bollemanneke 3,352 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I'd want to know which cues were recorded very late in the process. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, bollemanneke said: I'd want to know which cues were recorded very late in the process. I suppose it would be fun to know which cues were recorded at Abbey Road vs the other location for PS for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Yes, or what they did during pick-ups. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Yes, or what they did during pick-ups. Sure. It's not necessary info to have by any means, but it's just interesting to look at once in awhile. I like gathering info and research about some of my favorite scores. bollemanneke, redishere and Once 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,396 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 42 minutes ago, Jay said: No. And I can't even think of the last specialty label release that listed that stuff. Maybe Intrada's Alien from 2007 and the blue box from 2008. The AI release has the recording dates of each cue listed in the booklet. TSMefford and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted December 3, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, TSMefford said: @Jay Once the set is out would you share the dates? I've been working for a while on a way to get this sort of information out in a way similar to Mike's article on EOTS I link to above, but it hasn't gotten off the ground yet with everything else going on 13 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: I'd want to know which cues were recorded very late in the process. 11 minutes ago, TSMefford said: I suppose it would be fun to know which cues were recorded at Abbey Road vs the other location for PS for example. I've always wanted to know which cues from JP were conducted by Artie Kane bollemanneke, TSMefford, Holko and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jay said: I've been working for a while on a way to get this sort of information out in a way similar to Mike's article on EOTS I link to above, but it hasn't gotten off the ground yet with everything else going on That would be very cool. I'd love to see something like that when you have the time Jay. bollemanneke and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 8 hours ago, Incanus said: You obviously haven't read my analysis of the score then. Presuming you aren't joking, could I have a link to that please? It sounds fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/21665-score-harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-john-williams-a-complete-score-analysis/ TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Jay said: http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/21665-score-harry-potter-and-the-philosophers-stone-john-williams-a-complete-score-analysis/ Thank you! TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 It's a very, very interesting read, I loved it. (Please do 2 and 3, Incannus...) TSMefford and redishere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: It's a very, very interesting read, I loved it. (Please do 2 and 3, Incannus...) Seconded. I'd love what you have to say about "The Diary" cue. That's one of the ones I'm most excited for. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Jay said: Yea, which originally made me wonder if it was a theme he didn't compose until later on into the process (like the Past theme from HPPOA), but 3m3 Writing On The Wall was one of the first cues recorded, so it was there all along Which lines up with my assumption that they were possibly written based on the book/script earlier. Some fit better than others. 'Transformation Class' is a good example where the variation of the stone theme works better than the different components of the Chamber theme would have for the scene, its sinister minimalist build was better suited for a lot of scenes (it would have made for a great Voldemort theme in the later movies, much better than the Hook-ish one from PSS). Also i never found the Phoenix's theme and its development a great match for the bird. It sounds more like a Home Alone christmas theme or some kind of friendship theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, publicist said: Which lines up with my assumption that they were possibly written based on the book/script earlier. Some fit better than others. 'Transformation Class' is a good example where the variation of the stone theme works better than the different components of the Chamber theme would have for the scene, its sinister minimalist build was better suited for a lot of scenes (it would have made for a great Voldemort theme in the later movies, much better than the Hook-ish one from PSS). Also i never found the Phoenix's theme and its development a great match for the bird. It sounds more like a Home Alone christmas theme or some kind of friendship theme. I'd love to live in an alternate Universe where Williams got to write and develop his themes across all 8 films. There are so many great key moments that would've been extremely powerful bringing back his themes. Can you imagine what things like Half-Blood Prince (with the exploration of Voldemort and Dumbledore's Death) would've sounded like. Not to mention Deathly Hallows (bring back Window to the Past during Godric's Hollow and again at the end with the resurrection stone). I was watching the Snape's memory the other day and thinking how damn brilliant it would've been with a Williams