Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Half am hour usually covers all the interesting music anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 That;s probably right. But when John Williams would publish a half hour OST, I know he would write for that special arrangements and suites. So, I still get a rounded listening experience. But the Goldsmith OSTs often just pin actual pieces from the score in a random line, it seems. It often feels incomplete to me. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Yeah, he could have done more. GerateWohl and bruce marshall 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 31 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Yeah, he could have done more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 7, 2021 Author Share Posted May 7, 2021 10 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: Why not a “Danny Elfman Spider-Man Collection” to sell alongside the Batman one? Also, I’m pretty sure MV said Spidey 3 would be a licensing nightmare. Anything is possible if course, I just shared my personal speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 On 5/6/2021 at 11:36 PM, GerateWohl said: The only composers where I am really interested in expansions are John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith, and for Jerry mainly because most of the OSTs just carry half an hour of music which often just feels like a glimpse through the key hole on the score. Agreed...though on the new S*P*Y*S expansion it's the half hour of music (well, 34 minutes) that's the full expanded score and the glimpse through the keyhole Varese gave us 17-18 years ago was only 19 minutes. Yavar GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted July 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2021 New JW coming soon! What could it be?!?!?!!! http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8748 Quote More music by Jerry Goldsmith plus new John Williams and Danny Elfman albums. filmmusic, Holko, Chewy and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 gimme. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 The hype is real! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 57 minutes ago, ATXHusker said: New JW coming soon! What could it be?!?!?!!! http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8748 Sweet! Just finished my first time listen of Images and Always. As far as what the next release will be, at this point, anything goes! Looking forward to the announcement. Dr. Rick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted July 6, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2021 Please may it be The Patriot or The John Williams Star Wars Collection + The John Williams Indiana Jones Collection. Saying this just not to look foolish if it does happen Chewy, Edmilson, BrotherSound and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Hook! Hook! Hook! Goddamn it, give me Hook! Chewy and Bayesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 It is the 30th Anniversary. And they know we want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 Is The Eiger Sanction free game for any of the labels? Or can only one of them do it? Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 39 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said: Is The Eiger Sanction free game for any of the labels? Or can only one of them do it? Varèse Sarabande released the original CD, so they’re the most likely candidate to release an expansion, but I’m not sure if they have exclusive rights or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 7, 2021 Author Share Posted July 7, 2021 The Eiger Sanction was a Universal Pictures film with a MCA Records (UMG) OST. All the labels work with both those companies. BrotherSound and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Is it easier to list the JW scores that Intrada would not work on or lost the ones they could release? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, ATXHusker said: Is it easier to list the JW scores that Intrada would not work on or lost the ones they could release? After WOTW came from Intrada, it's hard to say which label will tackle which score (I always pegged that as an LLL release, with the Paramount/Dreamworks/Spielberg connection). I still expect the majority of Spielberg's films will come from LLL, though. Intrada are the most likely candidates for anything connected to Disney Records, so The Patriot and Nixon (The BFG is off-limits for the time being). Eiger has the Varese connection but I don't think they own that soundtrack in perpetuity, so it's no guarantee (I'm sure they'd be thrilled to get that score expanded on their own label though...) Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Hoping for the first Oliver Stone expansion. crocodile and blondheim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 12 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Hook! Hook! Hook! Goddamn it, give me Hook! Could this actually happen considering that LLL released the first expansion? Does this happen often? (For example, a scores's expansion first being released by one label, then a complete edition by another label) 7 hours ago, crumbs said: The BFG is off-limits for the time being How long is the time being? Not really sure how this whole different fees for rights after a certain year thing works... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Yeah, I was wondering that too right after my initial post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,526 Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, carlborg said: (For example, a scores's expansion first being released by one label, then a complete edition by another label) It absolutely does happen (for example, Varese expanded The Fury and Home Alone 2, then LLL did them again later more complete), but I can't imagine LLL not wanting to fix the previous mess themselves. Also, no Titus for WotW was a bad enough loss already, we have to have him for Hook again. crlbrg, Chewy and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, carlborg said: How long is the time being? Not really sure how this whole different fees for rights after a certain year thing works... In one simple sentence: All scores from after 2005 can't be expanded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said: In one simple sentence: All scores from after 2005 can't be expanded A bit less simple than that bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 49 minutes ago, Holko said: It absolutely does happen (for example, Varese expanded The Fury and Home Alone 2, then LLL did them again later more complete), but I can't imagine LLL not wanting to fix the previous mess themselves. Also, no Titus for WotW was a bad enough loss already, we have to have him for Hook again. Yeah, watch LLL putting out a press release for a new Hook version praising the initial product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, Holko said: A bit less simple than that “Recorded in LA” being perhaps the biggest qualifier. But if a release was likely to sell in significant enough quantities (say, a Star Wars score) then I think the label might take a bet on it. Hopefully a more agreeable 10/15 year rolling cutoff will be agreed as the current rule seems unnecessarily restrictive and arbitrary. crlbrg and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 2 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Yeah, watch LLL putting out a press release for a new Hook version praising the initial product. Maybe they'll just reissue the first expansion with slightly better sound, like Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 I just had a terrible thought come to mind, what if it's a reissue of Jaws? Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said: “Recorded in LA” being perhaps the biggest qualifier. But if a release was likely to sell in significant enough quantities (say, a Star Wars score) then I think the label might take a bet on it. Hopefully a more agreeable 10/15 year rolling cutoff will be agreed as the current rule seems unnecessarily restrictive and arbitrary. It's even murkier than that. For example, Lincoln wasn't recorded in LA but is seemingly also subject to these absurd new AFM fees. I really hope they move to a sliding date or a new cutoff (even 15 years would open up Munich and Memoirs to the labels immediately). crlbrg and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, crumbs said: Maybe they'll just reissue the first expansion with slightly better sound, like Batman Nah, it'll be a straight reissue. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 1 minute ago, ATXHusker said: I just had a terrible thought come to mind, what if it's a reissue of Jaws? Taikomochi, Tom Guernsey, Holko and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 There's even fewer teeth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 7, 2021 Author Share Posted July 7, 2021 3 hours ago, carlborg said: How long is the time being? Not really sure how this whole different fees for rights after a certain year thing works... 3 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Yeah, I was wondering that too right after my initial post. Here's Mike's explanation again "For AFM recordings made before July 3, 2005, NO reuse needs to be paid to the musicians at all, provided a) that it’s for a physical format release with a 5000 unit maximum, and b) that the musicians list is published, preferably in the packaging. For recordings made after that date, whatever the musicians were paid to record the score for the film has to be paid to them again, 100%. That’s why it’s called “reuse”. They were paid to play music for sync purposes, but an album is a new use. So, hypothetically, if 120 people were paid $360,000 to record the music for the film (musicians, orchestrators, copyists, at an average of $3K a person), then a label would have to pay that exact same amount to AFM in order to put out an expanded album. That makes it impossible to consider even before you get to licensing, publishing, production and manufacturing. The 2005 date was established in 2015 and applied to recordings going back 10 years prior, but unfortunately it was not a “sliding” date as it really should have been. Mike" The only post-July 3 2005, AFM-recorded scores that have been expanded so far are Giacchino's three Star Trek scores - presumably Varese cut a special deal with the AFM to make those releases happen. So, there is precedent for getting around this roadblock. crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jay said: The only post-July 3 2005, AFM-recorded scores that have been expanded so far are Giacchino's three Star Trek scores, and Powell's How To Train Your Dragon 1. Presumably in all 4 cases Varese cut a special deal with the AFM to make the releases happen. Isn't HTTYD a London recorded score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 7, 2021 Author Share Posted July 7, 2021 Yea, you're right! What was the score I'm thinking of then? Or is it just the three Treks and thats it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted July 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 Conclusion: They should release the complete score in the fisrt place. Fees already paid! Dont waste time and money on short OSTS... Jay, Holko and crumbs 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Is there a Yavar-esque exhaustive "unreleased John Williams music" thread somewhere that we could refer to for likely candidates for expansion/premiere? Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 7, 2021 Author Share Posted July 7, 2021 Sure, anything not crossed out on either of these John Williams scores - By Music Label John Williams scores - by Film Studio 1977 and Yavar Moradi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 4 hours ago, May the Force be with You said: In one simple sentence: All scores from after 2005 can't be expanded Will the high cost of doing these expansions remain so indefinitely? Or does it become possible after a certain amount of years, or something of the sort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 7, 2021 Author Share Posted July 7, 2021 As far as we all know, it will stay exactly like it is forever, until the AFM decides to change it. When or why they might change their minds is completely unknown to anyone here crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 Maybe it'll be Cinderella Liberty or SpaceCamp since Intrada has released those OSTs in the past? I'd be happy with either one since I don't have CL and I don't like the OST presentation for SC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 So assuming it's not a re-issue, could it be something from below? I've eliminated the obvious unlikely candidates (e.g. Star Wars). Disney 20th Century Studios 1967 Valley of the Dolls 1973 The Paper Chase (FSM 1998 released can be improved upon) 1973 Cinderella Liberty (Intrada 2008 release was not expanded) 1974 Conrack (FSM 1998 released can be improved upon) 1986 SpaceCamp (Intrada 2010 release - and 2014 re-issue - are not expanded) Hollywood Pictures 1995 Nixon MGM United Artists 1971 Fiddler On The Roof (2001 30th Anniversary CD is not complete) Paramount Allied Artists 1960 I Passed For White National General Pictures 1969 The Reivers Paramount 1995 Sabrina 1999 Angela's Ashes Dreamworks 1997 Amistad 2002 Catch Me If You Can 2004 The Terminal Sony Imperial Productions / American International Pictures 1958 Daddy-O Columbia Pictures 1960 Because They're Young 1963 Diamond Head (FSM 2006 release was not expanded) 1963 Gidget Goes To Rome 1998 Stepmom 2000 The Patriot Tri-Star Pictures 1991 Hook (La-La Land 2012 release is not complete) 1997 Seven Years In Tibet Universal 1961 The Secret Ways 1965 The Killers 1966 The Rare Breed 1966 The Plainsman 1970 Storia di una donna (Story of a Woman) 1974 The Sugarland Express 1975 The Eiger Sanction 1989 Born On The Fourth Of July Universal Television 1972 The Screaming Woman Warner Brothers 1987 The Witches Of Eastwick (Perseverance 2012 release is not expanded) 1988 The Accidental Tourist (FSM 2008 release is not expanded) 1991 JFK 1996 Sleepers National Geographic Pictures 1969 Daddy's Gone A-Hunting Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 7, 2021 Author Share Posted July 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: Not sure if MoaG and Munich fall under the AFM thingey or not. They do. As far as Williams' 2005 scores go, Revenge of the Sith was recorded in London so doesn't qualify, WOTW finished recording before July 3rd so doesn't qualify (and has already been expanded anyway), and both Geisha and Munich were recorded after July 3rd so do qualify 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jay said: They do. As far as Williams' 2005 scores go, Revenge of the Sith was recorded in Londo so doesn't qualify, WOTW finished recording before July 3rd so doesn't qualify (and has already been expanded anyway), and both Geisha and Munich were recorded after July 3rd so do qualify Ah. So it's all Tom Cruise's fault then. List edited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 just for 3 days we cant have geisha (or munich) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 So I'm not an Intrada person at all (yet). Is this also going to be a tuesday announcement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 I just want The Patriot. When The Patriot gets expanded, my life will finally be complete. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted July 7, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2021 21 hours ago, bollemanneke said: So I'm not an Intrada person at all (yet). Is this also going to be a tuesday announcement? Intrada releases titles every-other-week, unless nothing is ready, then they just take that week off. Roger reveals what their next title will be at any random time on any random day he chooses, often the week prior to its release, usually on Weds-Fri. He does this reveal on Intrada's own message board, here. Then, all their releases are always considered "Tuesday" releases, but they actually go live on their website for ordering Monday evenings after they've finished shipping for the day. That Monday evening update is also when we learn what the tracklist is, as well as can hear samples; The info Roger gives us the week prior is typically just the cover art. For example, in 2021, here is every title they've released, and how long beforehand Roger revealed each one: Jan 12 - Psycho III {revealed 11 days prior on Friday Jan 1} Jan 26 - none Feb 9 - none Feb 23 - Flight of the Phoenix {revealed 7 days prior on Tuesday Feb 16} Mar 9 - Legal Eagles {revealed 10 days prior on Saturday Feb 27} Mar 23 - Face of a Fugitive {revealed 24 days prior on Saturday Feb 27} Apr 6 - Company Business {revealed 5 days prior on Thursday Apr 1} Apr 20 - none May 4 - Rio Conchos {revealed 5 days prior on Thursday Apr 29} May 18 - Deepstar 6 {revealed 4 days prior on Friday May 14} Jun 1 - Shamus {revealed 6 days prior on Wednesday May 26} Jun 15 - The Public Eye {revealed 5 days prior on Thursday Jun 10} Jun 29 - Call of the Wild {revealed 5 days prior on Thursday Jun 24} Jul 13 - Jul 27 - Aug 10 - Aug 24 - Sep 7 - Sep 21 - Oct 5 - Oct 19 - Nov 2 - Nov 16 - Nov 30 - Dec 14 - Dec 28 - So, July 13th's title is likely to be revealed at any random time today, tomorrow, or Friday (but could be later, or there might not be a July 13th title) Then, July 27th's title is likely to be revealed at any random time Weds the 21st -> Fri the 23rd, but could be earlier or later, or there might not be a July 27th title etc Since you said you've never bought an Intrada title, some Intrada titles I heartily recommend include John Williams - Jaws, Jaws 2, The River, War of the Worlds Jerry Goldsmith - Alien, Patton, Explorers, Night Crossing James Horner - The Land Before Time, Honey I Shrunk The Kids, The Rocketeer, Apollo 13 Danny Elfman - Edward Scissorhands Alan Silvestri - Predator, Back To The Future, Back To The Future II, Judge Dredd Craig Safan - The Last Starfighter Bruce Broughton - Lost In Space MrJosh, Bayesian, bollemanneke and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 59 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I just want The Patriot. When The Patriot gets expanded, my life will finally be complete. Until the Star wars Prequels and Sequels are relased Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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