bigjimwilson 256 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 20 minutes ago, Jay said: I got the 4K UHD release for Christmas! It's nice to legally own this isolated score. Now to buy a 4K UHD disc player so I can watch the film with this track I think I'm going to be putting myself in the same boat. Maybe this is the year I finally get round to buying the 4K player.... but I bet I buy the discs first Hope you had a good Christmas Jay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 It was pretty good, thank you! How about you? bigjimwilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjimwilson 256 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 11 minutes ago, Jay said: It was pretty good, thank you! How about you? Super busy with gigs and work, so a bit "blink and you miss it" but all very lovely. And we got a beautiful new puppy shaped addition to the family So I'm working round the clock to keep those tiny gnashers away from the precious music collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 You must post puppy pics in the pet thread! bigjimwilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 340 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 After listening to it a few times I start to like even the first 1944 part which contains lots of great action music. I am especially happy that it splits the New York 1969 track, so I can order the end credit tracks in reverse order which I prefer musically and narratively (Nazis->Helena->Indy is back!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 The end credits of the film contain a bit of tracked material (after OST 2:29) and then the ost track (minus the helena opening) is the true recording? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,369 Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 I think I've got a handle on all (?) the tracking in the final film - so going beyond the obvious "Helena's Tutorial" and "Voller's Interview" tracking in the early New York scenes that was mentioned forever ago. First - has it been pointed out the end of Eels is replaced by Centipedes, and the opening of Centipedes is replaced by Eels? 1:21:39-1:23:30 (1:51) is supposed to be Eels, however: 1:22:47-1:23:30 (0:43) is tracked from Centipedes - compare to 1:46:31-1:47:18 Then 1:45:021:48:19 (3:16) is supposed to be Centipedes, however: 1:45:02-1:45:14 (0:12) is tracked from Eels - compare to 1:22:07-1:22:17 Second - In Teddy Is Kidnapped, which runs from 1:39:04-1:41:56 (2:52), two portions are other things: 1:39:41-1:39:55 (0:14) is tracked from To The Airport - compare to 1:55:17-1:55:27 / 1:55:52-1:55:57 1:40:20-1:40:54 (0:34) is the wild recording Helena In Action, chopped up a bit (the complete cue is in OST track "Tuk Tuk In Tangiers" from 2:28-end) Third, I don't think anybody has pointed out that after Helena gets on board the plane and her theme plays as the landing gear door closes behind her, almost all of the music in the next almost 4 minutes (2:02:24-2:06:12) of screen time is tracked music? 2:02:24-2:02:59 (0:35) this is tracked in from Water Ballet - compare to 1:24:38-1:25:03 2:02:59-2:03:08 (0:09) brief section of no music 2:03:08-2:03:36 (0:28) this is tracked in from Melting Wax - compare to 1:34:49-1:35:03 2:03:36 -2:03:47 (0:11) this is tracked in from Centipedes, I believe 2:03:47-2:04:09 (0:22) this is tracked in from Water Ballet, I believe 2:04:09-2:04:38 (0:29) this is tracked in from Helena’s Tutorial - compare to 1:32:52-1:33:18 2:04:38-2:05:18 (0:40) this is Through The Portal, the only music in this entire section that was meant to be here! 2:05:18-2:05:32 (0:14) brief section of no music 2:05:32-2:05:44 (0:12) this is tracked in from Ancient Syracuse - compare to 2:09:23-2:09:29 2:05:44-2:06:12 (0:28) this is tracked in from Water Ballet - compare to 1:25:48-1:26:12 Finally, Ancient Syracuse should run from 2:06:43-2:11:56 (4:53), but two sections are replaced by tracked music: 2:10:22-2:10:39 (0:17) is tracked from Through The Portal - compare to 2:04:38-2:05:18 2:10:51-2:10:58 (0:07) is tracked in from Confrontation At The Tomb - compare to 1:54:30-1:54:38 Phew! If anybody has any better timestamps or any other