Holko 9,526 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Oh wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chewy 2,391 Posted August 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2021 Recording, for those who missed it: Chewy · RTE Eiger Sanction Oceadge, crlbrg, Holko and 5 others 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted August 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2021 As promised, here's some covers in the style of Jim Titus, for anyone who prefers Clint's foot attached to his leg. OST Tribute Version: Retro/Vintage Version: And an OST specific version for disc 2, if anyone uses alternate covers: Smeltington, Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Muad'Dib and 11 others 4 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Fantastic work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Chewy said: Recording, for those who missed it: Chewy · RTE Eiger Sanction RTÉ seem to regularly get these exclusives. Might be worth keeping an eye on the hosts twitter for future releases. Oceadge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 This score sounds like it's halfway between the disaster scores and Black Sunday! Which it is, so that checks out. blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 @crumbs I’d like a version where his foot replaces his head please Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted August 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2021 1 hour ago, MikeH said: @crumbs I’d like a version where his foot replaces his head please How's this? Dr. Rick, Smeltington, Taikomochi and 10 others 10 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Perfection! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, crumbs said: How's this? ...and I was about to congratulate you on your perfect Titusoid covers above and promote you to the rank of Titling. ...with this one, you've officially surpassed him. Oh wow, you even included [REDACTED] ! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Omen II 1,235 Posted August 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2021 1 hour ago, crumbs said: WOW!! Some big revelations from Mike just now! Film score on disc 1 runs 75 minutes, so there must be heaps of unused music if the film itself only has less than an hour of score (including source). Universal found the original multitrack masters for the OST, so they were able to remaster it from scratch for this release. Hell yes! Should be a huge quality upgrade. They also discovered music recorded for the OST but ultimately not released, so it's now been added back into the assembly! This release sounds incredible! This really is fantastic news! It was great to hear the original The Microfilm Killing track, which is longer than what is heard near the beginning of the film for the scene where Wormwood is killed by an enemy agent. I believe that the scene was originally a bit longer and much gorier (Wormwood tries to swallow the microfilm in an attempt to save it from falling into enemy hands, so you do the math...). Perhaps Williams scored this longer, uncut X-rated version of the scene? On a point of order, the character Anna is the wife of the French climber Montaigne and does not climb the mountain herself. If I recall correctly, I think the end of that Anna on the Stairs cue can still be heard in the film as the climb begins, but I would have to watch it again to be sure. I know I bang on about the music for when Montaigne is injured by falling rocks, but I really cannot wait to hear it outside the film. It is a classic Williams action cue and I am hoping it might also be one of the extra album tracks discovered on the Universal master tapes. Perhaps my favourite bit of the cue is a repeated three note descending motif played fortissimo in a major key as Hemlock tries to save the stricken Frenchman. It is the same three notes as the nursery rhyme Three Blind Mice, which I like to think is an inspired commentary by Williams on the other climbers accompanying Hemlock on their ill-fated expedition. It is all the more striking because the rest of the cue is in a minor key. Damn, John Williams is brilliant isn't he? fommes, Jay and crumbs 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 So disc 1 is the complete film score with unused selections, and runs over 75 minutes. Disc 2 is an expanded OST which includes music recorded for the album but dropped at the time. No mention of source music but it doesn't sound promising (unless it's mixed into the rest of the tracks on disc 1, which seems unlikely). @Omen II I just realised you wrote up the excellent analysis of the score here! I've been using this as reference to see what we can look forward to on disc 1. But a quick calculation of the score cues you listed adds up to only only ~43 minutes of film score, including the unused Fifty Miles of Desert cue. The runtime of 75+ minutes is quite a substantial increase?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Gosh, crumbs, how long does it take you to churn out those covers? The last one was funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 @Thor You now have no excuse not to listen to this new release since Mike confirmed it features a brand new mix of the OST (with, I guess, a much much better sound now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, Thor said: Gosh, crumbs, how long does it take you to churn out those covers? The last one was funny. Ohh, not that long really. Time flies when you're having fun though 1 minute ago, Chewy said: @Thor You now have no excuse not to listen to this new release since Mike confirmed it features a brand new mix of the OST (with, I guess, a much much better sound now). And also new album tracks that Williams couldn't include on the existing OST, maybe due to space limitations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Omen II 1,235 Posted August 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2021 28 minutes ago, crumbs said: @Omen II I just realised you wrote up the excellent analysis of the score here! I've been using this as reference to see what we can look forward to on disc 1. But a quick calculation of the score cues you listed adds up to only only ~43 minutes of film score, including the unused Fifty Miles of Desert cue. The runtime of 75+ minutes is quite a substantial increase?! Definitely, which makes this release all the more exciting. Even if all the source music were included, it would mean that we have at least twenty minutes of score that will be new to everyone except those who were on the soundstage in 1975 and those who had a hand in this release. Incidentally, I have just checked and the music at the end of the Anna on the Stairs track is not heard in the film. The transition plays without music. Holko, crumbs and blondheim 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Omen