bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I'm not even going to comment On this development. I don't dare! Talk amongst yourselves. https://www.hollywoodinsider.com/oscars-diversity-new-rules-academy-awards/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 9, 2020 Author Share Posted September 9, 2020 https://www.wpr.org/new-diversity-standards-best-picture-oscar-nominees-starting-2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Yay! Hollywood is so woke now! Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 9, 2020 Author Share Posted September 9, 2020 Must . Not....Comment ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KK 3,307 Posted September 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2020 I don't understand the problem. It's actually a pretty decent way at implementing long-term systemic change. Pieter Boelen, mstrox, Fancyarcher and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Othcarth... thythtemic thangthe Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 9, 2020 Author Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 hour ago, KK said: I don't understand the problem. 😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 hour ago, KK said: I don't understand the problem. It's actually a pretty decent way at implementing long-term systemic change. Yeah, by forcing it. That'll get honest results! Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 If Netflix's TV series Away was a movie it would win every Oscar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 9, 2020 Author Share Posted September 9, 2020 Must. Not. Give. Opinion.😒 MPAAS Motion Picture Academy Arts * Sciences * subject to change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 hour ago, AC1 said: If Netflix's TV series Away was a movie it would win every Oscar. Why does it have a white person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,360 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 John Boyega recently gave a magazine interview which included him talking about being 'sidelined'. A major part in the most recent trilogy of what is still arguably the world's biggest movie franchise ... there'd be a lot of actors who would kill for that kind of 'sidelining'. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Sounds like a bitchy ingrate. Tydirium and Sweeping Strings 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,526 Posted September 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2020 Will the guidelines include that producers and other crew can't be sleazy sexual predators, paedophiles etc.? Or that they can't have ties to places like China that are actively working on violently reducing their ethnic diversity? Oh, silly me, what am I saying, that doesn't count, they have money. Tydirium, Jurassic Shark, Sweeping Strings and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Holko said: Or that they can't have ties to places like China that are actively working on the violent reduction of their ethnic diversity? Oh, silly me, what am I saying, that doesn't count, they have money. RACISM! Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romão 2,274 Posted September 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 9, 2020 This seems like a silly way to tackle the problem. The awards might be a symptom or a consequence of the problem, never its cause. If you want to tackle it, start by providing equal opportunity in education and getting projects off the ground. The awards will (at least in theory), follow where the quality is. You don't do it the other way around, that solves absolutely nothing and might actually create a new form or resentment and backlash Edmilson, Holko, Arpy and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I’d be curious to know what Best Picture nominated movies would have been deemed ineligible with this. It seems like you’d have to seriously go out of your way to hire exclusively white dudes at every single level. Movies like The Godfather and Amadeus don’t meet Standard A but have Standard B covered since they had women heading creative departments. The studios would have just had to meet C or D at the time so if they had some female interns and/or marketing execs then there you go. Perhaps not. These days I’d be surprised if studios aren’t meeting both groups of criteria so theoretically any movie’s cast and crew could still be a white sausage fest and get nominated. But isn’t this already pretty much considered the bare minimum? I’m skeptical their goal here was spurring change rather than just to cover their asses by putting it in writing. Corellian2019 and KK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Romão said: This seems like a silly way to tackle the problem. The awards might be a symptom or a consequence of the problem, never its cause. If you want to tackle it, start by providing equal opportunity in education and getting projects off the ground. The awards will (at least in theory), follow where the quality is. Sure, but mainstream cinema has already been siloed off so much that education only gets things so far. It's already become almost impossible for talented filmmakers to make independent films fresh out of school, regardless of race or gender. And as an awards institution, this seems like a logical move for the Academy to make to actively incentivize the industry to start opening up spaces that have historically been blocked off. Again, no one is saying don't hire for talent. Or to replace talented directors/actors/etc to fill quotas. It's a matter of making production teams be more proactive about finding talent (especially around crew members) where they might not be looking. It's no perfect solution. But it actually works toward change without relying on empty rhetoric or stupid gestures like quotas in award nominations. 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: But isn’t this already pretty much considered the bare minimum? I’m skeptical their goal here was spurring change rather than just to cover their asses by putting it in writing. Yup. And yet it's still enough to rile JWFan up... Good intentions or not, it is one of the less empty gestures Hollywood has made in recent years. 4 hours ago, Holko said: Will the guidelines include that producers and other crew can't be sleazy sexual predators, paedophiles etc.? Or that they can't have ties to places like China that are actively working on violently reducing their ethnic diversity? Oh, silly me, what am I saying, that doesn't count, they have money. One step at a time. Liberal Hollywood has always been slow to action. Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I saw someone make the point that there’s no economic factor in the internships requirement and therefore, really, producers could recruit from their friends’ Beverly Hills High School buddies as long as a couple of them identify as bisexual. If they actually wanted to shake things up they could require kids from families making <$25k. Corellian2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Yea, but the more specific they get with their conditions, the more they're going to piss off angry white folk crying "This is not art anymore!