commentary, please let me know! (I think some of this tracked music actually contains music that was cut from the scene it was intended for!) Yavar Moradi, KittBash, enderdrag64 and 10 others 6 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tee_oh 20 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 It's a puzzle for sure, and no small feat to even partially figuring out where all the pieces were originally meant to go. Thanks for putting in the work in helping everyone understand how it was all put together! I wish it wasn't necessary but who knows if we'll ever get a proper official expansion of the maestro's intended vision. For number 6 I think you mean it was tracked in from Polybius Cypher rather than Helena's Tutorial In regards to the Ancient Syracuse section: 2:10:33-2:10:38 has a statement of Indy's theme that I feel like I recognize from another part of the score, but maybe was originally intended to be there and it's the tracked bit of Into the Portal that's making it sound out place lol. 2:10:39-2:10:50 has this sustained string? chord that might belong there but sounds strangely out of place to my ears as well. Could be the same issue with the previous bit though or some kind of looping. Also I noticed one bit of tracking in the middle of Melting Wax you missed, which is 1:36:19-1:36:35 (0:16) is tracked from Archimedes' Tomb - compare to 1:50:23-1:50:39 Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,369 Posted January 16 Popular Post Share Posted January 16 2 hours ago, tee_oh said: For number 6 I think you mean it was tracked in from Polybius Cypher rather than Helena's Tutorial Nope! In the film, 1:29:25-1:30:37 (1:12) = Polybius Cipher 1:30:37-1:33:25 (2:48) = Helena's Tutorial So that means the OST track "Polybius Cypher" does not contain any of the Polybius Cypher cue, it only contains Helena's Tutorial and Escaping The Boat. 2 hours ago, tee_oh said: In regards to the Ancient Syracuse section: 2:10:33-2:10:38 has a statement of Indy's theme that I feel like I recognize from another part of the score, but maybe was originally intended to be there and it's the tracked bit of Into the Portal that's making it sound out place lol. 2:10:39-2:10:50 has this sustained string? chord that might belong there but sounds strangely out of place to my ears as well. Could be the same issue with the previous bit though or some kind of looping. I think that statement of Indy's theme is from Through The Portal, just not part of the 40 seconds that remained in the earlier scene. And yes that sustain sounds mucked with, but I think its from that cue. 2 hours ago, tee_oh said: Also I noticed one bit of tracking in the middle of Melting Wax you missed, which is 1:36:19-1:36:35 (0:16) is tracked from Archimedes' Tomb - compare to 1:50:23-1:50:39 Wow, nice catch! I'll check it out when I get a chance! Brando, tee_oh, crumbs and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tee_oh 20 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 23 hours ago, Jay said: So that means the OST track "Polybius Cypher" does not contain any of the Polybius Cypher cue, it only contains Helena's Tutorial and Escaping The Boat. Ah I see, thanks for the clarification. Aside from all the tracking, more carefully comparing both versions of Helena's Tutorial has made me notice a lot of differences in just this one cue. Helena's tutorial in the OST track seems like either an alternate recording or there's been lots of microediting here and there. Aside from the obvious extra timpani, there are a few sections on the film version that are not in the OST version; 1) 1:31:38 to 1:31:47 (0:09) 2) 1:32:19 to 1:32:24 (0:05) 3) 1:32:38 to 1:32:54 (0:16) 4) 1:33:16 to 1:33:25 (0:09) a section of the OST track that's not in the film version; 1:46 to 1:51 of Polybius Cypher - which would come in at 1:33:11 in the film version as well as a section towards the end which is unique to each version compare 1:33:44 to 1:33:53 of the film version to 2:18 to 2:27 on the OST track (this part of the OST definitely sounds tacked on to me) Just looking at all the differences in this single cue makes me wonder if there's tons more like this in the rest of the score