Thor 8,335 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just now, Steve said: According to the text the recording is not from the Tanglewood premiere. That's OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,237 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 So these pieces didn't make the cut? Devil's Dance (2020) Across The Stairs (2021 update of 2019 arrangement crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,385 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 Yea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Once 681 Posted February 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, Amer said: So these pieces didn't make the cut? Devil's Dance (2020) Across The Stairs (2021 update of 2019 arrangement) So these pieces didn't make the cut? Devil's Dance (2020) Across The Stairs (2021 update of 2019 arrangement) So these pieces didn't make the cut? Devil's Dance (2020) Across The Stairs (2021 update of 2019 arrangement) Only Williams could make a piece called Across the Stairs interesting, hehe! I'm sad Devil's Dance didn't make the cut, though. bespinGPT, Jurassic Shark, Bayesian and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 39,385 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2022 It is a bit surprising they didn't lay down a recording of Devil's Dance for this, considering the 7 tracks we're getting come to about 50 minutes of music. There was room for Devil's Dance AND the updated Across The Stars. Oh well. Once, Will and crlbrg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,036 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Like for Across the Stars they could publish a deluxe edition including the missing tracks. But I guess, that is not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,385 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 Just noticed on the JPC.DE site that Shawn Murphy is listed as the producer Anne Sophie Mutter violin Boston Symphony Orchestra Orchestra John Williams conductor/bandleader Bernhard Guettler Producer (Music) Shawn Murphy Producer (Music) BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 950 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Wait, so there's a version of Devil's Dance that's newer than the one in Vienna? And there are three versions of Across the Stars? Wasn't there an "original" one that Mutter performed somewhere in Europe like a year before the album came out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,172 Posted February 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, igger6 said: Wait, so there's a version of Devil's Dance that's newer than the one in Vienna? And there are three versions of Across the Stars? Wasn't there an "original" one that Mutter performed somewhere in Europe like a year before the album came out? Yep! Not too shabby, for a theme that Williams "can't for the life of me remember" where it came from. Once, igger6, crlbrg and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxTheHouseelf 332 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Nice! Just preordered the edition with signed booklet by ASM from DG Store. https://store.deutschegrammophon.com/p50-a157404/john-williams-anne-sophie-mutter-boston-symphony-orchestra/index.html?onChangeLanguage=1&language_id=EN BB-8 and Jay 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,385 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 hours ago, igger6 said: Wait, so there's a version of Devil's Dance that's newer than the one in Vienna? No, no one ever said it was different than the Vienna one. It was simply speculated that it could be on this album, since it wasn't on Across The Stars. Now, we know it is not. John Williams In Vienna remains the only album you can buy to hear it. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,323 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 10 hours ago, Jay said: The joint albums and performances by the legendary film composer John Williams and the star violinist Anne-Sophie Mutter are undoubtedly among the highlights of recent years. This album is the latest in a longstanding friendship and collaboration between the world's acclaimed artists: Mutter performs John Williams' Violin Concerto No. 2, which the composer wrote for her. Williams says of his Violin Concerto: “For me, this piece is primarily about Anne-Sophie Mutter and about the violin as a masterpiece of the art of violin making. (...) Ultimately, this great artist herself became my inspiration and driving force.” The present recording for Deutsche Grammophon, with the Boston Symphony Orchestra conducted by Williams himself, was written shortly after the world premiere of the Second Violin Concerto in Tanglewood in July 2021. The Boston Globe wrote, "Even in this premiere, Mutter carried the solo like an old friend, shaping every phrase with purpose and panache." The lyrical and deeply personal concerto follows the album with three fantastic encores: Popular film themes from Williams, including from Star Wars and Indiana Jones, all of which he has completely re-arranged for Anne-Sophie Mutter. The expressiveness of Mutter's playing is reflected in various details of the violin concerto, but also in the beautiful film melodies, as is her virtuoso brilliance and the lyrical warmth of her violin tone. Track listing: Violin Concerto No. 2 1 I. Prologue (Violin Concerto No. 2) 2 II. Rounds (Violin Concerto No. 2) 3 III. Dactyls (Violin Concerto No. 2) 4 IV. Epilogue (Violin Concerto No. 2) 5 Theme (From "The Long Goodbye") 6 Han Solo and the Princess (From "Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back") 7 Marion's Theme (From "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark") Artists: Anne-Sophie Mutter, Boston Symphony Orchestra, John Williams Label: DGG , DDD, 2021 Order number: 10860297 Release date: 3.6.2022 Anne Sophie Mutter violin Boston Symphony Orchestra Orchestra John Williams conductor/bandleader Bernhard Guettler Producer (Music) Shawn Murphy Producer (Music) https://store.deutschegrammophon.com/p51-i0028948616985/john-williams-anne-sophie-mutter-boston-symphony-orchestra/violin-concerto-no-2-selected-film-themes/index.html SWEET! I just pre-ordered my copy with the booklet signed by Anne-Sophie Mutter! Once and BB-8 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 950 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: No, no one ever said it was different than the Vienna one. It was simply speculated that it could be on this album, since it wasn't on Across The Stars. Now, we know it is not. John Williams In Vienna remains the only album you can buy to hear it. Gotcha. So there's also no known studio recording of it, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,385 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, igger6 said: Gotcha. So there's also no known studio recording of it, then. