bollemanneke 3,349 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Harry Potter. Hook is great, but only HP1 makes me feel both carefree and emotional at different moments. Probably nostalgia. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 969 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I love both but went for Potter, probably because, like the poster above me, it instils more nostalgia in me. I'm not a Potter movie fan at all but the music was so prevalent in the early 00s. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Is there a way this can be set to be able to view who voted for what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,514 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 . Jurassic Shark and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 No just wondering, as it is fairly down the middle. Would like to see who is like-minded Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: No just wondering, as it is fairly down the middle. Would like to see who is like-minded Done. Just click on the number of voters for each option to see who voted on what. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 So basically all the sane people voted for Hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,370 Posted June 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2020 Wow, tough poll question, for real. I absolutely love both scores, and consider them both top tier Williams. So it's just picking between masterpieces. I give the edge to Hook, for a more well-rounded experience, with a clear beginning, middle, and end, which each cue moving the story forward. Harry Potter 1 is a rich score, but it's also a lot of repetition as there's very little story, and more just setting stuff up for future movies. Like as awesome as Voldemort's theme is, it doesn't really go anywhere or develop, while all the music for Hook and Smee gets wonderful variations and progression 1977, crlbrg and Falstaft 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Hook, didn't even need to think about it. Don't get me wrong, they're both A+ scores, but Hook is, in my mind, a JW masterpiece, with every single cue essential and every melody unforgettable. HP1, for all its wonders, has many more longueurs and fewer constant stretches of pure musical invention. I particularly agree with @Jay on how effectively Hook is crafted as an overall score, with set-up and payoff for all the major themes and a feeling of beginning, middle, and end that I don't quite get with HP1's more sprawling narrative. Particularly with 9m3 ("The Banquet") onward, it's a constant succession of all-time-great Williams cues (give or take "When You're Alone"...). Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 13 hours ago, publicist said: Potter is a more refined work, with more idiomatic depth than the all-out cutesy Disney excesses of Hook. Still, i wouldn't want to lose cues like Farewell Neverland. But Hook is a Tristar picture. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,550 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 23 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: It doesn't even have a creator. Justin. Justin! We...are "the creator". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 V'ger.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oierem 152 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Hook was one of the first film scores that I was aware of as a young kid, and that I loved. Long before I understood that scores are written by someone, long before I owned any soudntrack at all, I loved the music of Hook. HP1 was one of the first OST I owned, and I have to say it was a disappointment at that time... just because it was my first experience with the fact that soundtracks were incomplete! Until then, the only soundtracks I had were the SW trilogy double-CDs and the Ultimate Edition of TPM. I honestly believed that a OST would include all the music in the film! I remember desperately trying to figure out why the "Entry to the Great Hall" music wasn't there on the track with that name! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 hour ago, oierem said: HP1 was one of the first OST I owned, and I have to say it was a disappointment at that time... just because it was my first experience with the fact that soundtracks were incomplete! Until then, the only soundtracks I had were the SW trilogy double-CDs and the Ultimate Edition of TPM. I honestly believed that a OST would include all the music in the film! I remember desperately trying to figure out why the "Entry to the Great Hall" music wasn't there on the track with that name! lol I had a similar struggle with the Lost World OST. Why for example could excerpts from "Ludlow's Demise" be heard at three different spots in the film? When you don't know anything about tracking and re-arranging for album experiences yet, that can be very confusing. oierem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackR 95 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Hook. They're both masterpieces but Hook has the edge both thematically and for me, nostalgically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Potter. Hook is incredible, but it’s an exhausting listen. It’s probably the most extra score JW has ever done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Hook. Only you weenie zoomers prefer that nerdy Potter rubbish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 I do wonder what the demographics are for each side of this vote...it does appear that the original (Pre-Potter) class of JWFANs voted for Hook, give or take a King Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 They are both brilliant but I voted for hook to make it tighter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 I could be wrong but I seem to recall JWFaners at the time being disappointed with Potter when it came out. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,666 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: I could be wrong but I seem to recall JWFaners at the time being disappointed with Potter when it came out. I think the majority really liked it. My biggest complaint was there was too much Hedwig's theme throughout the score. There were also some unfulfilled expectation issues when the music from the trailer did not make it into Hedwig's concert theme itself (which was itself premiered the summer before the movie). In terms of the considered topic, many thought Quidditch music hearkened back to the Ultimate War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted June 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2020 29 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: I could be wrong but I seem to recall JWFaners at the time being disappointed with Potter when it came out. It's been the style here 20 years to bash all the new scores. And then realise after 10-20 years that it was very good. Weird place. Edmilson, bollemanneke and Remco 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 364 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 I remember reading somewhere that the general thinking when Harry Potter came out was that it was a rehash of Hook without the magic. Funny how things shift. I tried to find a JWFAN "Hook vs. Potter" poll from 15 years ago, alas without success... bollemanneke and 1977 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Potter was a rehash of Hook without the magic. No pun intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,515 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 11 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: I could be wrong but I seem to recall JWFaners at the time being disappointed with Potter when it came out. I was, and I still kinda am. I mean, "Hedwig's theme" was great (back when it was fresh and not played to death as it is now), and it had a couple of neat setpieces, like "Chess Game". But overall, I found it too directionless. Lots of tropes, little development or definition. A far, far cry from the consistently thematic and enjoyable HOOK - despite its long running time. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 That's why I prefer CoS as a score, even if it leans heavily on PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,515 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 CHAMBER is fine (and it has that gorgeous Phoenix theme), but that didn't make much an impression either, at least not on me. It was only with AZKABAN that I was truly wowed. I still consider it one of his best scores of the 2000s. It was as if the Williams of the early to mid 90s had suddenly and unexpectedly been ressurected for this - at a time when his style, post-A.I., had really evolved elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 36 minutes ago, Thor said: It was only with AZKABAN that I was truly wowed. I can make a copy for you of the expanded score if you like. Unlucky Bastard and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,515 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 No, thank you. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Seriously, I wouldn't mind at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Thor said: CHAMBER is fine (and it has that gorgeous Phoenix theme) Don't forget that magnificent (and criminally underused in the score) Chamber of Secrets theme. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 That theme isn't very good, it's the arrangement that elevates it. bollemanneke and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: That theme isn't very good it's the arrangement that elevates it. I can make a copy for you of the expanded score if you like, it's much more developed in the LLL than on the OST. Smeltington and 1977 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted June 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chewy said: I can make a copy for you of the expanded score if you like, it's much more developed in the LLL than on the OST. Thanks, but I already got a copy from Thor. Will, Chewy, eitam and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: That theme isn't very good, it's the arrangement that elevates it. Arrangement is everything. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bollemanneke 3,349 Posted June 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2020 16 hours ago, eitam said: I remember reading somewhere that the general thinking when Harry Potter came out was that it was a rehash of Hook without the magic. Funny how things shift. I tried to find a JWFAN "Hook vs. Potter" poll from 15 years ago, alas without success... I heard the same and couldn't believe it either. How on earth does HP1 lack magic? It's overflowing with magic. Five seconds and I still feel like I just entered a completely new world. Chewy, Remco, Edmilson and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Difficult to chose... I went for Hook although I agree that nowadays we have a better official representation of Philosopher's Stone than Hook. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted June 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2020 Now it's a tie! 38 votes for each score! The suspense! 1977, Unlucky Bastard, Montre and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 When do the polls close? 5 hours ago, bollemanneke said: I heard the same and couldn't believe it either. How on earth does HP1 lack magic? It's overflowing with magic. Five seconds and I still feel like I just entered a completely new world. I remember people thinking it would be "the next Hook" and then being disappointed that it wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted June 13, 2020 Author Share Posted June 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: I remember people thinking it would be "the next Hook" and then being disappointed that it wasn't. How so? Hook is a nautical adventures about Pirates, and HPPS revolves around a school of magic. Two very different films. It's the same as expecting that Adventures of Tintin would be the next Raiders of the Lost Ark... oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Sorcerer's Stone by a wide margin Montre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montre 79 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: That theme isn't very good, it's the arrangement that elevates it. What criteria are we basing how “good” a theme is? For me this is a great theme. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 My subjective opinion, of course. And that's the criteria everybody should use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: How so? Hook is a nautical adventures about Pirates, and HPPS revolves around a school of magic. Two very different films. It's the same as expecting that Adventures of Tintin would be the next Raiders of the Lost Ark... oh wait. Not sure what you mean. This thread is about the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted June 13, 2020 Author Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, JTWfan77 said: Not sure what you mean. This thread is about the music. I know, I just found a little odd that people were expecting similar music from Hook on Philosopher's Stone, two fantasy movies that are very different from each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,017 Posted June 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2020 Hook has a vast array of really strong themes. I used to love this score and still would appreciate a brand new proper expanded album. But I fear listening to it these days might give me diabetes. It's something that's amazing in its richness but it feels like too much. I grew out of it. Philosopher's Stone I didn't love as much when it first came out. It felt at the time like a rehash of many Williams' scores from 1989-1992 era. But it grew on me, especially after the LLL set came out. I can listen to it all the way through and never get tired of it. So Potter wins this time but it is not an easy choice. It just depends on how you look at it. Karol Brundlefly, TheUlyssesian and eitam 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 364 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 22 hours ago, bollemanneke said: I heard the same and couldn't believe it either. How on earth does HP1 lack magic? It's overflowing with magic. Five seconds and I still feel like I just entered a completely new world. The "Potter = sub-Hook" sentiment was something I could get behind back when I discovered Hook in 2007, and I was overwhelmed by the abundance of themes, the great setpieces, the bright orchestrations. At some point it was ostensibly my favourite JW score, tied with Schindler's List. But it's like Karol described, I sort of grew out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Soon, you'll outgrow HP as well. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 364 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 What could replace it ? The BFG ? Nah, I'm not there yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 2 hours ago, eitam said: What could replace it ? The BFG ? Nah, I'm not there yet Heartbeeps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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