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Hollyweird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Well it does mean you can't really make a movie like you want to if you have to meet a bunch of inclusion and diversity criterias. Then anything mildly controversial is going to be censored out if it possibly offends some people I dunno about historical dramas suddenly showing minority groups that weren't there at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I suppose filmmakers won't bother with chasing Oscars then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 The thing is that the guidelines represent the status quo in Hollywood already and will especially favor major studios who don’t actually have to do anything based on this. Indies lacking in internship programs and marketing/distribution arms will be more pressured to diversify the films themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, King Mark said: Well it does mean you can't really make a movie like you want to if you have to meet a bunch of inclusion and diversity criterias. Then anything mildly controversial is going to be censored out if it possibly offends some people I dunno about historical dramas suddenly showing minority groups that weren't there at the time. I don't think that's what the new requirements are asking for. Diversity doesn't just refer to what you see on screen. Nor does it ask for censorship. 5 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: The thing is that the guidelines represent the status quo in Hollywood already and will especially favor major studios who don’t actually have to do anything based on this. Indies lacking in internship programs and marketing/distribution arms will be more pressured to diversify the films themselves. This, is a more pressing issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/kirstie-alley-slams-oscars-diversity-inclusion-requirements-disgrace-to-artists Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Does a movie have to show on the screen a certain ratio of LGBTQ actors and actresses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 9 hours ago, AC1 said: If Netflix's TV series Away was a movie it would win every Oscar. Judging by the hair, the second gentleman from the right is also the gay one? Also, it would be fucking hysterical is the black gentleman had the Russia patch... A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Hollywood enforcing moral codes has never gone wrong SteveMc and bruce marshall 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Same mindset regulating art in Germany in the 30s, and in Russia 20 years earlier. A clutch of sinister pseudo intellectual ideologists force into the spotlight what they think should be right and wrong, and because they can articulate it well enough and use Charme, they lure well-meaning but gullible people into their crusade. It doesn't matter one rat's crap for what reason you restrict free expression of whatever. I let you in on a little secret: totalitarian structures can establish themselves only because the people behind it and supporting it feel they have the 100% justification. And these Hollywood parasites think they have an obligation to use their status for perpetuating "the right thinking". Well I have another news for you, the worst things are done by people who think they have the best intentions. Tydirium and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Diversity is good, but in no way affects the art of films. And isn't that what the Oscars is, an art award show for movies, and not a 3-hour political speech? Also, wouldn't this also impact all-black or all-Asian films? Would Parasite have been disqualified for a lack of diversity? Edmilson and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,456 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Yeah, but these days the Oscars are more about politics and less about movies. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Also, wouldn't this also impact all-black or all-Asian films? Would Parasite have been disqualified for a lack of diversity? This. After all, an all Asian-cast excludes white people, and an all-female cast excludes men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 9, 2020 Author Share Posted September 9, 2020 13 hours ago, bruce marshall said: MPAAS = Motion Picture Academy [To be announced] Sciences For Manakin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 9, 2020 Author Share Posted September 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I don't understand what you're trying to point out... I removed thev' Arts' from MPAAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: I removed thev' Arts' from MPAAS So did the MPA?S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 The only color Hollywood cares for is green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 No matter how noble the intentions behind this may be, the result will be that most movies will become essentially committee made to ensure that the code is met. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 10, 2020 Author Share Posted September 10, 2020 I'd love to see Spielberg et.al. resign in protest ( he already expressed his disapproval about new members being chosen based on the same criteria). The OSCARS is a giant advert for the industry. It was created for that reason by Capra and Columbia). It has never been about ' art'. That is why they are so protective ( and litigenous) about their trademark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 11 hours ago, Chen G. said: This. After all, an all Asian-cast excludes white people, and an all-female cast excludes men. That's taboo, Chen! I guess it's a diversity quota when it's in the west, elsewhere no such requirements are imposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,689 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 It's a nice idea in principle, but I think in practice all it does is push to nuclear levels the virtue signalling that goes on in the oscars, with the main winners preaching about something or other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 This is pure idiocy. They could just as well rename it right away, from "Best Film" to "Most Politically Correct Film". If they want proper change, then start by exchanging some of the old white men in the academy itself - the people who actually nominate. They're attacking this from the completely wrong end, and by force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,689 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 "Most Politically Correct Film" has been the case for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Just as long as the film has a white savior in it. (Most of the time. Parasite was a nice breakaway from the mold) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 However you look at it, at the end of the day somebody will be counting the number of members in the film who are of a certain race/gender in order to fit a "standard", which doesn't sound like a good idea. I'm also not sure even how feasible it is to check if you've met some of those listed "standards" (e.g. B3 Overall crew composition) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 10, 2020 Author Share Posted September 10, 2020 I predict this crackpot scheme will be scrapped before it's ever implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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