bollemanneke 3,349 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 On 14/09/2022 at 12:21 PM, Disco Stu said: Williams has nothing to prove, no need to make some “final statement.” He will give the film in front of him the score it needs like he always does. Yeah, about that: what WOULD we consider to be his final statement right now? TROS? Berlin concert? I'm hesitant to go for TROS as long as we don't have a proper album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,478 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Yeah, about that: what WOULD we consider to be his final statement right now? TROS? Berlin concert? I'm hesitant to go for TROS as long as we don't have a proper album. Helena's Theme united with Marion’s Theme? His piano concerto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: what WOULD we consider to be his final statement right now? Williams is not some grandiose Romantic narcissist like Mahler or whatever. He doesn't think in those terms so we shouldn't try to project it on to his work. Drew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sandor 797 Posted September 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2022 9 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Yeah, about that: what WOULD we consider to be his final statement right now? TROS? Berlin concert? I'm hesitant to go for TROS as long as we don't have a proper album. I think there is not a singular final statement. Williams probably receives more acclaim now, than at any other point in his career. The concerts in Vienna, Berlin and Milan, his collaboration with Anne-Sophie Mutter and the fact that he's still scoring films at 90 (!) years of age, including an Indiana Jones film, are such wonderful moments to witness. I think Williams 'final statement' is that during the last phase of his career, he was regarded as 'a great composer', not just a 'film music composer' and his music and presence was heralded in the epicentres of classical music. Andy, Bayesian, Taikomochi and 13 others 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,478 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 For me BfG is a kind of final statement on the childhood / fairy tale genre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 No, he needs to release a big showstopper preferably called something like 'An American Symphony' with 500 piece orchestra, mixed chorus, cannon shots and allusions to all his big blockbuster cues. I mean, what more could we ask for? Bayesian and KK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,478 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, publicist said: No, he needs to release a big showstopper preferably called something like 'An American Symphony' with 500 piece orchestra, mixed chorus, cannon shots and allusions to all his big blockbuster cues. I mean, what more could we ask for? a requiem ;-) Martinland 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I think even Williams stopped counting all the requiems he wrote for SW since ROTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,513 Posted September 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2022 4 hours ago, crumbs said: Alright you clever mockup people... have at it! Enhanced version of the sheet music posted the other day: mocc.mp3 It's probably more than a bit incorrect since I have trouble reading the spots that are probably trying to communicate to me the sharp and flat symbols, and I am too tired to play a harmony guessing game atm. One bar of bassline is obscured, so I left it empty. enderdrag64, Falstaft, crumbs and 10 others 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,478 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 re final statement: Benny's Theme Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2022 Just now, BB-8 said: Lando's Theme Lando's not a theme, he's a man Brando, Fabulin and Martinland 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Fabulin said: mocc.mp3 1.11 MB · 13 downloads It's probably more than a bit incorrect since I have trouble reading the spots that are probably trying to communicate to me the sharp and flat symbols, and I am too tired to play a harmony guessing game atm. One bar of bassline is obscured, so I left it empty. The work of an old and wise master! Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,478 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Lando's not a theme, he's a man I was thinking of the most insignificant SW characters, like Lobot's Theme. 9 minutes ago, Fabulin said: mocc.mp3 1.11 MB · 24 downloads It's probably more than a bit incorrect since I have trouble reading the spots that are probably trying to communicate to me the sharp and flat symbols, and I am too tired to play a harmony guessing game atm. One bar of bassline is obscured, so I left it empty. I can hear Bach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Didn't JW listen to a ton of Bach over lockdown? If it translates over to JW's music then that's too bad, since Bach isn't my thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastoEls 563 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Sandor said: I think there is not a singular final statement. Williams probably receives more acclaim now, then at any other point in his career. The concerts in Vienna, Berlin and Milan, his collaboration with Anne-Sophie Mutter and the fact that he's still scoring films at 90 (!) years of age, including an Indiana Jones film is such a wonderful moment to witness. I think Williams 'final statement' is that during the last phase of his career, he was regarded as 'a great composer', not just a 'film music composer' and his music and presence was heralded in the epicentre of classical music. And with JWFan members literally in the photo! (me included!) Sandor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,660 Posted September 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2022 29 minutes ago, Drew said: Didn't JW listen to a ton