toni112007 3 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 I believed that the original Imperial March (film version) was lost due to how old The Empire Strikes Back is and that we got bad album version due to someone remixing it badly but this video proves that the original version still exists and in good quality too (you can hear at 16:14 section that there are no tie fighters so the clean version does exist!)! If you can't hear the difference between this powerful and the best version imo from the crappy album one then I am sorry but yes they are different. I believe that someone at Disney or Lucasfilm intentionally holds back the best version possible of Imperial March from the fans. Smaug The Iron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted May 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2020 They're withholding A LOT of music from the fans, and that version of Imperial march is pretty low on my list of things that need to get released toni112007, Datameister, crumbs and 5 others 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,513 Posted May 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2020 . tmarps, Jurassic Shark, Smaug The Iron and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toni112007 3 Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Fabulin said: It can be accessed on every copy of ESB that has an iso score option. You are joking right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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King Mark 3,631 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 wait.Even I'm not sure if your joking bollemanneke and toni112007 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toni112007 3 Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 14 minutes ago, Fabulin said: Sent you PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 if it was true we'd all know about it a long time ago toni112007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Isn't the version on the SE the film version? All the various mixes, sources and releases for this score are too darn confusing. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 A different take was tracked over the end of Imperial Probe, like it unfortunately happened with most of the little tail-end cutaway statements which were nevertheless all shaped to fit the cues and be varied instead of straight retreads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 I'd rather have the original intended version that's on the SE, which is the most awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Well that goes without saying, it should be presented as Imperial March (alternate) somewhere, and the intended recordings left intact. (no placing film version inserts randomly around either, ahem) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toni112007 3 Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 hour ago, King Mark said: if it was true we'd all know about it a long time ago You were correct. Film mix isn't available. 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Isn't the version on the SE the film version? All the various mixes, sources and releases for this score are too darn confusing. No, if you listen carefully they are different. SE version doesn't have cymbals and much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 It's not just a mixing issue either, there are a few note changes as well. toni112007 and aj_vader 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 8:06 AM, toni112007 said: I believed that the original Imperial March (film version) was lost due to how old The Empire Strikes Back is and that we got bad album version due to someone remixing it badly but this video proves that the original version still exists and in good quality too (you can hear at 16:14 section that there are no tie fighters so the clean version does exist!)! If you can't hear the difference between this powerful and the best version imo from the crappy album one then I am sorry but yes they are different. I believe that someone at Disney or Lucasfilm intentionally holds back the best version possible of Imperial March from the fans. What the screaming fuck are you talking about? toni112007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 8:06 AM, toni112007 said: I believed that the original Imperial March (film version) was lost due to how old The Empire Strikes Back is and that we got bad album version due to someone remixing it badly but this video proves that the original version still exists and in good quality too (you can hear at 16:14 section that there are no tie fighters so the clean version does exist!)! If you can't hear the difference between this powerful and the best version imo from the crappy album one then I am sorry but yes they are different. I believe that someone at Disney or Lucasfilm intentionally holds back the best version possible of Imperial March from the fans. FYI that clip in the video you posted is actually from a documentary from the 80's. That footage isn't new, we've had it for decades. The original recording is likely lost to time. toni112007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 6 hours ago, Bryant Burnette said: What the screaming fuck are you talking about? He's talking about the music in the film itself, for when the Imperial Fleet is first shown in space after Han & Chewie destroy the probe. The film drops Williams' intended cue (the cue first made available on the 1997 SE set as "Aboard The Executor"), and tracks in The Imperial March instead. But more specifically, it doesn't track in the same takes that were used to assemble the album version of The Imperial March, they tracked in different takes with different instrumentation and such. I hope that explains it for you. toni112007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 I don't think Disney is "holding it back." They haven't done a new program of Star Wars music since they've owned the rights. When the time comes, I'm sure all the film versions will be on the disc (although as others mentioned, I hope this one is stuck in the alternates in favor of Williams' original intentions). toni112007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 When assembling the 1980 OST LP, John Williams and his team chose the takes they wanted for the desired performance and final definitive edit of The Impoerial March presented on the LP and used on every album since. The team working on the film decided to track some different takes than the album takes for the scene in question The makers of the 1994 4CD box set didn't have space to include the different takes tracked into the film, and it surely wasn't a priority for the makers of the 1997 2CD set either. And there has been no new albums of Empire music released since 1997, only re-issues of prior albums. The mouse house is not the entity to blame for not being able to hear the film takes outside of the film itself. No one is to blame, really. The large majority of films released contain music in them that is not available on albums. toni112007 and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Didn't the Disney demasters feature different takes in some cases? Did somebody compare the demaster Imperial March to previous releases to verify they were they same takes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 The prequel albums used different takes in spots but I don't think the original trilogy albums did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 