Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted May 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2023 There are people who don't like the KOTCS score? Courtney Sees Ghosts, Bellosh, Andy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 KOTCS score fans when someone says they don't like it: Courtney Sees Ghosts and Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brando 1,864 Posted May 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2023 KOTCS’s score is so so good. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I have a feeling that when it gets remastered and expanded, more people on here will come to appreciate it. The recording session leak is awesome, but when we have about the same thing C&C, and in better quality, there’ll be more fans. Bellosh, Raiders of the SoundtrArk, BrotherSound and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bellosh 3,419 Posted May 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2023 The score to KOTCS is ultimately the reason why I'm on this forum. I loved the Indy movies as a kid. They were my favorite thing ever. But went through that teenager thru college thru post college phase where I couldn't be bothered with anything I liked in my childhood (even though if brought up I would show appreciation) When KOTCS was about to come out the Indy movies played on the USA channel for multiple weeks straight. One weekend I watched them all and I just re-fell in love with everything Indiana Jones. I blame John Williams. I remember when the score came out I bought it and going to FYE (remember that store) and asking if they had the raiders of the lost ark score available. Little did I know when it came to scores... Long story short here I am. So I'm thankful for KOTCS in that regards. Taikomochi, Andy, Brando and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brando 1,864 Posted May 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2023 Also, John Williams has the unique ability to see a spaceship lifting off during the spotting session and go “yeah we’re gonna launch this sucker and it’s going to sound incredible” and then give us the glorious Departure. His track record for this special ability is amazing. And the best part is my favorite moment in the cue at 1:46 is looped in the film so you get to hear it twice🤌🤌 Cerebral Cortex, Andy, Holko and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted May 30, 2023 Share Posted May 30, 2023 Arguably the best cue on the OST next to whirl thru academe.... Me talking to people who have only experienced the OST and not the expanded recording sessions: Gabriel Bezerra and Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2023 49 minutes ago, Bellosh said: The score to KOTCS is ultimately the reason why I'm on this forum. KOTCS was a formative score for my JW fandom when I saw it in 7th grade. Also the first Spielberg I saw in the theaters. I have problems with it now but you can't take that away Andy, Gabriel Bezerra and Bellosh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 My hot take is the complete Jungle Chase is the best extended setpiece Williams wrote for any of these. Incredible, incredible action scoring, thrilling in its complexity. Gabriel Bezerra, Arpy and Courtney Sees Ghosts 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hristo 12 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 4 hours ago, Brando said: KOTCS’s score is so so good. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I have a feeling that when it gets remastered and expanded, more people on here will come to appreciate it. The recording session leak is awesome, but when we have about the same thing C&C, and in better quality, there’ll be more fans. Where can I find this leaked recording session? Thank you. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 8 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: KOTCS was a formative score for my JW fandom when I saw it in 7th grade. Also the first Spielberg I saw in the theaters. I have problems with it now but you can't take that away HMM my first Spielberg in theaters was War of the Worlds. the "see Spielbergs in theaters" didn't last long though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 I found that the 'leak' shone a light on some parts - the opening seqence, all the action around the Jungle Chase and most of the ending. Some spectacular material there. I still think it shows up shortcomings in the middle, plot-driven part of the score with Oxley. My personal playlist is ~50 minutes which almost entirely omits the middle half hour or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 I'm pretty sure my first Spielberg in a theater was ET for the 20th anniversary, but it wasn't a particularly memorable experience? I feel like I didn't really relate to it til I was an adult, weirdly. Whereas the first new one I saw in theaters was Catch Me If You Can the same year, which I became obsessed with. I only missed Munich since then. I saw Crystal Skull at the drive-in! Kinda perfect for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 407 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 11 hours ago, Brando said: KOTCS’s score is so so good. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I have a feeling that when it gets remastered and expanded, more people on here will come to appreciate it. The recording session leak is awesome, but when we have about the same thing C&C, and in better quality, there’ll be more fans. The way not few people overestimate audio quality is funny. It's not like this is a deal between 1960 and 2023. And even if it was, I've never heard someone going "Man, I always hated Gone With The Wind, but now that I hear the cello more clearly, I love it!" Like it was suddenly a different score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,246 Posted May 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2023 20 hours ago, Brando said: KOTCS’s score is so so good. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I have a feeling that when it gets remastered and expanded, more people on here will come to appreciate it. The recording session leak is awesome, but when we have about the same thing C&C, and in better quality, there’ll be more fans. The OST badly needed the complete Jungle Chase… Gabriel Bezerra, Cerebral Cortex, Richard Penna and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,864 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 22 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: The OST badly needed the complete Jungle Chase… YES!!! BrotherSound and Cerebral Cortex 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 The stupid thing about the version on the album is it's largely a repeat of sections of Adventures of Mutt. The full version is so much more interesting and varied. I'm skimming through a few tracks now on Spotify and am reminded of why I made a custom playlist years ago. What's frustrating is that there are a handful of moments of brilliance but when Williams starts scoring the actual plot and story, it loses me or it falls back onto standard Williams drama techniques, such as squealing strings and woodwinds for scorpions or chaotic brass stabs for some of the action. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted June 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 4, 2023 On 31/05/2023 at 10:59 AM, Taikomochi said: My hot take is the complete Jungle Chase is the best extended setpiece Williams wrote for any of these. Incredible, incredible action scoring, thrilling in its complexity. Definitely - there's a moment in the beginning (of the full cue) where there's this building momentum and then this declaratory statement of the Indy theme comes swinging in and it always leaves me awestruck how he shifts between all these dramatic modes going from complexity to complexity. Gabriel Bezerra, Cerebral Cortex, Taikomochi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 On 03/06/2023 at 9:48 PM, Arpy said: Definitely - there's a moment in the beginning (of the full cue) where there's this building momentum and then this declaratory statement of the Indy theme comes swinging in and it always leaves me awestruck how he shifts between all these dramatic modes going from complexity to complexity. A or B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,531 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 On 20/05/2023 at 12:38 AM, Edmilson said: On 19/05/2023 at 11:13 PM, Jay said: Isn't that what @Holko already did here? I disagree with some of his conclusions. Sorry but what conclusions? Do you disagree that Eat Slugs is a badly looped copypaste of Norwegian Ridgeback? Do you disagree that some HP1 theme renditions are new in it and aren't found in HP1? Do you disagree on how percentages have to be calculated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 12 hours ago, Holko said: Sorry but what conclusions? Do you disagree that Eat Slugs is a badly looped copypaste of Norwegian Ridgeback? Do you disagree that some HP1 theme renditions are new in it and aren't found in HP1? Do you disagree on how percentages have to be calculated? Don't worry, it's just different methodologies. I'll just try to categorize the CoS cues into whether I think they're just Ross adapting older HPPS material or actual cues that JW wrote. They'll be just educated guesses, of course. And I'll use your analysis as a starting point. Still, it'll take a long time before I actually sit down to do this. My limited time is incredibly restrict, and right now I'd rather spend it elsewhere than doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted June 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2023 On 20/05/2023 at 10:48 AM, Tom said: Probably tall enough too to be let in. A nice review with a score shoutout: John Williams is nearly as pivotal to the franchise as Harrison Ford and contributes another rambunctious, busy score. There are several new melodies alongside returning favorites and the music has been mixed in at an appreciable level of volume so that it is not drowned by the sound effects. https://screenanarchy.com/2023/05/cannes-review-indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-indys-final-adventure.html This is my review! Sorry folks I was monstrously busy, I am back now and will try to go through the thread and respond to posts directed at me. (Unsolicited TMI: I was travelling after Cannes and then moving to a new house and then catching up on my day job). Pieter Boelen, crumbs, Tom and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,672 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 hour ago, TheUlyssesian said: This is my review! Sorry folks I was monstrously busy, I am back now and will try to go through the thread and respond to posts directed at me. (Unsolicited TMI: I was travelling after Cannes and then moving to a new house and then catching up on my day job). Well, here is new one directed at you. Do we get a theme for ancient Syracuse? TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 3 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: This is my review! Sorry folks I was monstrously busy, I am back now and will try to go through the thread and respond to posts directed at me. Without spoilers, was there a section of the film where the score