Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!

[Tydirium 1,167]

10 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

If it had been parts of the love theme from The Terminal that was quoted, your post would have made sense.

 

My post makes sense as someone who hadn’t read any spoilers about the movie and hadn’t been aware of any connection between Helena and Marion.

[Edmilson 7,471]

4 minutes ago, Damien F said:

Spoiler for the end of the movie:

 

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Helena is responsible for bringing Marion back to Indy's apartment so JW might have been thinking about that when writing the theme.

 

Good, so it's less creepy than I thought 

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5 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

The track accompanies the scene where "Helena" is revealed to be Marion in disguise. 

 

Anybody else thinks the march in track 17 sags a bit? Kind of bottom heavy?

 

I must be crazy because I absolutely love this version of the Raiders March! Might be my favourite recording outside ROTLA and TOD!

[TheUlyssesian 2,478]

1 minute ago, Tydirium said:

 

My post makes sense as someone who hadn’t read any spoilers about the movie and hadn’t been aware of any connection between Helena and Marion.

 

Helena is revealed to be Marion and Basil Shaw's daughter.

 

So technically Helena is not Indy's god-daughter but step-daughter.

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2 minutes ago, Tydirium said:

 

My post makes sense as someone who hadn’t read any spoilers about the movie and hadn’t been aware of any connection between Helena and Marion.

 

There's about as much of a connection as Yoda's Theme appearing at the end of ESB.

[Courtney Sees Ghosts 269]

2 hours ago, Damien F said:

 

After he omitted Falcon Flight, Lando's Arrival, and the Ben Solo redemption variation of Ren's theme from TROS ost, I've given up trying to work out his logic. Thankfully, I didn't hear any unreleased cues in the movie at the level of those. There is definitely good unreleased cues but I don't think they are as much holy grails as those TROS cues are.

Falcon Flight not being on the soundtrack album for TROS still pisses me off to no end. That was probably his best action cue for the ST besides The Battle of Crait.

Even going back a few movies, still mad that The Bombing Run didn't get on the album either.

[Bellosh 3,419]

7 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Anybody else thinks the march in track 17 sags a bit? Kind of bottom heavy?

 

it sounds like a 'tighter' version of the concert suite we've heard for all these years.

 

but what i do love about it, is that it has it's own distinctive sound to it, and now all 5 movies have their distinguished Raiders March sound!

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Just now, TheUlyssesian said:

Helena is revealed to be Marion and Basil Shaw's daughter.

 

And Palpatine's adopted stepmother.

[Tydirium 1,167]

2 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said:

Of course it is intentinal!

 

Other composers do this too. 

 

Ilia's theme suite from Star Trek 1979 references the main theme within it at 2:42.

 

 

Tara's theme main title from Gone With The Wind references Rhett Butler's theme within it at 2:31.

 

 

 

 

 

You don’t understand my point. Of course I’m aware of those references. But Helena is not Marion, and from what has been publicly revealed about the film she is Indy’s goddaughter and has no connection to Marion whatsoever. Until someone in this thread just a few minutes ago posted that there is apparently a connection in the film, it didn’t make any sense in this case.

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1 minute ago, Bellosh said:

but what i do love about it, is that it has it's own distinctive sound to it, and now all 5 movies have their distinguished Raiders March sound!

 

Exactly! I love that all 5 versions are totally unique. A bit like the 6 different recordings of the Star Wars main title we got in that series.

[Jurassic Shark 12,086]

3 minutes ago, Tydirium said:

 

My post makes sense as someone who hadn’t read any spoilers about the movie and hadn’t been aware of any connection between Helena and Marion.

 

I hadn't read any spoilers either, it's just too far fetched that JW just happened to wrote those bars without it occurring to him they're from Marion's theme.

[TheUlyssesian 2,478]

1 minute ago, Tydirium said:

You don’t understand my point. Of course I’m aware of those references. But Helena is not Marion, and from what has been publicly revealed about the film she is Indy’s goddaughter and has no connection to Marion whatsoever. Until someone in this thread just a few minutes ago posted that there is apparently a connection in the film, it didn’t make any sense in this case.

 

See below

 

3 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said:

Helena is revealed to be Marion and Basil Shaw's daughter.

 

So technically Helena is not Indy's god-daughter but step-daughter.

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4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

I hadn't read any spoilers either, it's just too far fetched that JW just happened to wrote those bars without it occurring to him they're from Marion's theme.

 

Little more than the "DNA" connections that unite themes in the various franchises JW scored.