that I hadn't noticed either 0_0 Jay and CGCJ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Interesting! Don't forget you can also compare to when Helena's Tutorial is tracked into the early New York scene - 0:27:00-0:27:40 (0:40) Speaking of those early New York scenes, I think almost all of Voller's first scene there with the room service is tracked from Voller's Interview, and only the final 20 seconds or so is Nazis 0:28:16-0:30:08 (1:52) = Voller's Interview 0:30:08-0:30:30 (0:22) = Nazis And I think that has some unique material compared to what remains in the actual Voller's Interview scene (0:46:36-0:48:17 (1:41)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted January 17 Popular Post Share Posted January 17 I really hate this modern way of film-spotting. The sequels and this film are a complete mess to sort out Jay, igger6, Evanus and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 On 16/01/2024 at 10:13 AM, tee_oh said: Also I noticed one bit of tracking in the middle of Melting Wax you missed, which is 1:36:19-1:36:35 (0:16) is tracked from Archimedes' Tomb - compare to 1:50:23-1:50:39 I finally had time to check this out. Nice catch, you're totally right! And its in the Archimede's Tomb OST track, so its definitely tracked from there into Melting Wax and not the other way around. Crazy how much tracking this film actually has, when we originally thought there wasn't much! tee_oh and enderdrag64 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tee_oh 20 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, Jay said: Crazy how much tracking this film actually has, when we originally thought there wasn't much! Seriously. I think it's because there are so many of these really short passages pasted around here and there, which you would only notice when listening really intently, while having listened to the rest of the score enough to recognize them from other cues. This last one I found was driving me crazy because I was certain I head that passage somewhere else in the score but I couldn't find it for so such a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,369 Posted January 21 Popular Post Share Posted January 21 On 09/01/2024 at 6:33 PM, Luke Skywalker said: The end credits of the film contain a bit of tracked material (after OST 2:29) and then the ost track (minus the helena opening) is the true recording? I do believe that the OST track represents the end credits piece as-recorded, while the extra material in the film version is tracked in, put there by the music editor to extend the run time. And I believe its tracked in from a different version of the opening of "To The Airport" than the film version opening. It's probably the original "To The Airport", since we know the film version opens with "To The Airport (Patch 2)". (We know this, because material from this is tracked into the earlier "Teddy Is Kidnapped" sequence, so the Patch 2 name appears there in the cue list). If you compare the end credits tracked bit to the opening minute or so of the film version of To The Airport, there are a lot of similiarties: in the end credits version, about 8 seconds of racing strings leads into Helena's theme, which gives way to a sort of wondrous moment, before snares lead us to Voller's theme. In the scene itself, there's different racing strings that give way to a different performance of Helena's theme, which leads to timpani instead of snares, and then non-thematic passage instead of Voller's theme. But it has a similar vibe. EDIT: Oh right, and GEMA indicated it was part of the end credits all along! Yavar Moradi, CGCJ and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 I have to re-do my itunes files then 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 So I'm re-examing the OST album as I compare to the isolated score. Am I nuts or are there 2 parts of the OST "Germany, 1944" track that are not in the film? 0:00-0:06 (0:06) = Not in film? 0:06-2:19 (2:13) ≈ iso score 6:25-8:52 (2:27) - Indy Driver 2:19-2:33 (0:14) ≈ iso score 9:39-9:49 (0:10) - Indy Driver 2:33-3:00 (0:27) ≈ iso score 12:13-12:42 (0:29) - It's A Fake 3:00-3:22 (0:22) ≈ iso score 13:36-14:00 (0:24) - It's A Fake 3:22-3:41 (0:19) ≈ iso score 17:11-17:40 (0:29) - Combat Train-ing 3:41-3:48 (0:07) = Not in film? 3:48-end (0:55) ≈ iso score 20:48-21:46 (0:58) - Jump Can anyone identify the two parts I could not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,369 Posted January 22 Popular Post Share Posted January 22 OK I've gone through the entire film and identified everything now, and even noted down timestamps that include miliseconds you can use to identify everything Start End Length Cue 1 00:00:45.546 00:03:30.749 2:45 American Spy 2 00:03:36.297 00:03:55.440 0:19 American Spy {Continued} 3 00:03:58.209 00:04:25.446 0:27 Bombs Away! 4 00:04:25.446 00:05:20.312 0:55 Bombs Away! {Continued} 5 00:05:42.062 00:08:54.394 3:12 Indy Driver 6 00:09:38.019 00:09:49.147 0:11 Indy Driver {Continued} 7 00:09:49.147 00:13:58.975 4:10 It's A Fake 8 00:13:58.975 00:16:20.899 2:22 Indy Rescues Baz 9 00:16:48.100 00:19:35.706 2:48 Combat Train-ing 10 00:19:35.706 00:21:47.866 2:12 Jump 11 00:27:00.048 00:27:39.320 0:39 [TRACKED] Helena's Tutorial 12 00:28:15.133 00:30:07.211 1:52 [TRACKED] Voller's Interview 13 00:30:07.211 00:30:28.528 0:21 [WILD] Nazis 14 00:32:38.048 00:33:09.324 0:31 I'm Not Selling This, Am I? 15 00:33:09.324 00:37:55.386 4:46 The Archives 16 00:37:55.386 00:40:45.800 2:50 Helena Runs 17 00:43:02.027 00:45:31.271 2:29 Pulse Of The City 18 00:46:35.168 00:48:17.750 1:43 Voller's Interview 19 00:48:17.750 00:49:11.480 0:54 Sallah To The Rescue 20 00:50:36.642 00:52:03.599 1:27 Departures 21 00:52:40.641 00:53:44.616 1:04 It Must Be Destroyed 22 00:53:44.616 00:54:45.183 1:01 To Morocco Again 23 00:56:52.260 00:58:20.268 1:28 Indy Recognizes Professor Schmidt 24 00:58:20.268 00:58:44.861 0:25 Doing Helena's Bidding 25 00:58:44.861 01:00:09.494 1:25 Rossini's Menu 26 01:00:26.661 01:01:31.711 1:05 Rahim Arrives 27 01:01:31.711 01:02:04.321 0:33 You Don't Need Me? 28 01:02:04.321 01:03:49.838 1:46 Streets Of Morocco 29 01:03:54.519 01:08:16.575 4:22 Tuk Tuk Chase 30 01:09:37.906 01:10:59.945 1:22 Airplane Mutiny 31 01:13:12.050 01:14:39.576 1:28 To Athens 32 01:15:11.235 01:16:22.196 1:11 Sunken Ship 33 01:19:26.994 01:20:18.192 0:51 Indy's Regret 34 01:21:39.081 01:22:46.543 1:07 Eels 35 01:22:46.543 01:23:28.220 0:42 [TRACKED] Centipedes 36 01:23:39.751 01:28:37.461 4:58 Water Ballet 37 01:29:24.968 01:30:36.524 1:12 Polybius Cipher 38 01:30:36.524 01:33:25.295 2:49 Helena's Tutorial 39 01:33:25.295 01:34:07.331 0:42 Escaping the Boat 40 01:34:49.198 01:36:19.348 1:30 Melting Wax 41 01:36:19.348 01:36:35.260 0:16 [TRACKED] Archimedes' Tomb 42 01:36:35.260 01:37:18.562 0:43 Melting Wax {Continued} 43 01:39:03.444 01:39:40.383 0:37 Teddy Is Kidnapped 44 01:39:40.383 01:39:54.756 0:14 [TRACKED] To The Airport 45 01:39:54.756 01:40:19.523 0:25 Teddy Is Kidnapped {Continued} 46 01:40:19.523 01:40:53.349 0:34 [WILD] Helena In Action 47 01:40:53.349 01:41:55.358 1:02 Teddy Is Kidnapped {Continued} 48 01:42:17.904 01:43:07.480 0:50 The Crescent 49 01:43:18.681 01:44:27.352 1:09 The Crescent {Continued} 50 01:45:02.178 01:45:14.014 0:12 [TRACKED] Eels 51 01:45:14.014 01:48:18.369 3:04 Centipedes 52 01:48:18.369 01:49:44.231 1:26 Handcuffed 53 01:49:50.236 01:52:27.339 2:37 Archimedes' Tomb 54 01:52:27.339 01:55:07.686 2:40 Confrontation At The Tomb 55 01:55:07.686 01:56:37.322 1:30 To The Airport 56 01:56:37.322 01:58:19.925 1:43 To The Airport Part 2 57 01:58:19.925 02:02:23.931 4:04 Airport Nazis 58 02:02:23.931 02:02:59.486 0:36 [TRACKED] Water Ballet 59 02:03:08.144 02:04:38.263 1:30 [TRACKED] Melting Wax,Centipedes,Water Ballet,Helena's Tutorial 60 02:04:38.263 02:05:17.953 0:40 Through The Portal 61 02:05:32.378 02:06:11.570 0:39 [TRACKED] Ancient Syracuse,Water Ballet 62 02:06:11.570 02:06:42.033 0:30 Planes In Trouble 63 02:06:42.033 02:09:45.853 3:04 Ancient Syracuse 64 02:10:07.981 02:10:22.183 0:14 Ancient Syracuse {Continued} 65 02:10:22.183 02:10:57.526 0:35 [TRACKED] Through The Portal,Ancient Syracuse,Confrontation At The Tomb 66 02:10:57.526 02:11:55.492 0:58 Ancient Syracuse {Continued} 67 02:11:55.492 02:17:40.520 5:45 Centuries Join Hands 68 02:19:23.330 02:20:15.427 0:52 For Who... Whom? 69 02:21:57.172 02:23:23.181 1:26 Finale 70 02:23:23.181 02:25:19.382 1:56 Raiders March 71 02:25:19.382 02:28:44.005 3:25 Helena's Theme 72 02:28:44.005 02:29:18.309 0:34 [WILD] Nazis 73 02:29:18.309 02:30:06.144 0:48 End Credit Part 3 74 02:30:06.144 02:30:55.348 0:49 [TRACKED] To The Airport 75 02:30:55.348 02:34:19.563 3:24 End Credit Part 3 {Continued} Updated the Google Doc as well https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gLWlWGQDU2sjQtm83qAu9pgDTlEMSH7smeWw5zZwqHs/ And if anybody uses command line ffmpeg this will split the iso score into correctly named tracks for you Spoiler .