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 854 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 So none of these would be taken from the live performances in Boston last year, right? More likely a separate recording session? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,385 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 I *think* this was recorded at Symphony Hall with no audience present, while they were there to do the concerts, and not a presentation of the music as played at those two concerts, but I don't know if we definitively know that for sure yet? rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 854 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Makes sense. Also, I keep getting “an error occurred in the processing of the payment” when just choosing any payment format. Anyone else? crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,385 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 As a USA resident I see no benefit in ordering it from DG or JPC.DE, so am waiting for it to be for sale at a USA-based store Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 854 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jay said: As a USA resident I see no benefit in ordering it from DG or JPC.DE, so am waiting for it to be for sale at a USA-based store What if the signed edition is only available there, and I assume rather limited? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,385 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 Oh sure, the signed edition, yes. Not something I'm personally interested in myself, but yes, I imagine it will only ever be available at that link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,566 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 So you either preorder the edition now, to get a signed copy, and risk missing out on a later deluxe edition... or wait for a deluxe edition, and miss out on the signed copies. DAMMIT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,385 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 I can't imagine there will be a Deluxe Edition of this. They clearly didn't record anything else for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,742 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 I ordered the signed edition as well. It’ll sit nicely next to my signed edition of the first album. Am I also the only one who found it super funny how Jay’s google translate of DG’s press release translated Mutter to Mother in a number of places! 8 hours ago, Jay said: Mother performs John Williams' Violin Concerto No. 2, which the composer wrote for her. 8 hours ago, Jay said: The Boston Globe wrote, "Even in this premiere, Mother carried the solo like an old friend, shaping every phrase with purpose and panache." 8 hours ago, Jay said: The expressiveness of mother's playing is reflected in various details of the violin concerto, but also in the beautiful film melodies, as is her virtuoso brilliance and the lyrical warmth of her violin tone. (Also the last paragraph is repeated x3 in the post, which it isn’t on DG’s page. ) MaxTheHouseelf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,385 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 Yea. that made me laugh too. I fixed it up in my post. I also found this funny: The LP version only contains the Concerto No. 2 and not the the other 3 cuts, and also splits the Concerto in half so you have to flip the disc over halfway through it... https://store.deutschegrammophon.com/p51-i0028948617050/john-williams-anne-sophie-mutter-boston-symphony-orchestra/violin-concerto-no-2/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,742 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 That’s annoying for the vinyl fans… Also odd, because I guess that Devil’s Dance wasn’t included because they wanted a sensible track list with a certain flow. And then a choice like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montague 42 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 21 minutes ago, rough cut said: That’s annoying for the vinyl fans… Also odd, because I guess that Devil’s Dance wasn’t included because they wanted a sensible track list with a certain flow. And then a choice like this? Uhmm, a vinyl LP simply has a time limit for each side. Not sure why that's annoying, that's the way vinyl works. Devil's dance was live recorded in Vienna. Why live record it again in Boston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,385 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 We don't yet know if this album is a live recording or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,742 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 If it had fit, then it would have been better to put it on one side. If not, I guess it’s fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montague 42 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, rough cut said: If it had fit, then it would have been better to put it on one side. If not, I guess it’s fine. vinyl holds about 20 to 25 minutes max each side. depending on the level. so obviously the whole concerto never could have fit on one side. neither could the film themes have fit on it as well. the way DG did it, is the only way that makes sense for one LP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,385 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Lord Montague said: vinyl holds about 20 to 25 minutes max each side *ahem* https://www.discogs.com/release/2968778-James-Horner-Willow-Original-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,566 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: They clearly didn't record anything else for it What makes you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,385 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 Because the only other arrangements he's written for her that we know about are Devil's Dance and a small update to Across The Stars, and those are short enough