Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 17 hours ago, antovolk said: Probably the best sample of the score so far - from the premiere red carpet footage https://youtu.be/1igxAQ8KiJ0 Not the best indicator of the score tbh, just a lot of generic percussion and brass. Hopefully the score has some actual highlights, although (apologism incoming) it's just possible they deliberately chose something standard and not very busy as it's in the background. However, the first score was a mix of some pretty good action here and there together with some pretty bad material elsewhere, so my hopes for this one are middling at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamleyeti 114 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 His score for Fallout was decent. The disc is too long and that abominable chorus at the end don't really support my theory, but it's actually very effective in the movie. Now… Joe Kramer… please… bring him back… please… Yavar Moradi and Niktob 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DangerMotif 1,038 Posted June 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2023 54 minutes ago, iamleyeti said: Now… Joe Kramer… please… bring him back… please… Yep, crazy he hasn’t really gotten much work since Rogue Nation. Rogue Nation is easily a top 5 score of the past decade for me Edmilson, Gabriel Bezerra, Yavar Moradi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamleyeti 114 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Rogue Nation and the first (and only, in my book) Jack Reacher. Niktob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laserschwert 475 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Speaking of Balfe: How is his Dungeons & Dragons soundtrack 90 minutes long, on a single CD? What witchcraft is this?? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BZTLQ6TB/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 On 28/06/2023 at 5:53 AM, DangerMotif said: Yep, crazy he hasn’t really gotten much work since Rogue Nation. Rogue Nation is easily a top 5 score of the past decade for me The most overrated score imo. But I found all the MI scores to be overrated or underwhelming in some way. Edmilson and DangerMotif 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 On 3/7/2023 at 11:22 AM, Mephariel said: But I found all the MI scores to be overrated or underwhelming in some way. I would agree with this. I don't play any of the albums all the way through. I prefer Kramer's orchestrations to everyone else's and the less said about the mixing on the Giacchino scores, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtney Sees Ghosts 269 Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 16 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said: I would agree with this. I don't play any of the albums all the way through. I prefer Kramer's orchestrations to everyone else's and the less said about the mixing on the Giacchino scores, the better. Love me some Rogue Nation score. Though Fallout is probably my favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted July 6, 2023 Author Share Posted July 6, 2023 https://variety.com/2023/artisans/news/mission-impossible-dead-reckoning-lorne-balfe-main-theme-1235662195/#recipient_hashed=d50ccaff8bc483c71cad746241c16fe11d44283d4f5fac424a5b48006edf9afe&recipient_salt=1a225b53121e2d95a792b225a0bf401093e5b13fc575ea89c5d39ea4530ae81c JTN and Niktob 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 I didn’t know Lorne Blafe wrote that song Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 The kids are going to love it! JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,030 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 2 hours ago, antovolk said: https://variety.com/2023/artisans/news/mission-impossible-dead-reckoning-lorne-balfe-main-theme-1235662195/#recipient_hashed=d50ccaff8bc483c71cad746241c16fe11d44283d4f5fac424a5b48006edf9afe&recipient_salt=1a225b53121e2d95a792b225a0bf401093e5b13fc575ea89c5d39ea4530ae81c More bongos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 12 hours ago, antovolk said: https://variety.com/2023/artisans/news/mission-impossible-dead-reckoning-lorne-balfe-main-theme-1235662195/#recipient_hashed=d50ccaff8bc483c71cad746241c16fe11d44283d4f5fac424a5b48006edf9afe&recipient_salt=1a225b53121e2d95a792b225a0bf401093e5b13fc575ea89c5d39ea4530ae81c I prefer this to the Fallout Main Titles. The tempo is higher and it has more energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamleyeti 114 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 I must admit, it's quite nice that he is citing his collaborators: Quote But, Balfe also largely credits the film’s music editor Cécile Tournesac. “She was an integral part of the creative process. What I’d written for one scene, that scene could get removed and she would make that music cue work in a different scene by reducing elements of it,” he says. “There are many of us who made the soundtrack — the orchestrators and additional composers who helped get us to this line.” Trope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Archive Collection 214 Posted July 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2023 TRACKLISTING from the description of the video above. 