which I planned to delete after purchase of the box). A Pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 The sessions are quiet all the way through. Not Mr. Big and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 6 hours ago, Incanus said: Also that pizzicato material was clearly too whimsical for the scene and I prefer the driving percussive insert (precursor of the Episode III Grievous material) and it was an astute call on the part of the film makers to rescore it. My God, it just came to me... That pizzicato section, JW was channeling "Flight from Peru" from Raiders! Holy smokes! It's the same thing, practically. That's why it sounded so familiar to me all these years! From 0:38... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted January 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2019 The flute players by the end of the POA recording sessions redishere, crumbs, DJMcNiff and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I get what you mean @Gurkensalat I've been listening to the 'mastered' sessions edits for so long that this set has taken some time to get used to. There's noticeable differences between PS and CoS, the latter has a more amped (?) feeling, certainly a bit hissier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 It's karma's payback for listening to bootlegs. bollemanneke and mstrox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I know, I should've said NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I actually think Hp2 sounds a bit bright and sharp in places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 It does, but I love that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I stopped listening to the boots completely after getting this in the same way that I haven't paid attention to the film edits in PoA. If I haven't noticed them then I won't care about them. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,372 Posted January 4, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2019 @crumbs I finally got a chance to watch all your videos, and they are great! I especially loved the Confrontation in the Shrieking Shack one, that was awesome! To finally get a chance after all these years to see Williams intentions synced to picture at the pacing the scene would have had when he scored it was neat. And I think the Alternate Lupin's Transformation really shows how smart it was to replace the pizzacato section with the percussive section, it fits the scene much better! I do have on comment about one video: On 1/3/2019 at 7:06 AM, crumbs said: I'm not sure what you did here or why you titled it this way. The music in this video (at least the beginning) is "Map to Snow Scene", and is the original cue Williams wrote for Harry using the map to enter Hogsmeade via the Honeydukes basement. In the final film, it was completely replaced by "Up The Stairs", which appears in the LLL track "The Three Broomsticks" from 0:00-0:59. The two wouldn't blend together, the rewrite completely replace the original intention. "Brief Snow Scene" is the cue that covers Harry listening to McGonnagall and co talk about Peter Pettigrew through his run outside AND the entire crying scene AND the beginning of his training with Lupin. It appears in "The Three Broomsticks" from 0:59-end. In the final film, a portion of the ending was replaced by music tracked in from Lupin's Departure, so a restore video would be worthwhile to show how Williams originally scored the replaced bit. crumbs, TSMefford, Once and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taikomochi 1,136 Posted January 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2019 Williams’ original intentions for Lupin’s Transformation are honestly baffling to me. I find it much more musically interesting than what’s in the film, but it’s severely out of step with the horror and suspense of that scene. I’d love to know what he was thinking because it really, truly does not work for that scene. It’s so out of step that I’d just assumed it was an unused opening to Chasing Scabbers when listening to it on the album for many years. crumbs, Richard Penna, DJMcNiff and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Yep, I thought that end section was part of Chasing Scabbers too until I got this set. It makes what is a pretty high octane chase into almost a comedic moment. Totally wrong for the scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2019 I actually like the pizzicato stuff...I don't remember the scene as it is in the film, but I like how bizarre the music is. I can see why they would opt for something more visceral, but I don't think this is a complete tonal misstep, either. Will, crumbs and Arpy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: I don't remember the scene as it is in the film 16 hours ago, crumbs said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I meant the scene as it plays out in the way it was released, the final version. I don't have the set, so that video is the only way I have context for that pizzicato passage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 What do you mean? That's the same footage as the film. Did you mean to say music, ie "I don't remember the music as it is in the film"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Josh500 1,615 Posted January 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Nick Parker said: I actually like the pizzicato stuff...I don't remember the scene as it is in the film, but I like how bizarre the music is. I can see why they would opt for something more visceral, but I don't think this is a complete tonal misstep, either. Misstep? Not at all! I really love the pizzicato cue... And I think I know (or I can guess) why JW originally chose to score it that way. It's frantic chase music, all right, but at the same time it somehow needed to be quiet chase music, because it's in the middle of the night, everything's quiet, and you don't want to unnecessarily draw the werewolf's attention! At least, that might have been JW's reasoning. 7 hours ago, Jay said: What do you mean? That's the same footage as the film. Did you mean to say music, ie "I don't remember the music as it is in the film"? He meant how the score turned out in the final movie! 7 hours ago, Nick Parker said: I meant with the score as it turned out in film. Here you go! From approximately 4:00... Smeltington, Will, artguy360 and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Josh500 said: I really love the pizzicato cue... And I think I know (or I can guess) why JW originally chose to score it that way. It's frantic chase music, all right, but at the same time it somehow needed to be quiet chase music, because it's in the middle of the night, everything's quiet, and you don't want to unnecessarily draw the werewolf's attention! At least, that might have been JW's reasoning. That's an interesting way to look at it, actually Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, Jay said: What do you mean? That's the same footage as the film. Did you mean to say music, ie "I don't remember the music as it is in the film"? Well if the final version of the music is very percussion oriented, that means the scene plays out very differently to me. So I'm referring to the music specifically in how it works in context. 