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:00:45.546 -to 00:03:30.749 "01 American Spy.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:03:36.297 -to 00:03:55.440 "02 American Spy {Continued}.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:03:58.209 -to 00:04:25.446 "03 Bombs Away!.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:04:25.446 -to 00:05:20.312 "04 Bombs Away! {Continued}.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:05:42.062 -to 00:08:54.394 "05 Indy Driver.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:09:38.019 -to 00:09:49.147 "06 Indy Driver {Continued}.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:09:49.147 -to 00:13:58.975 "07 It's A Fake.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:13:58.975 -to 00:16:20.899 "08 Indy Rescues Baz.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:16:48.100 -to 00:19:35.706 "09 Combat Train-ing.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:19:35.706 -to 00:21:47.866 "10 Jump.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:27:00.048 -to 00:27:39.320 "11 [TRACKED] Helena's Tutorial.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:28:15.133 -to 00:30:07.211 "12 [TRACKED] Voller's Interview.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:30:07.211 -to 00:30:28.528 "13 [WILD] Nazis.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:32:38.048 -to 00:33:09.324 "14 I'm Not Selling This, Am I.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:33:09.324 -to 00:37:55.386 "15 The Archives.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:37:55.386 -to 00:40:45.800 "16 Helena Runs.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:43:02.027 -to 00:45:31.271 "17 Pulse of the City.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:46:35.168 -to 00:48:17.750 "18 Voller's Interview.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:48:17.750 -to 00:49:11.480 "19 Sallah to the Rescue.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:50:36.642 -to 00:52:03.599 "20 Departures.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:52:40.641 -to 00:53:44.616 "21 It Must Be Destroyed.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:53:44.616 -to 00:54:45.183 "22 To Morocco Again.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:56:52.260 -to 00:58:20.268 "23 Indy Recognizes Professor Schmidt.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:58:20.268 -to 00:58:44.861 "24 Doing Helena's Bidding.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 00:58:44.861 -to 01:00:09.494 "25 Rossini's Menu.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:00:26.661 -to 01:01:31.711 "26 Rahim Arrives.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:01:31.711 -to 01:02:04.321 "27 You Don't Need Me.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:02:04.321 -to 01:03:49.838 "28 Streets of Morocco.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:03:54.519 -to 01:08:16.575 "29 Tuk Tuk Chase.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:09:37.906 -to 01:10:59.945 "30 Airplane Mutiny.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:13:12.050 -to 01:14:39.576 "31 To Athens.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:15:11.235 -to 01:16:22.196 "32 Sunken Ship.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:19:26.994 -to 01:20:18.192 "33 Indy's Regret.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:21:39.081 -to 01:22:46.543 "34 Eels.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:22:46.543 -to 01:23:28.220 "35 [TRACKED] Centipedes.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:23:39.751 -to 01:28:37.461 "36 Water Ballet.