mstrox 6,651 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, publicist said: Oh, it's not about me, i think you have a pound of worthwile tips for a better daily conduct for everyone here! if u want that, follow the mstrox thread. I'm only here in this thread to talk about bicycles and Han Solo. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 53 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Is it just me or does that Robert Kraft guy who cohosts Score the Podcast come off as a real Hollywood phony type? Well he is what you'd call a "suit" but I think he's probably a pretty decent guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Just now, TGP said: Well he is what you'd call a "suit" but I think he's probably a pretty decent guy. Probably. He can just come across as quite shallow and fixated on commercial success in that way that corporate managers often do. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Do we think John T and John P took bike rides together while discussing the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, MikeH said: Do we think John T and John P took bike rides together while discussing the score? Spin Class in tights, to get the grey cells working! mstrox and MikeH 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 hour ago, MikeH said: Do we think John T and John P took bike rides together while discussing the score? Over the moon! Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 7 hours ago, PrayodiBA said: Powell just kinda sick with this talk, he confirmed it though (he edited his original post): Here’s your final list of brand new material to look for in Solo: A Star Wars Story:1. Han Theme (by John Williams)2. Love Theme 3. #Chewbacca Theme So there's a "Han" theme, a "Chewbacca" theme, and a "Han and Chewbacca" theme? Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 One thing that Powell said in that podcast that is sort of tripping me up is when he says "I'd always said if we were gonna do a movie, can we get Yoda?" Because that almost makes it sound like it was his own idea to get Williams, which I don't think is true? If nothing else, seems like this is fulfilling some sort of vague fantasy he had of doing a Star Wars score with John Williams. Considering how much of his career has been built on collaboration and where he came from with Zimmer and everything, it actually makes sense that he'd be so into this. A new theme by John Williams is just a cool toy to get on your Star Wars score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: One thing that Powell said in that podcast that is sort of tripping me up is when he says "I'd always said if we were gonna do a movie, can we get Yoda?" Because that almost makes it sound like it was his own idea to get Williams, which I don't think is true? If nothing else, seems like this is fulfilling some sort of vague fantasy he had of doing a Star Wars score with John Williams. Considering how much of his career has been built on collaboration and where he came from with Zimmer and everything, it actually makes sense that he'd be so into this. A new theme by John Williams is just a cool toy to get on your Star Wars score. He specifically says in the podcast that he said yes because of the opportunity to work with Williams, that he was already on board ocelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PrayodiBA 517 Posted May 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2018 Some reactions of the score from mainstream critics: > SOme are rather good: (1) .... Fueled by the cinematography of the inimitable Bradford Young — not to mention, John Powell’s whimsical score ..... https://consequenceofsound.net/2018/05/film-review-solo-a-star-wars-story/ (2) There’s the score by John Powell which, while not instantly recognizable as a classic, makes some bold, exciting new choices. https://io9.gizmodo.com/solo-is-a-damn-fine-star-wars-story-1825971193 (3) While I felt the music fell back on familiar Star Wars themes a little too often, the original music by John Powell is excellent and feels like it fits the universe while breaking new ground.http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/reviews/945879-solo-a-star-wars-story-review > some are rather confusing: (1) And if Howard might have had a bit of a challenge initially getting the proceedings out of the gate and consistently running at full speed (cued by composer John Powell’s amped-up orchestrations), the production admittedly looks quite lovely, https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/solo-a-star-wars-story-review-1111495 (2) Some of the new music scored by John Powell reminded me more of a feature anime score than something from the Star Wars universe — it wasn’t intrinsically bad, just rather out of character. https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/05/15/solo-review-best-times-worst-times/ (3) The technical wizardry augments these scenes, as do the musical cues incorporated by composer John Powell, weaving in snippets of John Williams' earlier themes -- most notably from "The Empire Strikes Back" -- in a way that helps recapture the spirit of the original trilogy, at least during certain key moments. https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/15/entertainment/solo-review/ > and some are just plain bad: (1) Even the new score by John Powell (Jason Bourne) only soars when it samples the original John Williams theme. https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/reviews/solo-star-wars-story-movie-review-w519889 (2) John Powell’s score mostly fades into the background, except for those occasions when he brings in the John Williams classics to provide another little goosebump here and there. http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/solo-a-star-wars-story/273494/solo-a-star-wars-story-review (3) The score is serviceable but lacking the emotion and gravitas that makes each of John Williams' compositions feel epic and iconic. John Powell's contributions almost feel safe aside from the moments that are driven by percussion, and there's no real instance that puts a smile on your face until the famous Kessel Run employs motifs from The Empire Strikes Back's iconic chase scene with the Millennium Falcon. http://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/05/15/solo-a-star-wars-story-review/ In General= Not so much awareness of the score from majority of critics ---- i have an underwhelming feeeling about this... Will, Ricard and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2018 Calm down man. Mainstream critics never have a clue how to judge a score. Fancyarcher, Holko, Knight of Ren and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, PrayodiBA said: i have an underwhelming feeeling about this... Why let other people decide how you feel about a score? Calm down, it hasn't even been released yet... Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrayodiBA 517 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 It looks like Powell is confused and lonely (from Cannes,today): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 I don't like reviews when it comes to music. Never have. I mean.... I think everyone should just judge for themselves. Music is subjective. I'm going to love things and hate things and then someone else on this board will have the opposite reaction to the same score. If you aren't going to judge it musically, what's the point of just saying it fades into the background and is not memorable? Maybe fading into the background means it was great and did it's job and you just didn't notice anything because "you" were sitting there enjoying the film... Or maybe it's clouded by the fact that "you" didn't like the film and so you were glancing at your watch the whole time so everything was just lackluster. Even with composers I do not credit as being able to write for orchestra, I go in and judge it on my own and hope they all succeed. I never take into account what any critic says about a score unless they are an orchestral composer. And in case someone thinks I am saying that no one can judge a score unless they can write for orchestra, that is not what I mean. What I mean is this. if you are going to judge it MUSICALLY, be able to write for the orchestra and/or know your harmonies and theory and history. If you are going to judge it based on if it is your cup of tea... Well that part is totally subjective. Britney Spears is pretty much shite music but I love dance remixes of most of her songs. Who doesn't want her shouting "You Better Work Bitch" when your doing abs at the gym?! I know I do!!! Also for anyone, Gia, Powell, McNeely, etc, you can't compare their scores to what Williams has done because they need to sound like themselves as well as staying in that harmonic language that defines Star Wars. Parallel minor chords, big themes that denote characters, etc etc. It's not fair to judge them to anyone but themselves. Then we either like the output or not subjectively unless it is so far out of left field that it is bad. From what I am reading, Powell's just sounds fine so far! PrayodiBA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: He specifically says in the podcast that he said yes because of the opportunity to work with Williams, that he was already on board I guess what I meant was what are the odds that Powell gets offered the gig, wants a chance to work with JW, Williams agrees and that gets Powell most excited to sign, even if he would have signed anyway. But really, he probably would have just said that. More likely Williams either wanted to be involved or was asked to contribute and agreed but not to do the whole score, and when they offered the job under conditions of working with JW, Powell was not only up for it but excited by the idea. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,515 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 45 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said: <Han theme> Wowza...spoiler alert!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 On 5/10/2018 at 7:21 AM, PrayodiBA said: Another clip with Powell score. Nice! Wait, is that E.T. danger theme at around 0:37 ? At 25 seconds, the theme there is from that sheet music SilverTrumpet posted. Starting two bars before the bottom 3 lines (staves) on the left hand side (first page). Where it sas something like (Search Me) in brackets onwards. Same tune. Ricard and mrbellamy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrayodiBA 517 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 well actually when you hear the responds from youtubers, the score is actually aknowledged wonderfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Uh-oh! Critics didn't like it! Guess I need to cancel my pre-order on the soundtrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted May 16, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2018 6 hours ago, PrayodiBA said: (1) Even the new score by John Powell (Jason Bourne) only soars when it samples the original John Williams theme. https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/reviews/solo-star-wars-story-movie-review-w519889 (2) John Powell’s score mostly fades into the background, except for those occasions when he brings in the John Williams classics to provide another little goosebump here and there. http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/solo-a-star-wars-story/273494/solo-a-star-wars-story-review (3) The score is serviceable but lacking the emotion and gravitas that makes each of John Williams' compositions feel epic and iconic. John Powell's contributions almost feel safe aside from the moments that are driven by percussion, and there's no real instance that puts a smile on your face until the famous Kessel Run employs motifs from The Empire Strikes Back's iconic chase scene with the Millennium Falcon. http://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/05/15/solo-a-star-wars-story-review/ I will translate: 'Since i only recognize shit i have heard a thousand times before i will of course sneer at all the new stuff'.* (and this has happened to Williams multiple times on this saga, too) *watch me praise Powell after i have watched 'Solo' the 50th time artguy360, Arpy, Not Mr. Big and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 16, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2018 Film critics on the whole should not bother talking about music. I can't think of any that have ever had anything useful to say on the subject. Sharkissimo, Not Mr. Big and ocelot 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Did they have anything to say on Rogue One's score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 hour ago, TGP said: Film critics on the whole should not bother talking about music. I can't think of any that have ever had anything useful to say on the subject. Sure, because the "general public" doesn't know what they are talking about, since they don't know anything, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Roger Ebert sometimes had insightful comments about the music, but not often enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 In some ways, film critics are the ultimate judge of film music, because they judge purely how it services the visuals, not how it functions in and of itself. Docteur Qui and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 They do? Most of the time there is no mention of the score at all, and when it is, it's so non-descript and generalized it doesn't say much at all. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 A slight mention from Empire's review... "Interestingly, we learn that the Imperial March is actually the theme-music for the Empire’s holographic recruiting ads." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, Bofur01 said: A slight mention from Empire's review... "Interestingly, we learn that the Imperial March is actually the theme-music for the Empire’s holographic recruiting ads." Oh no. Why? WHY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I love when non-diegetic music becomes diegetic. Like in Octopussy! It’s fun. Take the stick out of your bum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 It can be fun, but to me it makes me want to cringe instead of celebrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 49 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I love when non-diegetic music becomes diegetic. Its the kind of thing that I sometimes love and sometimes decidedly don't. I think the issue here is: 1. Its a first for a theatrically-released Star Wars film, so it feels like an aesthetic departure. 2. Its unusual given how this world's character (and, by extension, its diegetic music) is different to the scores it merited. Williams' scores are about this world, but not very much of it. So the Imperial March feels out-of-place as part of the diegetic sound, which always tended more towards jazz. All the films where I like the crossover are ones where the scores feel appropriately of the world of the film, and are in the same timbral and harmonic vein as its diegetic music: e.g. Braveheart, Middle Earth films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 59 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I love when non-diegetic music becomes diegetic. Like in Octopussy! It’s fun. Take the stick out of your bum! I saw an instance of this in something recently!! And I can't remember what film it was... but it really threw me off because it was quite a well known theme. Possibly even a Williams theme. Was Hedwig's Theme used somewhere diegetic in Fantastic Beasts? Or the JP theme in JW? I'm not just thinking of HGW's Prometheus theme in Covenant, I don't think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, crumbs said: Was Hedwig's Theme used somewhere diegetic in Fantastic Beasts? Nope. It was used in one of the first three Harry Potter films: Hagrid plays it on a recorder, I believe. Again, its the kind of world that lends itself to traditional, instrumental music, and I believe that whatever diegetic music is actually in those films, is indeed in that vein. The world of Star Wars traffics in jazzy source music and/or "ethnic" one (e.g. Tatooine Street music), both of which suit the character of the world. The same cannot be said for the romantic-period orchestral (not to mention choral) music of the Williams scores and its spin-offs. That's why it may feel "off". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 16, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2018 I've always suspected Vader is blasting the Imperial March inside his helmet as he marches around Bilbo, Pieter Boelen and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,358 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Well, I guess the Inperial Navy Band has it's own John Williams. .. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 16, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Fal said: Well, I guess the Inperial Navy Band has it's own John Williams. .. "The Emperor's Own" Bilbo, Jay and Pieter Boelen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 36 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Nope. It was used in one of the first three Harry Potter films: Hagrid plays it on a recorder, I believe. Again, its the kind of world that lends itself to traditional, instrumental music, and I believe that whatever diegetic music is actually in those films, is indeed in that vein. I'm thinking of something else then, but it was definitely a famous melody, probably from a Williams or Goldsmith or Silvestri movie, used in a distracting diegetic way that made no in-universe sense. Someone should start a thread about such diegetic music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, crumbs said: Someone should start a thread about such diegetic music! And of course I brought up Octopussy there too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,358 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Reminds me of Luke humming along to Imperial Attack: Hopefully it is not the Kevin Kiner version: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Hope it's better than this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, crumbs said: I'm thinking of something else then, but it was definitely a famous melody, probably from a Williams or Goldsmith or Silvestri movie, used in a distracting diegetic way that made no in-universe sense. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I always thought it was nice Seth McF appreciates good music in his work. It's just too bad his work plain sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 37 minutes ago, Fargo said: I always thought it was nice Seth McF appreciates good music in his work. It's just too bad his work plain sucks. Even The Orville? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 21 minutes ago, Pieter_Boelen said: Even The Orville? Haven't seen it. Heard it got decent as it went along though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 245 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Orville is fine. Gets better with every episode. AND it has great music!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 The first 3 episodes or so of The Orville are kind of cringey-bad, but then the entire rest of the season is great! One of my favorite shows of 2017 without question. And the score is FANTASTIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I had to stop talking about it because I didn't like it as much as the rest of you and it made me a bad person apparently mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 How many episodes did you watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Jay said: How many episodes did you watch? All of them. By the end it had graduated to "Fine." My position remains that I'm completely in love with the idea of a really positive, optimistic, TNG inspired sci-fi show. I just don't think this is the best version of that, but Seth is the only one who can make it these days so I still watch of course. I'm really hopeful for it to get better with time like TNG did, and I'm just glad it's getting a chance to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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