9 minutes ago, Josh500 said: Misstep? Not at all! I really love the pizzicato cue... And I think I know (or I can guess) why JW chose to score it that way. It's frantic chase music, all right, but at the same time it somehow needed to be quiet chase music, because it's in the middle if the night, everything's quiet, and you don't want to unnecessarily draw the werewolf's attention! At least, that might have been JW's reasoning. Like I said before, I like that it's almost surreal with its harmonies and everything. He might've thought of intensity by contrast, and that having these frantic, weird plucked passages would increase the tension by having this more "unfamiliar" music. Not in terms of dynamic intensity, but he went for a similar approach that next year in Revenge of the Sith, when Palpatine's face gets deformed by his lightning. There he wrote really wacky-ass music (in that case I think they were wise to leave it unscored). crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 Nick, the percussive music used in the film at the end of the track "Lupin's Transformation" in the main program of the LLL album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, Jay said: Nick, the percussive music used in the film at the end of the track "Lupin's Transformation" on disc 7 of the LLL set. I don't have the set, so the film would be my reference point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 Josh posted a youtube clip of the scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Oh, I totally missed that! Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I like both takes (the unrecorded insert vers is better than the OST one tho IMO), though I prefer the film version seeing as it's so Savage, and I LUV Savage brass cues. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Josh500 said: Misstep? Not at all! I really love the pizzicato cue... And I think I know (or I can guess) why JW originally chose to score it that way. It's frantic chase music, all right, but at the same time it somehow needed to be quiet chase music, because it's in the middle of the night, everything's quiet, and you don't want to unnecessarily draw the werewolf's attention! At least, that might have been JW's reasoning. This! Thank you! Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 That theory is really very interesting! Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,394 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Agreed! Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,318 Posted January 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2019 10 hours ago, Jay said: And I think the Alternate Lupin's Transformation really shows how smart it was to replace the pizzacato section with the percussive section, it fits the scene much better! It's definitely an interesting approach but wrong for the film when considering its placement in the narrative (basically right before the third act climax). Maybe Williams just got caught up with all the unconventional orchestration during writing and wanted to see how far he could push the boundaries? Or maybe Cuaron and Williams both agreed that something more 'sneaky' and restrained might be appropriate during the spotting sessions, in keeping with Harry and Hermione's attempts to hide from the werewolf? I'm sure they realised quickly that a different approach was worth trying though, considering that moment is really more about running for their lives than sneaking around and hiding (that comes after and is mostly unscored, wisely). 10 hours ago, Jay said: The music in this video (at least the beginning) is "Map to Snow Scene", and is the original cue Williams wrote for Harry using the map to enter Hogsmeade via the Honeydukes basement. In the final film, it was completely replaced by "Up The Stairs", which appears in the LLL track "The Three Broomsticks" from 0:00-0:59. The two wouldn't blend together, the rewrite completely replace the original intention. Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying exactly what constituted that track, I never quite understood where cues began and ended in The Three Broomsticks. Musically, Williams' original intentions here are a bit sparse after Harry puts the cloak on. Was the section at the stairs meant to be unscored originally, other than the music box source? Here's a revised version of that video: 10 hours ago, Jay said: "Brief Snow Scene" is the cue that covers Harry listening to McGonnagall and co talk about Peter Pettigrew through his run outside AND the entire crying scene AND the beginning of his training with Lupin. It appears in "The Three Broomsticks" from 0:59-end. In the final film, a portion of the ending was replaced by music tracked in from Lupin's Departure, so a restore video would be worthwhile to show how Williams originally scored the replaced bit. Forgot about the film tracking at the end! Here's the full cue, with all the dialed out music from the start of the cue reinstated, through to the replaced ending over the seasonal transition shot (winter to spring). Jay, Once, Will and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 Yea I mean, who knows if the scene was edited differently or had different footage or whatever when Map To Snow Scene was written. Unless the sketches leak we may never have any idea. Nice work on both videos! I think Cuaron was right to drop the beginning and replace that part towards the end for the film. It's better that way in the film, though of course Williams intentions are better on album. crumbs and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 43 minutes ago, Jay said: I think Cuaron was right to drop the beginning and replace that part towards the end for the film. It's better that way in the film, though of course Williams intentions are better on album. Agreed. It's really hard to believe how many alternate sections and tracked music the film yielded. Cuaron is clearly extremely detailed in his musical thinking, knowing exactly how to accentuate his visuals with musical tone. Such a shame their collaboration ended after one film, there's simply not enough opportunities for Williams to stretch his creative talents with Star Wars alone. And clearly Cuaron's film delivered a plethora of inspiration for him. 8 hours ago, Faleel J.M. said: I like both takes (the unrecorded insert vers is better than the OST one tho IMO), though I prefer the film version seeing as it's so Savage, and I LUV Savage brass cues. Wait, what? Williams wrote a third version of the werewolf chase and it wasn't recorded? Edit: Actually I vaguely remember someone pointing this out earlier in the thread. Williams initially wrote a string overlay for the pizzicato strings before abandoning the idea outright or something. bollemanneke and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I love the organ (?) part at the end of "Turning the Time Back". Very different sounding than anything else Williams has done Once and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Incanus 5,715 Posted January 5, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2019 12 hours ago, Josh500 said: Misstep? Not at all! I really love the pizzicato cue... And I think I know (or I can guess) why JW originally chose to score it that way. It's frantic chase music, all right, but at the same time it somehow needed to be quiet chase music, because it's in the middle of the night, everything's quiet, and you don't want to unnecessarily draw the werewolf's attention! At least, that might have been JW's reasoning. I think it is down to the perspective in any given scene. Williams' first take was light and jumpy which didn't really to my mind convey the fear and panic of being chased by a werewolf which the film version does with its more visceral take on the moment. The first version is more of whimsy of "Oh crap we just realized that we goaded a werewolf to come after us. Let's skip away as quick as we can." The second version is "The big effing werewolf is coming for us and is going cut us into shreds! Panic! Help! It's coming! It's right on our tail! Run!" Richard Penna, Jay, DJMcNiff and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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