II said: Definitely, which makes this release all the more exciting. Even if all the source music were included, it would mean that we have at least twenty minutes of score that will be new to everyone except those who were on the soundstage in 1975 and those who had a hand in this release. I genuinely think the source music would feel right at home with some of the score cues from this film, so I'd like to think Mike found an organic way to mix them into the score presesntation. IIRC Earthquake had a similar mix like that (although, after watching that film, I realised a substantial amount of source music was still omitted from the expansion, and only a few select pieces made it through). Omen II 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 25 minutes ago, Chewy said: @Thor You now have no excuse not to listen to this new release since Mike confirmed it features a brand new mix of the OST (with, I guess, a much much better sound now). But the OST is also expanded, which cancels that out Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted August 7, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2021 Intrada Records was kind enough to let JWFan premiere the tracklist, a sample track, and a preview of Jon Burlingame's liner notes and Kay Marshall's artwork. Check it out! https://www.jwfan.com/?p=13427 Amer, Chewy, Andy and 11 others 8 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Hot dog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Cool. Is Kay Marshall a woman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 I just read through the tracklist. This looks like a fantastic release. crumbs and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 7, 2021 Author Share Posted August 7, 2021 It is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Can we expect one typo in the booklet? Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 That tracklist is astonishing! So many short cues in @Omen II's excellent analysis are now substantially expanded here, and there's many new cues in places the film was unscored! Simply amazing! And to top it all off, Mike found a way to convince JW to include some source music as well! Hot damn, this might just be the release of the year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 7, 2021 Author Share Posted August 7, 2021 It is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 50 minutes ago, Permanent Waves said: But the OST is also expanded, which cancels that out Yeah, not thrilled about that. But as I said -- I'm definitely going to check out this (the digital version). Whether or not I'm going to replace my iTunes files with the new album release tracks, remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jay said: It is! @Jay I'm curious, D2T1 has a listed runtime of 2:46, but the existing OST track is 2:28. Typo? Or newly reinstated music that JW removed from the OST? 6 minutes ago, Thor said: Yeah, not thrilled about that. But as I said -- I'm definitely going to check out this (the digital version). Whether or not I'm going to replace my iTunes files with the new album release tracks, remains to be seen. Technically the OST is presented intact at the start of disc 2, followed by the source music and then the extra OST material that wasn't included originally. But it's material JW recorded with the intention of including it on his original OST, so... well, I'll let you deal with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted August 7, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, crumbs said: newly reinstated music that JW removed from the OST? That. The Varese CD faded the track out early for some reason. Now we get to hear the full ending. A. A. Ron, crumbs, Chewy and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Just now, Jay said: That. The Varese CD faded the track out early for some reason. Now we get to hear the full ending. BRILLIANT! Had a feeling that might be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Wow the sample track is glorious. So much more expansive than the re-recording. I bought the Varese CD from Tower Records when I was 24. This is going to be a revelation and we'll worth the 27 year wait. To be honest this is a score I had forgotten all about. But hearing the basses, horns and pizzicato Celli plus a little repeated turn in the synth at the very end! 74 to 84 was Williams greatest decade. This score is from the start of Williams approaching his zenith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted August 7, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2021 In my opinion the film recording is completely superior to the album re-recording in every way. Better writing, performance, recording, and sound quality. I think he really did a disservice to the score when crafting the album recording. The combination of what he chose to re-record for it vs what not, the changes to the instrumentation he made to what he did re-record, the brand new music he wrote specifically for it, the completely haphazard order he put it all into, and the somehow less detailed recording all combine to really present a very different version of the music than his original score. Just compare the main title in this sample to the main title track on the album. The first what, 2 minutes or so is more or less the same between the two, though you can already hear a difference in performance, instrumentation, and recording. But then the film recording goes into this awesome, moody ending that completely sets up the rest of the first act and really the whole score, while the album re-recording goes into a jazz bit that has nothing to do with anything else . Yavar Moradi, Tallguy and Tom Guernsey 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 I'm sure this isn't fully accurate, but I did a quick and dirty comparison of all the usage of music in the film and compared it with the tracklist (making lots of assumptions about which cues are combined into which tracks). So this was the result, and it's pretty astonishing just how much more music the Intrada has. The second last track in particular -- it seems Williams scored almost the entire sequence and Clint only used two 30 second excerpts for the film! Tracks 6 through 8 have me really curious, because the film has an intriguing blend of source and score throughout that sequence. It's unclear how Mike has arranged all that, but I'm sure it'll be perfect. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,389 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, Thor said: Yeah, not thrilled about that. But as I said -- I'm definitely going to check out this (the digital version). Whether or not I'm going to replace my iTunes files with the new album release tracks, remains to be seen. Heh. With all affection and respect, I might have to change my signature line to "Thor can listen to what he wants to." Me? Between this and Wrath of Khan I'm having a great August. This might be the first score I'm buying in ages that I haven't owned in some prior form. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, Tallguy said: With all affection and respect, I might have to change my signature line to "Thor can listen to what he wants to." Listened to the first minute of the Varese and compared with this sample. The only possible explanation is that Thor's deaf. Or decides to be deaf. The old mix is hot garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Amer 2,109 Posted August 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2021 This has to be the most exciting Williams release in recent times. In terms of premiere release and OST Material and extras! This would be a 'double premiere' for me as I have never had the previous album and only heard heard the poor quality soundclips on youtube. What a treat to look forward to! blondheim, MikeH and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 7, 2021 Author Share Posted August 7, 2021 The JWFan sample is the film's main title, not the album's. Hopefully Intrada's store page on Monday will have samples from the album remaster crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jay said: The JWFan sample is the film's main title, not the album's. whoops, then either the old mix is garbage or the old mix and the album recording is garbage in comparison to the film one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blondheim 1,157 Posted August 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2021 44 minutes ago, crumbs said: Hot damn, this might just be the release of the year! 43 minutes ago, Jay said: It is! So far... Hook's coming Dr. Rick, QuartalHarmony and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted August 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Holko said: whoops, then either the old mix is garbage or the old mix and the album recording is garbage in comparison to the film one Well Mike said Universal found the multi-tracks for the album recording and they mixed the OST presentation from scratch. So it should sound absolutely sparkling brilliant! He probably avoided a new transfer of existing stereo masters for the explicit purpose of fixing that awful sounding previous release (which presumably requires multi-track elements). Earthquake is from roughly the same period and also sounded superb on the recent LLL. 5 minutes ago, blondheim said: So far... Hook's coming I'll believe it when I see it. Holko, Chewy, blondheim and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, crumbs said: I'll believe it when I see it. Well, just don't harsh my buzz. I'm manifesting. I know The Secret A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 38 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Heh. With all affection and respect, I might have to change my signature line to "Thor can listen to what he wants to." That would be awesome! Actually, in my earlier 2009 review of the film, I believe I mentioned that I preferred the original film version of the main titles over the album version. So there might be some mixing and trixing there, we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 34 minutes ago, Holko said: The only possible explanation is that Thor's deaf. Well, he does have tinnitus IIRC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Ahh, the last of the 'cool' Williams titles rescued. The opening credits are superior to the album version (which in turn has several mellow pop/jazz versions of that euro theme), plus there are probably more dramatic cues left off the old MCA. We get both, so the best of both worlds. Thanks Intrada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 7, 2021 Author Share Posted August 7, 2021 On 8/5/2021 at 5:21 PM, mahler3 said: There’s a lot of radio activity for this album happening from Saturday, in addition to the Legacy interview with Mike Matessino. 7th Aug: RTE Lyric FM will premiere 2 tracks personally introduced by Mike M. This is on Aedin Gormley’s 1-4pm show. 9 hours ago, His Royal Noelness said: 5 hours ago, Chewy said: Recording, for those who missed it: Chewy · RTE Eiger Sanction Just listened to this. After Mike's lovely introduction which sets up that they'd be playing The Microfilm Killing from the film recordings, they actually played the album re-recording track The Microfilm Killing (which is actually a combination he made of the unused cue for the unlocked safe deleted scene seguing into the microfilm killing music) So a sample of the album remaster is out there after all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 On 8/5/2021 at 9:55 PM, Jay said: I found it hard to listen to the OST album because the Varese CD edition had such crummy sound quality (what happened there?) The MCA LP from '75 had to have sounded better than that... Sorry for the late reply, but just today did I have the time to compare the LP with the CD. The LP does sound better than the transfer. The sound is wider on the LP, while the CD sounds muffled, probably due to the use of early 90's noise reduction technology. Something I won't bother checking again in a few weeks Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahler3 478 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Scala Radio are premiering the Main Title (film version) on Monday between 9 & 10am. Not sure why the wrong cue was played on Lyric as they actually chose which ones they wanted to play. Mike and I usually dictate the best cues to showcase. Ah well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 7, 2021 Author Share Posted August 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Miguel Andrade said: Sorry for the late reply, but just today did I have the time to compare the LP with the CD. The LP does sound better than the transfer. The sound is wider on the LP, while the CD sounds muffled, probably due to the use of early 90's noise reduction technology. Something I won't bother checking again in a few weeks Yea, I figured the actual LP released in 75 sounded fine, or at least commensurate with other LPS of the era. The Varese CD is seriously messed up somehow. I wonder if UMG will release Mike's remaster on digital platforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, Miguel Andrade said: Sorry for the late reply, but just today did I have the time to compare the LP with the CD. The LP does sound better than the transfer. The sound is wider on the LP, while the CD sounds muffled, probably due to the use of early 90's noise reduction technology. Something I won't bother checking again in a few weeks Oh gosh, you just made me desire the LP even more. Miguel Andrade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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