score. redishere, Once and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 What I find weird about HP2 is that the concert arrangements contain really curoius material that seems unrelated to the story. Like, what purpose does the chaotic and/or loud material in Fawkes or The Chamber have? redishere and Arpy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Jay said: ... the interesting thing I figured out while working on this set was that Williams actually wrote another little motif relating to the chamber and the general mystery of the film; You can hear it at the end of the "Petrified Colin (Alternate)" sample (it was removed from the film version), but it was introduced earlier, in "The Writing On The Wall" and reappears later too, in "Ginny Gets Snatched". I imagine he would have embellished on this as well as the Chamber theme he had time to rewrite every cue that currently uses the Stone theme. Alas. I guess you mean the three half stone steps followed by the prolonged second phrase of the Chamber theme? Like at the 2-minute mark of Writing On The Wall, compare that to the phrase at The Chamber Of Secrets at i. e. 00:55. Same phrase, just with two more notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted December 3, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: What I find weird about HP2 is that the concert arrangements contain really curoius material that seems unrelated to the story. Like, what purpose does the chaotic and/or loud material in Fawkes or The Chamber have? That's just Williams being Williams Once, Molly Weasley, bollemanneke and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted December 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: What I find weird about HP2 is that the concert arrangements contain really curoius material that seems unrelated to the story. Like, what purpose does the chaotic and/or loud material in Fawkes or The Chamber have? It's just Williams giving the orchestra a workout, there are tons of such examples in his concert pieces that do not really fit a movie narrative. bollemanneke, MikeH, TSMefford and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 Just now, publicist said: I guess you mean the three half stone steps followed by the prolonged second phrase of the Chamber theme? Like at the 2-minute mark of Writing On The Wall, compare that to the phrase at The Chamber Of Secrets at i. e. 00:55. Same phrase, just with two more notes. Hmmm, true, nice connection TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 hours ago, publicist said: It's just Williams giving the orchestra a workout, there are tons of such examples in his concert pieces that do not really fit a movie narrative. Really? i've never seen that. Then again, I've only seen Jaws and SWESB, but still, that seems a bit odd to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Josh500 1,615 Posted December 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2018 4 hours ago, publicist said: Also i never found the Phoenix's theme and its development a great match for the bird. It sounds more like a Home Alone christmas theme or some kind of friendship theme. Really? You think this sounds like it might be a Christmas theme for Home Alone? Seriously!? 😂 It's subtle, maybe, so some people apparently don't understand what JW was trying to achieve, or maybe you haven't given this enough thought. Basically, "Fawkes the Phoenix" represents all that's good in the score (and the movie), it's the polar opposite of the fear, threat, and evil of "Chamber of Secrets". With "Fawkes the Phoenix," JW perfectly captures the wisdom, the dignity, the pride, the comfort... and ultimately the fragile goodness of things. It's just that the bird represents all those things in the movie, so the two bridges rather mimic the movement of birds, i.e. flutter of wings.... In my opinion it's a perfect match. It's one of JW's most recognizable, memorable, and powerful post-2000 themes. I would call it even a masterpiece. One thing that might be a little jarring is that JW wrote such a perfect little full-fledged theme for a bird that barely features in the movie (except in the end)... But then, of course, JW wrote the "Hedwig's Theme" for an owl too. Apparently JW was inspired a lot by birds... with amazing results. But Home Alone Christmas theme? No way! Listening to it now: Holko, Jay, TSMefford and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2018 John Williams is a real composer, if you know what I mean. When he writes these theme pieces, you can tell he takes it completely away from the dimension of the film and imagines it purely as a piece of music. Here, he takes the piece wherever the musical materials suggests to create its own dramatic arc: in the case of Imperial March, that might be adding a delicate little flute interlude, or in Jaws, spinning a relatively grounded fugue into a grandiose explosion as a climax. 7 minutes ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: Really? i've never seen that. Then again, I've only seen Jaws and SWESB, but still, that seems a bit odd to me. Holko, SteveMc, TSMefford and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 5 hours ago, bollemanneke said: What I find weird about HP2 is that the concert arrangements contain really curoius material that seems unrelated to the story. Like, what purpose does the chaotic and/or loud material in Fawkes or The Chamber have? Williams is a show-off. And a lot of the Harry Potter material is outrageously show-offy. The music in the first two films is so elaborate a lot of the times that it draws attention to itself constantly. And that's a great thing according to me. 1 hour ago, Josh500 said: Really? You think this sounds like it might be a Christmas theme for Home Alone? Seriously!? 