1. A Colourful Past 2. A Ghost in the Machine 3. A Most Probable Next 4. Chaos on the Line 5. Chasing Grace 6. Collision Alarm 7. Consequences 8. Countdown 9. Curtain Call 10. Dead Reckoning Opening Titles 11. Get Out Now 12. He Calls Himself Gabriel 13. Hit It 14. I Missed the Train 15. I Was Hoping It'd Be You 16. Key Details 17. Leap of Faith 18. Mask of Lies 19. Murder and The Orient Express 20. Ponte Dei Conzafelzi 21. Roman Getaway 22. Run As Far As You Can 23. Rush Hour in Rome 24. Should You Choose to Accept 25. The Entity 26. The Moment of Truth 27. The Phantom 28. The Plot Thickens 29. The Sevastopol 30. The Sum of Our Choices 31. This Is Not a Drill 32. This Was the Plan 33. To Be a Ghost 34. What Is Your Objective 35. You Are Done 36. You Are Dunn 37. You Stop the Train 38. You're Driving 39. Your Mission... I'm very confident that LB's score will be effective in the film, but unfortunately, the Opening Title track sounds anonymous and unremarkable from a production standpoint. This score was recorded with live players in a world-class recording space, yet the result sounds 'fake' because of how overproduced and excessively layered it is... somewhere in the mix, there is probably a great score hidden away, but as it stands it just sounds like a wash of noise. Balfe's treatment of the M.I. theme in Fallout was very awkward and didn't work for me, and from some of the excerpts of the score I've heard in promotional materials (e.g. the premiere, where they are presumably playing the actual score), it sounds like, once again, Balfe is very happy to use the theme a LOT, but doesn't know how to actually apply it in the score. Compare Balfe's treatment of the theme, to Joe Kraemer's excellent application of Schifrin's original M.I. material: e.g. the fantastic Morrocan variation of 'The Plot', his interweaving of the main theme into the action cues. Even Giacchino (who I'm not a great fan of...) used the theme well in his two scores - the main theme playoff after the Vatican sequence in MI-3 comes to mind, or his integration of the 5/4 pulse into many of the action cues. Both composers knew where and how to apply the theme for maximum impact, whereas Balfe's score has it plastered everywhere, yet doesn't do much with it (his reharmonisation of the main theme gets old very quickly). His two-note villain motif (derived from 'The Plot') isn't too offensive - it's small enough to sneak under your radar when you're listening. However his treatment of the M.I. theme sounds like it's trying too hard to be epic... the irony is that Fallout didn't need its music to compensate or do any heavy lifting, and early reviews would indicate the same is true with Dead Reckoning. I suspect that Rogue Nation's score will age the best of the series, because it leans into the traditions of the original television scores, whereas Fallout and Dead Reckoning have gone for a contemporary sound which will be antiquated in a few decades' time (much like MI-2's score sounds today). It's a tragedy that Kraemer never was asked to return for the sequels... but I can understand why the 'classic' sound may not have suited Fallout. Still, a more sophisticated composer like John Powell or even Hans himself (he did a fine job with 007's No Time to Die) could have produced a better score. Thanks for coming to my TED talk! 5 hours ago, iamleyeti said: I must admit, it's quite nice that he is citing his collaborators: Yes, he also gave plenty of credit to his collaborators in his commentary for Fallout. For all my criticisms of his music for Mission Impossible, I can't fault his character, he seems like a very nice guy. Yavar Moradi, iamleyeti and Knight of Ren 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,466 Posted July 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2023 I just listened to the Main Titles and unfortunately I don't think I'm going to like this score much. LB, like the Variety article says, uses hundreds of musicians to record hours and hours of music, and yet the result is always so... thin. So processed. He tries so hard to be grand and epic, but doesn't know how to get there except by creating this "wall of sound", one of Zimmer's worst tendencies that Balfe exaggerates. It's kinda like Shakespeare (?) quote: "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing". igger6, Bayesian, Archive Collection and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Bezerra 302 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 14 minutes ago, Archive Collection said: TRACKLISTING from the description of the video above. 1. A Colourful Past 2. A Ghost in the Machine 3. A Most Probable Next 4. Chaos on the Line 5. Chasing Grace 6. Collision Alarm 7. Consequences 8. Countdown 9. Curtain Call 10. Dead Reckoning Opening Titles 11. Get Out Now 12. He Calls Himself Gabriel 13. Hit It 14. I Missed the Train 15. I Was Hoping It'd Be You 16. Key Details 17. Leap of Faith 18. Mask of Lies 19. Murder and The Orient Express 20. Ponte Dei Conzafelzi 21. Roman Getaway 22. Run As Far As You Can 23. Rush Hour in Rome 24. Should You Choose to Accept 25. The Entity 26. The Moment of Truth 27. The Phantom 28. The Plot Thickens 29. The Sevastopol 30. The Sum of Our Choices 31. This Is Not a Drill 32. This Was the Plan 33. To Be a Ghost 34. What Is Your Objective 35. You Are Done 36. You Are Dunn 37. You Stop the Train 38. You're Driving 39. Your Mission... Why is it in alfabetical order? Oh my, this one is going to be a pain to sort chronologicaly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archive Collection 214 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Gabriel Bezerra said: Why is it in alfabetical order? Oh my, this one is going to be a pain to sort chronologicaly Oh god... I didn't even notice that. Honestly, I don't think that's the final order of the tracks (notice how there's a track called "Your Mission..." and another called "Should You Choose to Accept". Maybe this is just a mistake by Sony Music? =I have no doubt we'll be able to sort out the chronological order! If this is the final tracklist... okay...? Cool. I really don't see the point in an alphabetical tracklist. Still not as bad as Giacchino's pun tracklists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Bezerra 302 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Just now, Archive Collection said: (notice how there's a track called "Your Mission..." and another called "Should You Choose to Accept".) I'm pretty sure there are tracks from Fallout with the same names... how original. 