Tom 4,673 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, toothless said: That piece is full of energy it’s wild. That made my day. It never lets up, never runs out, and ends with a bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 Every time this thread is bumped I keep hoping for a link to the music only file Will, MaxTheHouseelf, Andy and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Anybody try to use MVSEP.com or something to remove the voices etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,378 Posted January 10, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2023 From the FSM thread: If anyone's interested, I was able to take the audio from this video, use an A.I. stem separator program (as some people use to remove vocals from existing recordings so they can sing along with the backing tracks for karaoke) and create a somewhat reasonable version of the audio that doesn't have talking over it. The music is there, but at times there is some crowd noise and a cannon explosion sound towards the end, so until a truly clean version of the theme is released (and I'll take this down once it is), this will have to do. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0fodnzsizbtkieu/ofgritandglory.mp3?dl=0 https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=150154&forumID=1&archive=0 Will, Faleel, Jilal and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, King Mark said: (with sound effects and narration by King Kark) Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 53 minutes ago, Jay said: From the FSM thread: If anyone's interested, I was able to take the audio from this video, use an A.I. stem separator program (as some people use to remove vocals from existing recordings so they can sing along with the backing tracks for karaoke) and create a somewhat reasonable version of the audio that doesn't have talking over it. The music is there, but at times there is some crowd noise and a cannon explosion sound towards the end, so until a truly clean version of the theme is released (and I'll take this down once it is), this will have to do. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0fodnzsizbtkieu/ofgritandglory.mp3?dl=0 https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=150154&forumID=1&archive=0 now it's upgraded to Satellite Celebration bootleg sound! WilliamsStarShip2282 and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Know 326 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Yeah, that never works. I would rather have the narration than the distortion. Disco Stu and artguy360 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 13 minutes ago, Dr. Know said: Yeah, that never works. I would rather have the narration than the distortion. Agreed. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 245 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 I won't listen to this fantastic piece again until it's released in proper form... Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Dr. Know said: Yeah, that never works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 24 minutes ago, Nemesis said: I won't listen to this fantastic piece again until it's released in proper form... that probably means never again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,843 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 If only this was broadcasted in 5.1 with the dialogue in the center channel, so that we could remove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,642 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 5 hours ago, Dr. Know said: Yeah, that never works. I would rather have the narration than the distortion. The music is built around the narration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Know 326 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 8 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: The music is built around the narration So was American Journey originally but the music was then recorded and released without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,673 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 I think it works well musically without the narration. The transitions from the two "militaristic" interludes to the heraldic parts are very well done. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Know 326 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 I think there is a big difference between this piece and Dear Basketball, in which the music and narration were conceived as fully integrated. Grit and Glory is more like a mini film score and there is no reason why it can’t be enjoyed separately from the montage. Anyway, that’s my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rough cut 1,714 Posted January 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2023 OMG this piece is amazing! I can simultaneously hear the legacy of Superman, Jurassic Park and The Phantom Menace in there… but in no way do these three mentioned summarize - or are the extent - to what what I’m hearing…. Greatness, plain and simple. Pure, classic Williams! Tydirium, MrJosh, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bryant Burnette 654 Posted January 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 12, 2023 THIS is what John Williams sounds like. Remember when that one guy thought the music in the Dial of Destiny trailer might have actually been Williams? lol BB-8, Manakin Skywalker, The Lost Folio and 11 others 3 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Quote Khodabakhshian and his co-director and editor Michael Sciallis of Victory Pictures had dreamed about getting the world’s most famous film composer to write music for their opening sequence. ..... “There’s no better person on the planet to write about emotions and the things that come with the biggest night on ESPN’s biggest stage, our Super Bowl, than John Williams,” Khodabakhshian says. Adds Sciallis: “We wrote about the emotions of bringing people together, not just the competition side of it, but how audiences are affected.” .... The “giddiness and excitement” associated with a new Williams anthem for their big college football game was palpable throughout the ESPN executive suites, Sciallis says. .... Khodabakhshian confesses he broke down in tears after meeting the maestro. “I’m so overwhelmed and grateful because he’s the GOAT!” ..... ...no plans for a commercial release have apparently been discussed. That makes no sense! There, I said it. I've been holding that in for a few days now. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 245 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 How can one NOT discuss a commercial release!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 GIVE US! US LEAK! GIVE US THE LEAK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 the window of opportunity to release this is closing fast. In a few days all the people involved will have moved on to something else and we'll never hear it again Will and enderdrag64 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,673 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 What's the deal with your depressing picture of JW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Just now, Tom said: What's the deal with your depressing picture of JW? https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35048-betting-poll-will-the-fabelmans-be-nominated-for-a-best-original-score-oscar/&do=findComment&comment=1934142 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tydirium 1,167 Posted January 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 12, 2023 I REALLY don't get the "no plans for commercial release." This is ESPN, owned by Disney, the company that had no problem with previously releasing singles of JW's Galaxy's Edge & Obi-Wan themes. And I'm pretty sure I like this piece better than both of those, which makes this incredibly frustrating. MrJosh, Edmilson, enderdrag64 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 That would make sense 20 years ago. But now you can just chuck something on Spotify and other retailers and you make such a big deal in PR and film the sessions.... these people are complete idiots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Tom said: What's the deal with your depressing picture of JW? 2 hours ago, Jay said: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35048-betting-poll-will-the-fabelmans-be-nominated-for-a-best-original-score-oscar/&do=findComment&comment=1934142 It's fitting as KM's signature since he's the Eeyore of JWFan! Dr. Know and Brando 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,673 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Perhaps a dumb question, but if Williams scored the already existing video, wouldn't that classify it as a short film ala "Dear Basketball?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 But he couldn't have scored the final video as it shows him conducting... unless they added old footage or placeholders. I'll have to watch it again. I hope Williams saved the most heroic moments for the scenes of him conducting! I'm guessing that instead of the extremes of Williams scoring to the film and just writing the music, the process was probably more collaborative. It would be interesting to learn more about the process I just had an idea. Ask the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra to invite Williams over for another concert, request that piece open the concert, and then release the concert or just that piece. Problem solved! Sorted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,673 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Watching this again, I cannot help but have the following thought: While this piece is (and I do not say this lightly) an instant classic and a throwback to a time when he had more regular instant classics, and, while it had an audience in the millions, I cannot help but to think the whole context and video was beneath his dignity. Am I crazy? And, if so, am I still right? Miguel Andrade and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, Tom said: Watching this again, I cannot help but have the following thought: While this piece is (and I do not say this lightly) an instant classic and a throwback to a time when he had more regular instant classics, and, while it had an audience in the millions, I cannot help but to think the whole thing context and video was beneath his dignity. Am I crazy? And, if so, am I still right? I don't know about beneath his dignity. JW has done many odd commissions. How do you feel about him doing the NFL theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Tom said: Perhaps a dumb question, but if Williams scored the already existing video, wouldn't that classify it as a short film ala "Dear Basketball?" It wasn't released theatrically, so no. 4 hours ago, Tom said: Watching this again, I cannot help but have the following thought: While this piece is (and I do not say this lightly) an instant classic and a throwback to a time when he had more regular instant classics, and, while it had an audience in the millions, I cannot help but to think the whole thing context and video was beneath his dignity. Am I crazy? And, if so, am I still right? He scored "John Goldfarb, Please Come Home." So yes, you are crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 10 hours ago, Tom said: I cannot help but to think the whole thing context and video was beneath his dignity. He's (also) a film composer. The dignity of film composers necessarily stretches very, very far. But I don't think this is in any way undignified (even though I don't care for football at all). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,673 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 10 hours ago, artguy360 said: I don't know about beneath his dignity. JW has done many odd commissions. How do you feel about him doing the NFL theme? The Sunday Night theme was the official theme of the broadcast going forward, not a score to a video that may never be used again. 