😂 It's subtle, maybe, so some people apparently don't understand what JW was trying to achieve, or maybe you haven't given this enough thought. Basically, "Fawkes the Phoenix" represents all that's good in the score (and the movie), it's the polar opposite of the fear, threat, and evil of "Chamber of Secrets". With "Fawkes the Phoenix," JW perfectly captures the wisdom, the dignity, the pride, the comfort... and ultimately the fragile goodness of things. It's just that the bird represents all those things in the movie, so the two bridges rather mimic the movement of birds, i.e. flutter of wings.... In my opinion it's a perfect match. It's one of JW's most recognizable, memorable, and powerful post-2000 themes. I would call it even a masterpiece. One thing that might be a little jarring is that JW wrote such a perfect little full-fledged theme for a bird that barely features in the movie (except in the end)... But then, of course, JW wrote the "Hedwig's Theme" for an owl too. Apparently JW was inspired a lot by birds... with amazing results. But Home Alone Christmas theme? No way! Listening to it now: It is a masterpiece of music. To listen to, it is amazing. As a story device it doesn't work. The theme in no way suits the bird or its purpose in the film. I think for Fawkes, Williams did it backwards. I think... normal scoring technique would be.. you spot the film... figure out what themes are needed, write those themes, write the score and as a bonus expand the themes into concert versions for general playing and audience enjoyment. With Fawkes, it feels like Williams had the concept of a good theme and constructed a killer concert suite around it. He had a fantastic track on hands. And then he worked to retroactively adapt the theme to fit the concept that he had named the suite after. So he half-heartedly incorporated some versions of the theme for a handful of scenes featuring Fawkes. It kind of makes sense. Think about it. Williams was tight on CoS. Maybe he did not even do the whole spotting and let Ross do it. He just thought of some concepts and wrote concert suites and left the awkward business of adapting them to Ross. I am pointing out so many reasons because Williams is of course and extraordinarily story-teller. I can't find any other example in his work where a theme was so mismatched to the concept it was supposed to represent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Williams is a show-off. And a lot of the Harry Potter material is outrageously show-offy. The music in the first two films is so elaborate a lot of the times that it draws attention to itself constantly. And that's a great thing according to me. It is a masterpiece of music. To listen to, it is amazing. As a story device it doesn't work. The theme in no way suits the bird or its purpose in the film. I think for Fawkes, Williams did it backwards. I think... normal scoring technique would be.. you spot the film... figure out what themes are needed, write those themes, write the score and as a bonus expand the themes into concert versions for general playing and audience enjoyment. With Fawkes, it feels like Williams had the concept of a good theme and constructed a killer concert suite around it. He had a fantastic track on hands. And then he worked to retroactively adapt the theme to fit the concept that he had named the suite after. So he half-heartedly incorporated some versions of the theme for a handful of scenes featuring Fawkes. It kind of makes sense. Think about it. Williams was tight on CoS. Maybe he did not even do the whole spotting and let Ross do it. He just thought of some concepts and wrote concert suites and left the awkward business of adapting them to Ross. I am pointing out so many reasons because Williams is of course and extraordinarily story-teller. I can't find any other example in his work where a theme was so mismatched to the concept it was supposed to represent. Wow. Totally 100% disagree on Fawkes’s theme. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 43 minutes ago, TSMefford said: Wow. Totally 100% disagree on Fawkes’s theme. Ditto. By the way, some people get so hung up on "story-telling"! It's not JW's main job to tell a story! His job is to accompany and enhance the story on the screen. One effective way he does that is to create different themes for different characters and creatures, to make these musical associations in the viewer's mind. Star Wars is probably the best example. That's what he did here, as well. Nothing more, nothing less. And it works perfectly! I don't hear anybody complaining Yoda's theme doesn't tell a story! Or the theme for Jabba the Hutt! A. A. Ron and Zanobard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 That's what's unique about JW. He re-writes the story in music. Jay and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, King Mark said: That's what's unique about JW. He re-writes the story in music. It's more like his music is so well-written and deep and complex (in a good way), it develops a life and story of its own! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, Josh500 said: Ditto. By the way, some people get so hung up on "story-telling"! It's not JW's main job to tell a story! His job is to accompany and enhance the story on the screen. One effective way he does that is to create different themes for different characters and creatures, to make these musical associations in the viewer's mind. Star Wars is probably the best example. That's what he did here, as well. Nothing more, nothing less. And it works perfectly! I don't hear anybody complaining Yoda's theme doesn't tell a story! Or the theme for Jabba the Hutt! I mean I think that is part of the role of a composer. And the good ones do tell the story with their music I think. That’s what makes it interesting to listen to outside the film as well (besides just being awesome music). I think a great score grows and develops along with the characters and the story (in the same way other aspects of a film do) This is typically what I try to do when I occasionally score. I want the music to accompany and grow with the story of course. By doing so, and creating a cohesive score, the music tells the story as well. And many times more than what we can see or hear in the picture and sound design. This is why I find it really hard to connect with scores nowadays that don’t rely on themes. Themes and motifs are like characters to me. If you don’t have good ones...or any at all, then you can’t hope to tell as good of a story. That’s my opinion at least. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 hours ago, TSMefford said: Wow. Totally 100% disagree on Fawkes’s theme. Yeah not following this “Fawkes’ theme doesn’t sound like Fawkes” thing. Y’all are weird sometimes. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I’ve never thought Fawkes’s theme fit, and I thought I was alone! it is lovely though TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Not so much in melody but more in feel, I get a lot of similar vibes from Fawkes Theme and Yoda's Theme. To me, they both speak to a graceful wisdom which I find fitting for Fawkes even though he(?) is a non-speaking animal. I've never felt that the theme didn't fit the character. Arpy and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I think Fawkes as presented in the film isn’t really a character. Dumbledore is like, “CHECK OUT MY BIRD” and the majestic theme plays, and then half an hour later Harry is like “OH DAMN, THERE’S THAT BIRD AGAIN!” and the theme plays again. The theme has kind of got a majesty that the film doesn’t appropriately convey otherwise. Once, templeofwhat and TSMefford 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 5 hours ago, Nick Parker said: John Williams is a real composer, if you know what I mean. No he isn’t, you just made him up! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Josh500 said: I don't hear anybody complaining Yoda's theme doesn't tell a story! Or the theme for Jabba the Hutt! But that's the point: those fit, Fawkes with its waltzy, Tchaikovskian feel, doesn't. As my esteemed colleague above pointed out, the bird and ITS ROLE IN THE FILM just are not well represented in such a gooey theme - the main melodic phrases, i mean. Let alone the the dramatic flourish following it that sounds like, i don't know, an army of bats flying over Hogwarts castle. I'm not faulting Williams here, the theme is very good, better than many he wrote throughout the 2000's, it imho just doesn't fit the movie ver well and others share the same fate, to differing degrees, as we discussed above (the Dobby tune imho also feels rather vague). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,531 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 30 minutes ago, mstrox said: I think Fawkes as presented in the film isn’t really a character. Dumbledore is like, “CHECK OUT MY BIRD” and the majestic theme plays, and then half an hour later Harry is like “OH DAMN, THERE’S THAT BIRD AGAIN!” and the theme plays again. Yeah, some of Rowling's early "setup and payoff" structures were... unfortunate, especially when becoming highlighted in an abridged screenplay. I adore Fawkes' theme as a standalone piece, and the 5 times it plays in the film fit fine. I don't feel the need to think about it more than that. The theme fits a majestic bird's flight well, maybe with those darker sections Williams was trying to reflect on a phoenix's cyclical self-immolation and rebirth? Now with Yoda... I think the quiet but building Force theme scoring his "surrounds us and binds us" speech fits him better than his theme (or the two of them, really) ever does. I'm not even the biggest fan of its concert arrangement, I feel it doesn't really go anywhere and continues for 1.5 additional minutes after a perfectly fine finale, adding nothing else to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Yoda's Theme is a really boring piece of music once the happy-go-lucky part is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Holko said: Now with Yoda... I think the quiet but building Force theme scoring his "surrounds us and binds us" speech fits him better than his theme (or the two of them, really) ever does. I'm not even the biggest fan of its concert arrangement, I feel it doesn't really go anywhere and continues for 1.5 additional minutes after a perfectly fine finale, adding nothing else to it. There's the cheerful interlude after its first statement of the theme that imho fits the characters two sides, the wise part and the more playful part. I sure understand better what Williams was getting at than in any of the new themes in COS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted December 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2018 To me Fawkes' theme had a double-purpose, one to represent the bird (the resurrection from the ashes) of course, but another to represent the feeling of warmth/magic of the second entry of the series (even though a majority of the film is considerably darker than the first). It's like Williams' way of trying to convey perseverance I guess... Not Mr. Big, Jay, Alan and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Never listened to Fawkes' theme that often, but the cue I heard in Tim Burden's interview, when that theme was intertwined with Hedwig's, was totally unexpected in a good way: it really gave me shivers and made me remember how great it is. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Well yes, that's why there is a JW board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted December 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2018 I think Fawkes’ Theme could have eventually morphed in a theme for Dumbledore, had JW scored the rest of the films. Cerebral Cortex, Not Mr. Big, TSMefford and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 It's too much sing-along in style for him, but the Stone motif is better than anything later composers on the series came up with to denote 'evil'. Williams would have probably abandoned most of his themes except for oblique references (Moaning Myrtle, Dobby), the Bridge to the Past may fit the later movies, as of course would the main theme. Given the darker nature of those, i guess the spooky mood of COS and POA would have been furthered. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bollemanneke 3,352 Posted December 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2018 Doyle's Voldemort theme is just as great as the three note one. Arpy, redishere and TSMefford 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I find that totally forgettable, musically. Just another ominous phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, publicist said: It's too much sing-along in style for him, but the Stone motif is better than anything later composers on the series came up with to denote 'evil'. Williams would have probably abandoned most of his themes except for oblique references (Moaning Myrtle, Dobby), the Bridge to the Past may fit the later movies, as of course would the main theme. Given the darker nature of those, i guess the spooky mood of COS and POA would have been furthered. Didn't realize there were people who really don't think this theme fit, much less could not have been adapted and cleverly shifted throughout the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I don't think you find a lot of cases where that happened. Motifs yes, laborious themes, much less so. The way films are constructed just doesn't lend itself well to re-stating stuff that runs longer than 8 or 10 notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, publicist said: I don't think you find a lot of cases where that happened. Motifs yes, laborious themes, much less so. The way films are constructed just doesn't lend itself well to re-stating stuff that runs longer than 8 or 10 notes. I think there could've been moments appropriate for the full theme to return, but they don't even bring back the full Hedwig's Theme most of the time in the series. So who's to say couldn't have used partials of Fawkes theme? Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 It's a pipe dream. Williams abandoned all his themes apart from the big one for POA and with the series further shift away from the Columbus style, most of the more operetta ones - save the most adaptable, like the Stone motif, and Hedwig - would have been lost. Fans always think of those brilliant variations only they imagine and in reality these things never happen, apart from the odd 2-second cameo here or there. In reality, the later scores probably would have used a fair share of atmospheric material and been much less dependent on themes than the first two. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post redishere 697 Posted December 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2018 Just now, publicist said: It's a pipe dream. Williams abandoned all his themes apart from the big one for POA and with the series further shift away from the Columbus style, most of the more operetta ones - save the most adaptable, like the Stone motif, and Hedwig - would have been lost. Fans always think of those brilliant variations only they imagine and in reality these things never happen, apart from the odd 2-second cameo here or there. In reality, the later scores probably would have used a fair share of atmospheric material and been much less dependent on themes than the first two. Well, POA was a bit of a challenge, with the shift in tone, a different director, darker themes, long takes and all, so the soundtrack morphed accordingly. But I doubt Williams would've missed the chance to bring old themes up in the latest films: he did reuse the Ark theme for a few seconds in the warehouse scene of Indy4. crumbs, TSMefford, Once and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, redishere said: Well, POA was a bit of a challenge, with the shift in tone, a different director, darker themes, long takes and all, so the soundtrack morphed accordingly. But I doubt Williams would've missed the chance to bring old themes up in the latest films: he did reuse the Ark theme for a few seconds in the warehouse scene of Indy4. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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