impressed the most? Was there anything that screamed "I hope that's on the OST!" ? Thinking back on his recent scores, Holdo's Resolve and The Spark were immediately recognisable from the first viewing of TLJ, while Rey's Training was one of the few cues in TROS that stood out. I don't remember much from KOCS standing out on first viewing, maybe except the Jungle Chase. TheUlyssesian and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, crumbs said: I don't remember much from KOCS standing out on first viewing, maybe except the Jungle Chase. Not even the Mushroom Cloud? Henry Jones theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 10 hours ago, Tom said: Well, here is new one directed at you. Do we get a theme for ancient Syracuse? Related Spoiler Does the music stand out at all when they go back in time? Just wondering if it's fairly standard chaos or if JW took the period setting and ran with it at all. And I also understand Indy has a dramatic beat toward the end where he wants to stay, is the music doing anything emotionally as the climax builds? Just wondering since you did seem to appreciate the big swing of this sequence in your review, if there's anything musically in here that stood out to you, either in craziness or simply bringing gravitas or whatever. I of course assume he ultimately sticks the landing in the final 1969 scenes into credits because how could he not? TheUlyssesian and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 30 minutes ago, A Farewell to Kings said: Not even the Mushroom Cloud? Henry Jones theme? Yeah the references to older themes stood out the most, IIRC. Can't remember anything more specific except the score not leaving much of an impression overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 The main thing I remember wanting to hear again was Mutt's theme during the jungle chase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 17 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: The main thing I remember wanting to hear again was Mutt's theme during the jungle chase. Innit on the album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 On 30/05/2023 at 11:20 PM, Brando said: KOTCS’s score is so so good. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I have a feeling that when it gets remastered and expanded, more people on here will come to appreciate it. The recording session leak is awesome, but when we have about the same thing C&C, and in better quality, there’ll be more fans. doesn't fix the more anemic perfomance (but there's a distinction to be made there, of course) Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,319 Posted June 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2023 22 minutes ago, Brónach said: doesn't fix the more anemic perfomance (but there's a distinction to be made there, of course) I'd love to hear KOCS performed by the same orchestra who performed Temple of Doom. And I'd love to hear Last Crusade recorded by Bruce Botnick! Martinland, Brando and Brónach 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brónach 1,302 Posted June 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2023 18 minutes ago, crumbs said: I'd love to hear KOCS performed by the same orchestra who performed Temple of Doom. yes, but they're all dead! Brando, Cerebral Cortex, Jilal and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Here's a comment from someone on Facebook who has seen a press screening. He's not favourable about the movie, but: I have no clue what "a disorienting John Williams score" would even mean... Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 407 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Pieter Boelen said: I have no clue what "a disorienting John Williams score" would even mean... I have. Bounty95 and Pieter Boelen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taikomochi 1,136 Posted June 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2023 I take that as code for “I don’t really know what Williams sounds like outside of his 70’s-80’s hits, least of all how his sound has changed over time, so it was disorienting and different to me.” TheUlyssesian, Bellosh, Not Mr. Big and 7 others 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brando 1,864 Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 I take it as "The Imperial March is the best Star Wars song". I laughed at his comment, Pieter. MikeH, Manakin Skywalker, Bellosh and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,672 Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 On 12/06/2023 at 3:27 PM, Pieter Boelen said: Here's a comment from someone on Facebook who has seen a press screening. He's not favourable about the movie, but: I have no clue what "a disorienting John Williams score" would even mean... Dude ain't use to woodwinds in a feature score. enderdrag64, Pieter Boelen, Courtney Sees Ghosts and 8 others 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 Is it harsh? Yes. Am I glad I made it? Also yes. Edmilson, Brando, Gabriel Bezerra and 13 others 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,319 Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 "What are those strange sounding things? The things that sound like musical instruments? How disorienting!" Cerebral Cortex, Not Mr. Big, Edmilson and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 407 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 17 hours ago, Taikomochi said: I take that as code for “I don’t really know what Williams sounds like outside of his 70’s-80’s hits, least of all how his sound has changed over time, so it was disorienting and different to me.” I take that as code for John Williams