5 hours ago, Bryant Burnette said: It wasn't released theatrically, so no. He scored "John Goldfarb, Please Come Home." So yes, you are crazy. I would think it beneath him if he took that commission at this point in his career. 1 minute ago, Marian Schedenig said: He's (also) a film composer. The dignity of film composers necessarily stretches very, very far. But I don't think this is in any way undignified (even though I don't care for football at all). The video he scored just seemed very "cheap," if that makes sense. Miguel Andrade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 Pretty funny they literally know nothing Manakin Skywalker, BB-8, enderdrag64 and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 who cares about the dignity of scoring this, the result is the only thing that matters. So here he's composed one of his better fanfares Bryant Burnette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,673 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 I reckon it's John Williams's business to determine what is and what isn't beneath his dignity. Something tells me that if he thought this was, he wouldn't have accepted the job. Therefore, it isn't. Simple! Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,673 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 4 hours ago, Bryant Burnette said: I reckon it's John Williams's business to determine what is and what isn't beneath his dignity. Something tells me that if he thought this was, he wouldn't have accepted the job. Therefore, it isn't. Simple! Perhaps, but according to that principle, a person could never choose anything contrary to or beneath their dignity. I know that it is not that big of a deal, but it just feels to me one step away from Williams scoring a McDonald's commerical or something. Edmilson and Miguel Andrade 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, Tom said: I know that it is not that big of a deal, but it just feels to me one step away from Williams scoring a McDonald's commerical or something. Like the Coca Cola commercial he scored in 2001? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 At least that's more about their books for kids program than their beverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,673 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 I would feel better if ESPN had just said this would be their college football (or at least playoff) theme going forward. Why make this a one-off? Were they waiting to see if the piece would be well-received before making a decision to use it in the future? Maybe instead of my terminology of beneath his dignity, I should say ESPN is disrespecting him a bit (and I don't like that he is going along with it). At the end of the day, something about this is just not sitting well with me. Miguel Andrade and Andy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Tom said: I would feel better if ESPN had just said this would be their college football (or at least playoff) theme going forward. Why make this a one-off? Were they waiting to see if the piece would be well-received before making a decision to use it in the future? Maybe instead of my terminology of beneath his dignity, I should say ESPN is disrespecting him a bit (and I don't like that he is going along with it). At the end of the day, something about this is just not sitting well with me. I suspect ESPN did not take your feelings into consideration regarding use of this new JW piece. I also suspect JW does not feel disrespected and doesn't notice that you feel disrespected on his behalf. Bryant Burnette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,673 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 1 hour ago, artguy360 said: I suspect ESPN did not take your feelings into consideration regarding use of this new JW piece. I also suspect JW does not feel disrespected and doesn't notice that you feel disrespected on his behalf. No need to be an ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tom said: No need to be an ass. That's just my dry humor. Tom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,147 Posted January 14, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2023 I agree with Tom. Take away the Williams score and what is this? Nothing in the images or archival footage or talking heads amounted to anything. Aside from the score, I felt absolutely nothing by watching this one and done piece of editing. Brando, Miguel Andrade and Tom 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Yeah but we need the music only piece now, and it ain't happening anytime soon as far as I can tell enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 18 hours ago, Tom said: Perhaps, but according to that principle, a person could never choose anything contrary to or beneath their dignity. I know that it is not that big of a deal, but it just feels to me one step away from Williams scoring a McDonald's commerical or something. I trust John Williams to know where that line is much more readily than for you to know where it is on his behalf. Williams is a populist a large chunk of the time; it makes complete sense for him to have done this piece for a live event that was watched by millions upon millions of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,147 Posted January 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2023 I wonder how much of it was finished when he agreed to do it. He often laments the competition between music and sound design when he has the freedom to play a piece live and unencumbered. Ben Burtt’s explosions are one thing, but this was entirely obnoxious. I expected crowd cheering, but locker room screaming until their lungs are bloody? When you know you’ve got the Maestro providing the magic for the finished “piece”? Maybe I’m hypersensitive to it, but Dear Basketball this ain’t, and that’s not a knock on Williams. Brando, Miguel Andrade, Edmilson and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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