of Bach over lockdown? If it translates over to JW's music then that's too bad, since Bach isn't my thing. Kind of a Bach-Humbug comment. Holko, crumbs, Brando and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Lol. I just don't like the kind of music Bach wrote. I don't like pre-romantic period music for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Fabulin said: mocc.mp3 1.11 MB · 201 downloads It's probably more than a bit incorrect since I have trouble reading the spots that are probably trying to communicate to me the sharp and flat symbols, and I am too tired to play a harmony guessing game atm. One bar of bassline is obscured, so I left it empty. Great work.Is there someone in this thread who saw the film. That can comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Gibster said: Great work.Is there someone in this thread who saw the film. That can comment? Paging @The Illustrious Jerry for comment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted September 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2022 5 hours ago, Fabulin said: mocc.mp3 1.11 MB · 358 downloads I can't speak to how accurate it is to the sheet music, and it's a little vague in my memory hearing just the piano part isolated this way, but otherwise that's very much in the vicinity of the score's main idea. I think the first few notes of the melody are also outlined by celeste at one or two points in the film. Good work, Fabulin! Brando, Fabulin, Sandor and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 https://variety.com/feature/2023-oscars-best-original-score-predictions-1235381044/ Will and eitam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,513 Posted September 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Sandor said: https://variety.com/feature/2023-oscars-best-original-score-predictions-1235381044/ Quote Composer John Williams is a legend in every facet of the music world. Aside from winning 25 Grammys and five Oscars, he is undoubtedly the most important musical artist living today. Based Taikomochi, Bayesian, Joni Wiljami and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 https://movieweb.com/the-fabelmans-tiff-2022-review/ "Meanwhile, John Williams' score, yet another with an established working relationship with Spielberg, is the musical heartbeat of The Fabelmans, at once grand and whispering when the moment calls for it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Starting to get some hopium that this could be Williams’ year Sandor and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 We're still way too early in the awards campaign cycle for me to have that kind of hope. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 A boy can dream. I know I will probably look like Charlie Brown in Disco Stu’s avatar come next spring. Sandor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 398 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Taikomochi said: Starting to get some hopium that this could be Williams’ year From my point of view, every year is Williams' year. Sandor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Taikomochi said: Starting to get some hopium that this could be Williams’ year Don't do it to yourself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 14 hours ago, Taikomochi said: Starting to get some hopium that this could be Williams’ year Williams' *year*? Because he might win his now sixth Oscar for what is certainly no major new work? This kind of thinking always was elusive to me. Who cares? What does it change? JW really has enough awards, honorary titles, plaques and so on. It would honor him much more if they would use the opportunity to showcase him and film MUSIC in a segment as (once) important artform that has been neglected and for quite a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sandor 797 Posted September 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2022 4 hours ago, publicist said: Williams' *year*? Because he might win his now sixth Oscar for what is certainly no major new work? This kind of thinking always was elusive to me. Who cares? What does it change? JW really has enough awards, honorary titles, plaques and so on. It would honor him much more if they would use the opportunity to showcase him and film MUSIC in a segment as (once) important artform that has been neglected and for quite a while now. So there are people (myself included) who would be happy to see Williams win another Academy Award. Who cares? There are almost 8 billion (!) people on this planet my friend, all with different ambitions, opinions, goals, viewpoints and dreams. If you're going to comment on every line of thinking that deviates from your own, you're going to find yourself a very busy man. Jay, crumbs and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 And more buzz from Variety: https://variety.com/2022/artisans/awards/roger-deakins-john-williams-ruth-carter-artisans-oscars-race-2024-1235381707/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Sandor said: There are almost 8 billion (!) people on this planet my friend, all with different ambitions, opinions, goals, viewpoints and dreams. If you're going to comment on every line of thinking that deviates from your own, you're going to find yourself a very busy man. Be assured that i make such comments only in the most puzzling examples (which i spot). Or i would have a full-time job on this board alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, publicist said: Be assured that i make such comments only in the most puzzling examples (which i spot). Or i would have a full-time job on this board alone. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Sandor said: And more buzz from Variety: https://variety.com/2022/artisans/awards/roger-deakins-john-williams-ruth-carter-artisans-oscars-race-2024-1235381707/amp/ Based on comments from those who have seen the film, I don't think the writer of this article has actually heard the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 It would be rather bizarre if Williams won for this. But he will certainly get nominated. Hildur is getting a lot of buzz for Women Talking and I imagine Tar will do well too. So could be her year again. On 22/09/2022 at 4:03 PM, Fabulin said: mocc.mp3 1.11 MB · 1,960 downloads It's probably more than a bit incorrect since I have trouble reading the spots that are probably trying to communicate to me the sharp and flat symbols, and I am too tired to play a harmony guessing game atm. One bar of bassline is obscured, so I left it empty. The character of those descending fifths in the beginning sounds close to the intro idea that leads into the main melody (which is doubled on celeste). From what I remember, the main theme itself is rather simple in shape. Maybe I'll noodle something out from memory later when I'm at the piano. The Illustrious Jerry and BB-8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,478 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Does he urgently need an Oscar after getting a KBE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,513 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 An Oscar feels like one of the very few awards he hasn't got yet, if you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 The only really major award for his kind of work that Williams has never won is a Pulitzer Prize for Music. That will never happen, although I suppose its possible they one day give him a "posthumous citation" like they did for Duke Ellington and George Gershwin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: The only really major award for his kind of work that Williams has never won is a Pulitzer Prize for Music. That will never happen, although I suppose its possible they one day give him a "posthumous citation" like they did for Duke Ellington and George Gershwin. You say that having not heard Indiana Jones 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: You say that having not heard Indiana Jones 5 "John Williams and the Search for the Pulitzer Prize" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 Just now, Tom said: "John Williams and the Search for the Pulitzer Prize" The Prize of Pulitzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,478 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: The only really major award for his kind of work that Williams has never won is a Pulitzer Prize for Music. That will never happen, although I suppose its possible they one day give him a "posthumous citation" like they did for Duke Ellington and George Gershwin. JW would possibly also qualify for the Nobel Peace Prize. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 The music Pulitzer has been awarded to a film score exactly once before, in 1949 for Virgil Thomson's score to the non-Hollywood production Louisiana Story. It was really just because they wanted to give Virgil Thomson a prize I think. For those not steeped in reading about that mid-century American classical culture like I am, Virgil Thomson was a very influential figure, but more for his writing as a music critic and his prominence in the NYC classical music social circles than for his own music. In the long term, his only real importance was pointing Aaron Copland in the direction of using American folk music for his populist turn of the 1930s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 His most famous works, The River and The Plow that Broke the Plains, are worth a listen. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 3 hours ago, publicist said: His most famous works, The River and The Plow that Broke the Plains, are worth a listen. Oh I agree, and I even own the DVD Naxos released with those re-recorded scores replacing the soundtracks of the original short films. His Symphony on a Hymn Tune is also very nice. Thomson is an interesting footnote, but a footnote nonetheless. It's fun to do a direct comparison comparison between Thomson's arrangement of the cowboy tune "I Ride an Old Paint" and Copland's in the Rodeo ballet. IMO you can hear why Thomson was always going to be in the Copland's shadow. I should also say that the concert suite of the film score Thomson won the Pulitzer for is good! publicist and ConorPower 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 This lengthy article sees Williams' The Fabelmans score as a 'potential frontrunner', but not as a frontrunner, although it adds: Note: Only films that the author has seen will be named frontrunners at this time. Perhaps the writer simply didn't see The Fabelmans yet. It also states the score has been confirmed eligible. https://www.indiewire.com/feature/2023-oscars-best-original-score-predictions-1234766585/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 6 hours ago, Sandor said: This lengthy article sees Williams' The Fabelmans score as a 'potential frontrunner', but not as a frontrunner, although it adds: Note: Only films that the author has seen will be named frontrunners at this time. Perhaps the writer simply didn't see The Fabelmans yet. It also states the score has been confirmed eligible. https://www.indiewire.com/feature/2023-oscars-best-original-score-predictions-1234766585/ I am glad it is eligible. "Potential frontrunner" sounds similar to when people say something like "This world leader might do such and such." The "might" makes the statement true about any given person doing any given thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 On 27/09/2022 at 8:23 AM, BB-8 said: Does he urgently need an Oscar after getting a KBE? Does Williams qualify for Sainthood? St. John Williams. I like the sound of that BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 I am expected the main themes and (minimally the) end credits to be extremely good. However, it would be funny if the score was so low-key as to be boring and end up being the score to win an Oscar after 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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