delving deeper into his habit of scoring to too many sync points, leaving the coherence of his action music even farther at the wayside. An estimated 0.1% of the audience of this film follows film composers' sound "changing over time". Bounty95, Bellosh, Taikomochi and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,359 Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, TolkienSS said: I take that as code for John Williams delving deeper into his habit of scoring to too many sync points, leaving the coherence of his action music even farther at the wayside. An estimated 0.1% of the audience of this film follows film composers' sound "changing over time". An estimated 0.05% of the audience of this film follows "Williams scoring to too many sync points, leaving the coherence of his action music falling by the wayside" Edmilson, Remco, Cerebral Cortex and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 On 11/06/2023 at 10:40 PM, Tom said: Well, here is new one directed at you. Do we get a theme for ancient Syracuse? In my first viewing - admittedly in poor conditions - I was not able to notice one. Given the nature of the film, it wouldn't surprise me if there is one. On 12/06/2023 at 12:25 AM, crumbs said: Without spoilers, was there a section of the film where the score impressed the most? Was there anything that screamed "I hope that's on the OST!" ? Thinking back on his recent scores, Holdo's Resolve and The Spark were immediately recognisable from the first viewing of TLJ, while Rey's Training was one of the few cues in TROS that stood out. I don't remember much from KOCS standing out on first viewing, maybe except the Jungle Chase. Honestly, nothing one the level of those things. The first 2 were extremely dramatic moments, so you'd remember the moments themselves and the music would also be ingrained in your mind. Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny doesn't have any comparable dramatic moments. I can't think of a particular musical moment that made me go "I wish that is on the album". Maybe the map transition scene? I remember that making an impression on me. On 12/06/2023 at 12:37 AM, mrbellamy said: Related Hide contents Does the music stand out at all when they go back in time? Just wondering if it's fairly standard chaos or if JW took the period setting and ran with it at all. And I also understand Indy has a dramatic beat toward the end where he wants to stay, is the music doing anything emotionally as the climax builds? Just wondering since you did seem to appreciate the big swing of this sequence in your review, if there's anything musically in here that stood out to you, either in craziness or simply bringing gravitas or whatever. I of course assume he ultimately sticks the landing in the final 1969 scenes into credits because how could he not? Hmm... so the climatic sequence is notable... Spoiler because they go back in time like you said. I think just the narrative surprise of being in 3rd century BC maybe prevented from me from noticing what the music was doing then. I can't seem to remeber if it suddenly turned extremely period. The scene where Indy is making a big decision at the end, kinda ends in a comedic bit from Phoebe. So there is kinda a music build up that suddenly cuts out. I actually for the life of me... can't remember the last shot explicitly. But I do remember the last shot of Crystal Skull - that shows you what good filmmaking will do for you. Mangold isn't on the level of Spielberg obviously. mrbellamy and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 The prologue music isn’t anything special? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,864 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 hour ago, TolkienSS said: John Williams delving deeper into his habit of scoring to too many sync points Isn't....isn't that a good chunk of scoring?? Why would he not score to a sync point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, DangerMotif said: The prologue music isn’t anything special? The prolog is 20-25 mins and has two big action sequences and introduces several of the main villainous and MacGuffin themes. And there are already some big major statements of Indy's theme. Brando, Courtney Sees Ghosts, LB Makes Stuff and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Was the Helena version over the end credits the Anne Sophie Mutter version? TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, DangerMotif said: Was the Helena version over the end credits the Anne Sophie Mutter version? I could be (and am likely wrong) but it seemed to be similar to the concert version that debuted earlier. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Would you say you prefer this scoring effort (as presented in the film, of course) over KOTCS? Or about the same? Thanks for answering all these questions and sharing your thoughts, by the way. TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: I could be (and am likely wrong) but it seemed to be similar to the concert version that debuted earlier. Thank you, how would you compare these to the star wars sequel scores? TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bellosh 3,419 Posted June 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2023 @TheUlyssesian how about any warm and reflective moments of the raiders march, akin to Indy's Home cue from raiders and when Indy hops out of the window at university in TLC. Always felt KOTCS missed an opportunity with those bits. also relevant to this and my post: Muad'Dib, Benhip, LB Makes Stuff and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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