Jurassic Shark 12,818 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 JW's a master composer of marches, but not every march he's written is gold. What's his most annoying march, in your opinion? I nominate March of the Villains! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,020 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 TFA's March of the Resistance recording has something about its recording or playing or tempo or... something that just irritates me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,818 Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 Lockhart's recording definitely has more of a punch, but that suffers a bit from bad orchestra balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 8,493 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 That Nazi theme from Last Crusade isn't really as menacing as his more ominous Nazi music from Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,020 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 It's very cartoony and a bit overplayed, but likeable. Raiders lacks a major identifiable and memorable Nazi motif, it's more a style and various connected throwaway military melodies - this is what partly inspired me to say The Ark is the villain motif of that score. Sunshine Reger and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,676 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Pops on the March or Parade of the Ewoks Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,656 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Anything Ewok related. Chewy and The Illustrious Jerry 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,818 Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 Anybody who dislikes America, the Dream Goes on? I find it catchy, apart from the vomit-inducing lyrics. Loert and WilliamsStarShip2282 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,676 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I always wished for an orchestral version of America, The Dream Goes On Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,392 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I'm only annoyed by the marches that get played too often - so Raider's March and Imperial March. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 10,020 Posted March 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2019 Parade of the Ewoks is great! Marcus, _deleted_, SingeMoisi and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 6,048 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 40 minutes ago, Holko said: Raiders lacks a major identifiable and memorable Nazi motif, it's more a style and various connected throwaway military melodies - this is what partly inspired me to say The Ark is the villain motif of that score. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,392 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I forgot Superman March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,818 Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just don't listen to them that much - problem solved! SingeMoisi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 8,493 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Why are they called "marches"? I never saw Superman or Indiana Jones march. John Dutton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,818 Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 They do it all the time, off-screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 8,114 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, King Mark said: I always wished for an orchestral version of America, The Dream Goes On Is that a march? If so, I'd probably pick that. Also never been that keen on the 1941 march, or the score as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,818 Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Thor said: Also never been that keen on the 1941 march, or the score as a whole. The 1941 march is absolutely great, among his best, but the OST can be quite grating. The expanded release offers more variation and I definitely prefer that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,231 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I was going to say that none of them annoyed me, but then I remembered March of the Villains. That one can bug me a bit at times. Just in terms of structure, I also think the Imperial March contains one too many statements of the theme toward the end. Starts to feel repetitive to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,651 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I hate TFA's recording of March of the Resistance, so I really disliked that theme for a few years until TLJ fixed the situation. JW did a far better job integrating that theme organically into the sequel score than TFA. Also, March from 1941. Something about it just irritates the heck out of me, whether the stop-start tempo, the weird cartoony vibe, the Loonie Tunes-esque orchestration in parts (don't get me started on the awful cannon version), or the fact it feels like JW throwing thirty different ideas into one piece. Yes, I get this is probably intentionally reflecting the chaotic, haphazard movie but, musically, it's extremely grating to my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: JW's a master composer of marches, but not every march he's written is gold. What's his most annoying march, in your opinion? I nominate March of the Villains! March of the Villains took time growing on me. Now I love it. It ends with some gusto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 38,847 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I like them all A. A. Ron and 1977 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post toothless 973 Posted March 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2019 March 2019, when this thread was created. 1977, LaloCoyoacan, SingeMoisi and 10 others 2 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,818 Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 Haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,539 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 March of the Villains for me, possibly the only John Williams music I've heard that I don't like. Although some of what he does with it is still interesting - I'm just not a fan of the theme itself. Jurassic Shark and _deleted_ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,719 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 The Last Jedi's recording of March of the Resistance. TFA's is much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,818 Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 59 minutes ago, crumbs said: I hate TFA's recording of March of the Resistance, so I really disliked that theme for a few years until TLJ fixed the situation. JW did a far better job integrating that theme organically into the sequel score than TFA. 3 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: The Last Jedi's recording of March of the Resistance. TFA's is much better Interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,357 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Bespin said: Anything Ewok related. You were my brother, Bespin! How could you!? Think about the Yub Nubs! Think about them, Bes! Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,818 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 8 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: March of the Villains! 3 hours ago, Datameister said: March of the Villains 2 hours ago, Smeltington said: March of the Villains for me, possibly the only John Williams music I've heard that I don't like. Although some of what he does with it is still interesting - I'm just not a fan of the theme itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,020 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 To that I would say... first half of March of the Villains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,818 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I like the way it builds in the concert version so I'm tempted to agree with you, but like Smeltington, I can't get behind the melody. Just something about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 8,493 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 This score is only temporary. It all has very dramatic music, of course. Boom, boom, boom. A march or something. It hasn't been written yet. And then, the tour moves on. John Dutton and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,362 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I never liked the Raiders march. Give me King Solomon's Mines or Shogun Mayeda any day. Sunshine Reger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,818 Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 34 minutes ago, mstrox said: I like the way it builds in the concert version so I'm tempted to agree with you, but like Smeltington, I can't get behind the melody. Just something about it... It's too cartoonish, just like the villains it portrays. So in that regard it fits perfectly to the film. The fault is on the producers for making the villains so stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,020 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 It's like if JW used the bassoon Children's Suite version of Voldemort in the actual HP1 score! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 8,114 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 "Raider's March" may be overplayed, of course, and have a sense of over-saturation. Like "O Fortuna", "Stars and Stripes Forever" and so on. An evergreen. But damn, that doesn't take anything away from its sheer brilliance. SingeMoisi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eplicon 53 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 12 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Anybody who dislikes America, the Dream Goes on? I find it catchy, apart from the vomit-inducing lyrics. If memory serves, members of the Boston Pops didn't care for it, either. This was apparently the source of creative differences that nearly had Williams quitting the BPO back in the early '80s. The 1941 march doesn't do too much for me; maybe it's the flamboyancy or comedic tone of it, although the same probably could be said of "March of the Villains," which I actually do enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 8,114 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Love "March of the Villains", which everyone seems to dislike here. It nails the comedic aspect far better than the overblown 1941 march. Also, I've never understood why "Men of Yorktown March" from MIDWAY is called a march. It sounds more like an Elgarian waltz or something. Too slow for a march. It's a very nice cue, don't get me wrong, I'm just "annoyed" it's called a march when it really isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,973 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Thor said: Love "March of the Villains", which everyone seems to dislike here. It nails the comedic aspect far better than the overblown 1941 march. Also, I've never understood why "Men of Yorktown March" from MIDWAY is called a march. It sounds more like an Elgarian waltz or something. Too slow for a march. It's a very nice cue, don't get me wrong, I'm just "annoyed" it's called a march when it really isn't. This sounds like a waltz to you? Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,106 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I can’t think of one I find annoying. They’re all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,218 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I honestly prefer the Masters of the Universe theme to Star Wars and Superman. Joni Wiljami and Kasey Kockroach 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,362 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 39 minutes ago, Ghostbusters II said: I honestly prefer the Masters of the Universe theme to Star Wars and Superman. Can we be friends forever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,818 Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Thor said: Also, I've never understood why "Men of Yorktown March" from MIDWAY is called a march. It sounds more like an Elgarian waltz or something. Too slow for a march. It's a very nice cue, don't get me wrong, I'm just "annoyed" it's called a march when it really isn't. A march is just a piece in 2/4 or 4/4 with a steady rhythm. It doesn't need to be fast nor have any drum accompaniment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 8,114 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I'm thinking more of the RSNO version, or the one on the recent Lockhart CD. There is nothing in this cue that signals 'march' to me -- regardless if it technically is or not: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,818 Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 Yeah, but the thing is that a march is a wider concept than many people think of it today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 8,114 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I know, I know. I'm going by the 'layman' understanding here; something upbeat and rousing. And "The Men of Yorktown March" is not that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,818 Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 Just an example. 11 minutes ago, Thor said: I know, I know. I'm going by the 'layman' understanding here; something upbeat and rousing. And "The Men of Yorktown March" is not that. It's definitely rousing in the extented version on the Lockhart album! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 8,114 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Yes, and there's also the main theme from Gaute Storaas' A MAN CALLED OVE, which -- despite its sorta tango-ish feel -- he himself describes as a march: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,818 Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 It's got a very steady and accentuated beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 8,114 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: It's definitely rousing in the extented version on the Lockhart album! A couple of places, but mostly it's Elgar-type elegance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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