1 minute ago, Archive Collection said: Still not as bad as Giacchino's pun tracklists. Ah... I like them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 It's not. This is the correct order. 1. The Sevastopol 2. The Phantom 3. Collision Alarm 4. A Ghost in the Machine 5. The Sum of Our Choices 6. Dead Reckoning Opening Titles 7. The Entity 8. Your Mission… 9. This Is Not a Drill 10. The Plot Thickens 11. You Are Dunn 12. Get Out Now 13. A Colourful Past 14. Rush Hour in Rome 15. Roman Getaway 16. You’re Driving 17. Hit It 18. He Calls Himself Gabriel 19. A Most Probable Next 20. Run As Far As You Can 21. You Are Done 22. Chasing Grace 23. I Was Hoping It’d Be You 24. Ponte Dei Conzafelzi 25. To Be a Ghost 26. What Is Your Objective 27. Murder and The Orient Express 28. Mask of Lies 29. I Missed the Train 30. Key Details 31. The Moment of Truth 32. Should You Choose to Accept 33. Leap of Faith 34. Consequences 35. You Stop the Train 36. Chaos on the Line 37. Countdown 38. This Was the Plan 39. Curtain Call https://filmmusicreporter.com/2023/07/07/mission-impossible-dead-reckoning-part-1-soundtrack-album-details/ Niktob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niktob 4 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 My son and I are seeing it on Sunday and I can't wait. Although, kind of like Infinity War, I hope they give part 2 its own name when it comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,966 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Probably not. Infinity War & Endgame were named differently before the ad campaign of Infinity War started. Here they fully commited to the Part One subtitle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 That is certainly an energetic title sequence! Great performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Too bad he kept the EPIC choir. JTN and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JTN 2,030 Posted July 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2023 8 hours ago, Edmilson said: LB, like the Variety article says, uses hundreds of musicians to record hours and hours of music, and yet the result is always so... thin. “John Williams was able to write this at a piano! With a bunch of pencils!” igger6, leeallen01, Bayesian and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 He wouldn't have been able to write that uninspired ending to the track. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John F 100 Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Wonder if the digital release and La La’s release are identical… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archive Collection 214 Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 3 hours ago, John F said: Wonder if the digital release and La La’s release are identical… Probably not… last two Mission scores had bonus tracks! Not crazy about Balfe’s scores, but I appreciate how much music we’re getting. I always prefer to have (almost) too much rather than not enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,030 Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Archive Collection said: but I appreciate how much music we’re getting. I wonder how 2 CDs can hold 14 hours of music Balfe recorded for the film. Maybe it’ll be in .mp3 format. Or maybe we’ll get a Mondo deluxe edition with “The Mission Sketchbook”. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrayodiBA 517 Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Just saw the movie. And like what I wrote in the other thread, Lorne Balfe’s score works super wonderfully in the movie. If not for the score, the movie will not work great as it is now! A rare case where the score is one of the most important aspect of a movie. Balfe’s music truly lifts the emotion, especially in an important scene in the middle of the movie. The score is also mixed powerfully (this is a testament of how happy the filmmaker was with the music) Again, sorry Balfe hater, he truly shines in this movie! Further cementing him as one of the most sought after (if not the most) movie composer out there! But somehow, afer very well acknowlodging how great the score works in the movie, I’m not really eager to listen it on its own. As Balfe only plays with “repeating”, “rising” “epic” progression, which is maybe the cheapest trick in the book to make audience’s emotion “lifted”. But the good news is, is not really generic as I can hear some interesting orchestration here and there. But overall, Lorne Balfe has done a really wonderful job here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 I’m sorry but 9 additional music composers is a joke JTN, crumbs and Niktob 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 407 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 10 composers on one score. JTN and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, DangerMotif said: 39 tracks + the Teaser Trailer Music on the LLL release. 