they could have been added to this album. They're not gonna release a Deluxe Edition unless they had like, 5 more pieces and could bring the disc to 75-80 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,228 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jay said: and those are short enough they could have been added to this album. Like all the pieces that were only on the deluxe Across the Stars which was still only 1CD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,385 Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 Yes, but there was 5 of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smeltington 1,566 Posted February 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2022 Well, I wouldn't put it past them to withhold something. But it would be nice if that's not the case. At any rate, it's good to get some more details about this release, I'm excited to hear it! And it was nice of Mutter to wear a DG-colored yellow dress. Coincidence?? Jay, igger6 and MaxTheHouseelf 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,128 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Perhaps we'll get an iTunes exclusive track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjimwilson 268 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 5 hours ago, rpvee said: Makes sense. Also, I keep getting “an error occurred in the processing of the payment” when just choosing any payment format. Anyone else? I had the same problem in multiple browsers. Got round it by ordering through the Bravado.de site instead. Exact same offerings as the DG store. rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,707 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Han Solo and the Princess BETTER be on this album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,866 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Just now, King Mark said: Han Solo and the Princess BETTER be on this album It is. Check the previous page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 740 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 8 hours ago, JohnnyD said: SWEET! I just pre-ordered my copy with the booklet signed by Anne-Sophie Mutter! Me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 969 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I was actually wondering if Marion's Theme would get the Mutter treatment. I wonder if that will be the version played in Vienna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,385 Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 Oh I'm sure it will lairdo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toillion 262 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 As a vinyl collector I hate that it’s missing the film themes. I guess they didn’t want to make it a double lp just for the three extra songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,036 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Interesting to at last get to hear Han Solo and the Princess and Marion's Theme side by side. The first time I heard Marion's Theme I thought, that's pretty close to Han Solo and the Princess. Even though they both just start of with the same two notes in almost similar harmony. To me these two were always related as they also were created hardly a year apart. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montague 42 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 11 hours ago, Jay said: *ahem* https://www.discogs.com/release/2968778-James-Horner-Willow-Original-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack OMG. what a disgrace. which label executive okayed that? the sound quality is horrific for the levels one can cut into the grooves with that play time. DG would never do that. Anything above 20 minutes per side, you are going to make compromises regarding sound quality. 38 minutes like side A of that is just...wow... so bad. THD, SNR, Pre- and Post-echo... all over the place... Poor James Horner. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 350 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I remember the Willow vinyl, I bought it at the time, and the sound was quite horrible, lots of distortion in the inner part. For dynamic orchestra recordings more than 20-25 min per side is a no go. On the other hand, I have a vinyl of the Paganini caprices by Frank Peter Zimmermann which sound quite good, although more than 1 hour total length. But violin solo is not as loud or dynamic as orchestra, so it worked in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Montague 42 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 12 hours ago, Jay said: We don't yet know if this album is a live recording or not. 'Live recording' is a diffuse term these days. Usually when a recording happens in the context of a rehearsals&concert week, like here, 'live recording' means all good (enough) material, rehearsals and concerts, is used to compile a best possible result in the final edit. How much of that is actually from the concert(s), and how much from rehearsals, varies wildly. There can also be a so called patch session. 'Live recording' only means, that recorded concerts were part of the edit, how much so only the producers know. Can be 100%, can be almost nothing from the actual concerts. I doubt there were also dedicated recording sessions for other material than that of the concerts in that project, since those - in particular with American orchestras - cost the label a huge additional amount of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 39,385 Posted February 11, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2022 8 hours ago, Toillion said: the three extra songs The Lost Folio, rpvee, Ricard and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxTheHouseelf 332 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 DG removed the regular CD (not signed by ASM) from their store and increased the price of the signed one by 2€ (now 18,99€). https://store.deutschegrammophon.com/p50-a157404/anne-sophie-mutter-amp-john-williams/index.html So preordering yesterday saved me 2 bucks. Nice. Also, there's this new package shot: Jay and The Lost Folio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 617 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 It is a live recording. At least ASM said that before the recording. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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