 

Just like echoes of the Emperor's Theme in Rey's Theme, clearly unrelated.

[Bellosh 3,419]

it could also mean that Helena has all the spunk (hate that word lol) that JW described Marion as having

[Tydirium 1,167]

Just now, Jurassic Shark said:

 

I hadn't read any spoilers either, it's just too far fetched that JW just happened to wrote those bars without it occurring to him they’re from Marion's theme.

It’s not bars though, it’s just like 4-5ish notes…

[Damien F 1,742]

10 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

Anybody else thinks the march in track 17 sags a bit? Kind of bottom heavy?

 

I wouldn't be surprised if that was intentional given Ford's / Indy's age.

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1 minute ago, Tydirium said:

It’s not bars though, it’s just like 4-5ish notes…

 

I'll take 4-5 notes over lifting dozens of bars from previous scores...

[Jurassic Shark 12,086]

1 minute ago, Tydirium said:

It’s not bars though, it’s just like 4-5ish notes…

 

Tell that to Kathleen Kennedy.

[Tydirium 1,167]

3 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said:

 

See below

 

 

Well, that’s a spoiler I hadn’t read and wish I hadn’t. Thought you were joking before.

[Jurassic Shark 12,086]

4 minutes ago, crumbs said:

I think it's little more than the "DNA" connection that unites themes in the various series JW has scored.

 

Yes, it's more than the DNA.

 

4 minutes ago, Tydirium said:

It’s not bars though, it’s just like 4-5ish notes…

 

John Williams walks into a bar...

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3 minutes ago, Tydirium said:

 

Well, that’s a spoiler I hadn’t read and wish I hadn’t. Thought you were joking before.

 

I feel like everyone's bluffing here but let me assure you, what you think was a spoiler from @TheUlyssesian was very much a joke.

 

Reminds me of the time someone "spoiled" TROS for me by saying Shmi Skywalker was a clone of Palpatine.

[Tydirium 1,167]

Ah, thanks!

[Damien F 1,742]

1 minute ago, crumbs said:

 

I feel like everyone's bluffing here but let me assure you, what you think was a spoiler was very much a joke.

 

Yeah, she is actually Marion and Sallah's daughter!

[TheUlyssesian 2,478]

1 minute ago, crumbs said:

I feel like everyone's bluffing here but let me assure you, what you think was a spoiler from @TheUlyssesian was very much a joke.

 

Why'd you spoil it!  

 

I was about to take it even further!

 

I was going to say - 

 

Not only that. But Helena is Mutt's widow - only she didn't he was Marion's son. So Helena is Marion's daughter AND daughter-in-law!

[Edmilson 7,471]

7 minutes ago, Damien F said:

I wouldn't be surprised if that was intentional given Ford's / Indy's / Williams's age.

Fixed 

[Bellosh 3,419]

someone can probably answer this but does this bit (going with how Williams golden-age'd Helena's Theme) sound like something from an epic battle in like a 1930s-1950's movie?  It sounds fittingly campy!

 

 

[Muad'Dib 1,802]

1 hour ago, King Mark said:

The loud brass passage at 3.29 of Prologue is lifted from somewhere in KoTCS

 

Which part?

[Courtney Sees Ghosts 269]

After Listening to it a few times, track ranking!

Helena's Theme
Tuk Tuk in Tangiers
New York, 1969
Auction At Hotel L'Alantique
To Moracco
Battle of Syracuse
Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
The Airport
Archimedes' Tomb
Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra) 
Centuries Join Hands
To Athens
The Grafikos

Germany, 1944
Water Ballet
Polybius Cipher
Perils in the Deep
Voller Returns


 

[Bellosh 3,419]

5 minutes ago, Courtney said:

After Listening to it a few times, track ranking!

Helena's Theme
Tuk Tuk in Tangiers
New York, 1969
Auction At Hotel L'Alantique
To Moracco
Battle of Syracuse
Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny
The Airport
Archimedes' Tomb
Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra) 
Centuries Join Hands
To Athens
The Grafikos

Germany, 1944
Water Ballet
Polybius Cipher
Perils in the Deep
Voller Returns


 

 

me seeing 'To Athens' that low

 

[Courtney Sees Ghosts 269]

6 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

 

me seeing 'To Athens' that low

 

Still a great track!

[Gabriel Bezerra 302]

Does the movie end exactly as "New York, 1969" or there are some unreleased cues? The abrupt start of the march sounds weird.

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13 minutes ago, Gabriel Bezerra said:

Does the movie end exactly as "New York, 1969" or there are some unreleased cues? The abrupt start of the march sounds weird.