That seems to be correct. There's nothing I noticed was different on the OT albums aside from the mixing. Like ESB being primarily mixed in one channel. Chewy and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Well, it's hard converting an LCR mix to stereo! I've lost hope that the multitrack masters exist for these scores anymore, in satisfactory condition anyway. What a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minority report 1 13 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, crumbs said: Well, it's hard converting an LCR mix to stereo! I've lost hope that the multitrack masters exist for these scores anymore, in satisfactory condition anyway. What a disaster. amazing that they were never digitalized and preserved 7 minutes ago, crumbs said: Well, it's hard converting an LCR mix to stereo! I've lost hope that the multitrack masters exist for these scores anymore, in satisfactory condition anyway. What a disaster. amazing that they were never digitalized and preserved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 On 5/31/2020 at 3:06 PM, toni112007 said: I believe that someone at Disney or Lucasfilm intentionally holds back the best version possible of Imperial March from the fans. That person was probably appointed by Williams after he'd picked his preferred takes for the original album release. He put the remaining tapes in a vault and placed a guard in front of it. That person has been on Lucasfilm's and now Disney's payroll ever since and is paid a large salary to guard those tapes with their life, making certain that nobody will ever get to hear them. fommes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 I like the Imperial March on the Disney OST. It's the standout track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Didn't the Disney demasters feature different takes in some cases? Did somebody compare the demaster Imperial March to previous releases to verify they were they same takes? I've already compared them, they're not the same take. It's still the same old album takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toni112007 3 Posted June 2, 2020 Author Share Posted June 2, 2020 I hope that one day we will get something like anthology (probably the best star wars soundtrack release ever) release with outtakes including more movie version of the soundtracks. Anyway I have noticed 1980/anthology version sounding different than limited/SE edition (worse quality imo). 1980/anthology you can even hear cymbals if you boost some frequencies. They can barely be heard on stock version because someone did bad job at mixing it, I think it was Eric Tomlinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, toni112007 said: I hope that one day we will get something like anthology (probably the best star wars soundtrack release ever) release with outtakes including more movie version of the soundtracks. Anyway I have noticed 1980/anthology version sounding different than limited/SE edition (worse quality imo). 1980/anthology you can even hear cymbals if you boost some frequencies. They can barely be heard on stock version because someone did bad job at mixing it, I think it was Eric Tomlinson. It wasn't a mixing problem. As has been discussed here many times over the last two decades, someone accidentally left the DNR tool running too long, basically slowly shaving off the higher frequencies. toni112007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 This whole thread seems to be on the verge of obsession, regarding The Imperial Mar- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 I can't ever imagine it being released on CD or digital separately (as much as I want it to happen). I can see score only versions of all the films going on Disney Plus is the only likely way we would get it. But the chances of that are also slim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksparrow900 32 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDDmOm8VG_0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 That is a really nice reconstruction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stravinsky 206 Posted June 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2020 Can't believe the amount of anal minutae on this forum. Who gives a toss if it's the same music but a different take? Christ. Gruesome Son of a Bitch, crumbs and Martinland 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted June 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2020 What do you gain by making a post like this one, instead of just closing the thread if you don't care about it's subject, and reading a different thread instead? I would speculate that there are things in your life you are passionate about that others would not understand, and you would not enjoy people making fun of you for them. aj_vader, TheUlyssesian, crumbs and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 hour ago, stravinsky said: Who gives a toss if it's the same music but a different take? We do! Lol. We're extremists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toni112007 3 Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 22 hours ago, stravinsky said: Can't believe the amount of anal minutae on this forum. Who gives a toss if it's the same music but a different take? Christ. I will never give up on the movie Imperial March. Never!!! aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Jane Austen — 'One half of the world cannot understand the pleasures of the other.' aj_vader and toni112007 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 On 6/9/2020 at 4:18 PM, stravinsky said: Can't believe the amount of anal minutae on this forum. Who gives a toss if it's the same music but a different take? Christ. Do you not know where you are? 😂 toni112007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toni112007 3 Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 On 6/6/2020 at 10:06 PM, Manakin Skywalker said: That is a really nice reconstruction! I made my own fan reconstruction edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 On 6/10/2020 at 3:26 PM, toni112007 said: I will never give up on the movie Imperial March. Never!!! The movie is actually titled The Empire Strikes Back. toni112007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 I never really noticed the film version was that different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Neither did I, to be honest, although I haven't watched Empire since 2013 or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 I haven't watched it since 1980. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toni112007 3 Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 2 hours ago, King Mark said: I never really noticed the film version was that different But it is. But probably bigger issue is that the album version is bad quality since much of the higher frequencies are missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 8 hours ago, toni112007 said: But it is. But probably bigger issue is that the album version is bad quality since much of the higher frequencies are missing. That depends on the release. On the OST and Anthology boxset it's perfect. On the SE, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 On 6/9/2020 at 8:18 AM, stravinsky said: Can't believe the amount of anal minutae on this forum. Who gives a toss if it's the same music but a different take? Christ. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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