39 tracks were announced for the digital release too, so no CD exclusive bonus tracks! Niktob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DangerMotif 1,038 Posted July 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, TolkienSS said: 10 composers on one score. Plus 5 orchestrators crumbs, Bayesian and JTN 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 407 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, DangerMotif said: Plus 5 orchestrators I get the orchestrators. Orchestration can get very time consuming and tedious real fast. Especially if it's not exactly peak craft, like these RC scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 In its simplest form it's probably a combination of two things - Balfe giving new composers an opportunity and experience writing a few minutes of a major score, and major time crunches meaning that if Balfe needs to revise cues, someone else in his team can help. McCreary said this directly on a podcast - his team helps him on his TV shows when a lot of minutes are needed quickly and no one composer can physically do it all, especially when there are revisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: In its simplest form it's probably a combination of two things - Balfe giving new composers an opportunity and experience writing a few minutes of a major score, and major time crunches meaning that if Balfe needs to revise cues, someone else in his team can help. McCreary said this directly on a podcast - his team helps him on his TV shows when a lot of minutes are needed quickly and no one composer can physically do it all, especially when there are revisions. Balfe said he wrote over 14 hours and spent years on the film crumbs and MaxMovieMan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 407 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, DangerMotif said: Balfe said he wrote over 14 hours and spent years on the film That's really sad if you think about it. Can't a good composer get this time for a change? JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 minute ago, TolkienSS said: That's really sad if you think about it. Can't a good composer get this time for a change? Kraemer and Elfman didn’t have much time and delivered greatness JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TolkienSS 407 Posted July 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, DangerMotif said: Kraemer and Elfman didn’t have much time and delivered greatness Elfman's is still the best one. I like the minimalism. Mephariel, JTN and iamleyeti 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JTN 2,030 Posted July 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2023 14 hours ago, DangerMotif said: Balfe said he wrote over 14 hours and spent years on the film He wrote 14 hours of music + had 9 additional composers. All this for a 163 minute action film. Howard Shore didn’t write this much music for the entire LOTR Trilogy. MaxMovieMan, crumbs, Trope and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 It's probably mainly lots of alternates with minor differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fommes 153 Posted July 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2023 Having seen the film, the score suffers from the exact same problem as in Fallout, namely it's like being hit with a hammer for 3 hours, the hammer being the two M:I themes heavily RCP-style processed. It's a shame, I had higher expectations after Balfe scored His Dark Materials. Edmilson, JTN and leeallen01 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Rough calculation suggests that for a 2 1/2 hour score, 14 hours is about 5 versions of every cue. I've seen sessions where there are that many variations on half the cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,136 Posted July 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2023 After seeing the film and being physically annoyed by the score, I wont be listening to it on its own. It seemed the entire film was just a deafeningly loud constant repeat of the same 3 descending notes of the theme. I don't recall the last time I was actually seriously pis**d off with a score during a film. I actually wanted to leave about 30 mins into it, because the film was laughably bad and the score was already repetitive. Jurassic Shark, MaxMovieMan, Edmilson and 3 others 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 Out in NZ: https://www.qobuz.com/nz-en/album/mission-impossible-dead-reckoning-part-one-music-from-the-motion-picture-lorne-balfe/ym9mkss9ht9ea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxMovieMan 273 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 I feel like I’m at a college football game listening to this score. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 I prefer the other 5 scores to this one, including fallout. Nothing much for me except Spoiler Isla’s death music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 On 10/07/2023 at 12:04 PM, TolkienSS said: Elfman's is still the best one. I like the minimalism. I agree. Elfman's score is still the best. Not really because of minimalism but because it is the only score in the franchise that really nails that suspense, noir thriller feel. For me, Elfman's score is the best, Zimmer's score is the most fun, and I don't have any positive things to say about Giacchino's scores. Kramer's score has by far the best opening and ending cues though. Fallout is ok, but I thought the score got old very fast in the film. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mephariel said: the only score in the franchise that really nails that suspense, noir thriller feel. yeah true but also the only one FILMED like a noir thriller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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