 

There's maybe a second more silence in the film version.

 

Spoiler

Marion's Theme doesn't overlap with the previous note in the film either; there's a few minutes of score-less movie before it. JW just chopped all that out of his OST track then overlapped the cues.

 

[Damien F 1,742]

16 minutes ago, Gabriel Bezerra said:

Does the movie end exactly as "New York, 1969" or there are some unreleased cues? The abrupt start of the march sounds weird.

 

The abrupt start of the march is how the end credits start in the movie too. There isn't a more graceful transition to it.

[Jurassic Shark 12,086]

It sounds fine.

[Brónach 1,302]

soso score, feels structureless and half photocopied

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It should probably be a separate track, let's be honest. 

Finale.

The Raiders March.

[Amer 2,116]

Helenas Theme is the McGuffin.😁

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

1 hour ago, Courtney said:

Falcon Flight not being on the soundtrack album for TROS still pisses me off to no end.

It's too short

[Damien F 1,742]

20 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said:

It's too short

It's 2:23 of energetic and theme based action music!

[Jurassic Shark 12,086]

It probably sounded too similar to other tracks.

[Alex 2,835]

1.20 in Germany, 1944 is the reason I have no problem with re-recording pieces from other films. That lower brass sounds incredible.

[GerateWohl 4,371]

Just a little remark from my side.

 

The score is awesome!!!

[igger6 894]

3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

If it had been parts of the love theme from The Terminal that was quoted, your post would have made sense.

 

Did someone say "Love Theme from The Terminal"??!

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

13 hours ago, Schilkeman said:

Do we know who the principal trumpet is on this recording?

 

Principal trumpet is Jon Lewis. Also includes Dan Rosenboom, Barry Perkins and Rob Schaer. First recording I think he's done in a while without Dave Washburn too.

[lairdo 726]

3 hours ago, Indianagirl said:

So I’m spending most of my day in the airport and air today. I forgot my ear pods and I just realized the score came out today and not Friday. Does it mean I have a problem when I immediately went to the little technology shop and bought new overpriced EarPods so I can listen today while I wait around in airport? 

 

That's a complex question. In terms of spending money to hear John Williams music, I would posit you do not have a problem, and given the situation and common courtesy, your actions are entirely consistent with the members of this message board. (So, you have a problem, but we all have the same problem and that's ok.)

 

But we can question a few things you may want to work into your travel planning. 1. Always expect to need to hear John Williams music. Pack at least 3 pairs of earphones in case the first 2 break. Keep a set of 3 in all your bags. Cannot have enough redundancy. 2. If you did not buy the most expensive headphones (not just overpriced) at the shop, are you really showing enough care for the Maestro's music? 3. How could you even plan to travel when a soundtrack is imminently going to release. I mean they gave us 2 weeks notice, and you didn't change your trip?

 

And finally - why did you need headphones. Shouldn't you be playing your phone on super loud so everyone on the plane and in the airport can be uplifted with their dose of John Williams?

 

 

Have a safe trip and enjoy the music!

[Jurassic Shark 12,086]

I assume that's not an ironic post.

[crocodile 8,018]

About to finish my first listen of the soundtrack. Clearly, a lot is missing from the album and one can argue whether this is a good representation of the entire score. But I do love the texture and colour of this music, just oozes with beautifully orchestrated music and wonderful textures that you don't hear often these days. Williams is on fire, he must have really enjoyed doing this because there is this golden age type of glow to his writing. Just how he manages to write such complex and rich music at this age is just beyond me. I particularly love material like Water Ballet, The Airport and Battle of Syracuse. Awesome stuff! And Helena's theme is quite wonderful as heard in context.

 

I also like Volker's theme.

 

Karol

[Taikomochi 1,136]

I’m going to miss being able to measure the eras of my life around when the next Williams score is coming out. What a treasure each of these is, including DoD.

[Bellosh 3,419]

the rendition of the Raiders March at the end of 'To Athens' is everything i wanted when it came to fun statements of that theme

[Archive Collection 214]

5 hours ago, Edmilson said:

Geez... First Bond, now Indy also gets the Nolan-ized "dark and disturbing" aesthetic.

I have to disagree! The film certainly maintains the tone of the previous films: there are “dark” moments  throughout - much like any other Indy film. But it's nowhere near the aesthetic of any Nolan films, or Logan (also directed by Mangold). My impression is that they committed to honouring the tone and aesthetic of the original three films.