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:29:24.968 -to 01:30:36.524 "37 Polybius Cipher.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:30:36.524 -to 01:33:25.295 "38 Helena's Tutorial.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:33:25.295 -to 01:34:07.331 "39 Escaping the Boat.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:34:49.198 -to 01:36:19.348 "40 Melting Wax.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:36:19.348 -to 01:36:35.260 "41 [TRACKED] Archimedes' Tomb.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:36:35.260 -to 01:37:18.562 "42 Melting Wax {Continued}.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:39:03.444 -to 01:39:40.383 "43 Teddy Is Kidnapped.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:39:40.383 -to 01:39:54.756 "44 [TRACKED] To The Airport.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:39:54.756 -to 01:40:19.523 "45 Teddy Is Kidnapped {Continued}.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:40:19.523 -to 01:40:53.349 "46 [WILD] Helena In Action.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:40:53.349 -to 01:41:55.358 "47 Teddy Is Kidnapped {Continued}.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:42:17.904 -to 01:43:07.480 "48 The Crescent.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:43:18.681 -to 01:44:27.352 "49 The Crescent {Continued}.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:45:02.178 -to 01:45:14.014 "50 [TRACKED] Eels.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:45:14.014 -to 01:48:18.369 "51 Centipedes.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 01:48:18.369 -to 01:49:44.231 "52 Handcuffed.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav 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Whom.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 02:21:57.172 -to 02:23:23.181 "69 Finale.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 02:23:23.181 -to 02:25:19.382 "70 Raiders March.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 02:25:19.382 -to 02:28:44.005 "71 Helena's Theme.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 02:28:44.005 -to 02:29:18.309 "72 [WILD] Nazis.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 02:29:18.309 -to 02:30:06.144 "73 End Credit Part 3.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 02:30:06.144 -to 02:30:55.348 "74 [TRACKED] To The Airport.flac" .\ffmpeg -i Indy5.wav -ss 02:30:55.348 -to 02:34:19.563 "75 End Credit Part 3 {Continued}.flac" Chewy, Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Manakin Skywalker and 14 others 7 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 So that's EIGHT MINUTES of tracked music in the final cut of the film. Much more than anyone realized, I think. I'm mostly curious about how Williams originally scored the Through The Portal / Planes In Trouble sequence, and why Mangold replaced so much of it with tracked music instead of inserts, revisions, or patches like everywhere else. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittBash 282 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 It would, as usual, be very interesting to see the original cue sheets/ session recordings to figure out what was originally written/recorded for this one!? Thanks @Jay for taking all this time to figure this out... I've been waiting to try an edit from the 5.1 channel rip I got off the blu ray but haven't had the time to figure all this out... You sir as usual are coming to the rescue! Now to Adobe Audition to try some of this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 There are some small bits of tracking to create false endings too. I’m reasonably confident the final note of Helena Runs is the end of Battle of Syracuse cut short. The end of Departures is material from Voller’s interview looped. I’m trying to think if I noticed any others. Jay and enderdrag64 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Oh yes, I noticed many fake endings as well, some more obvious than others. And there are also some mixing differences sometimes with tracked appearances compared to main appearances, like the tracked "Water Ballet" and "Helena's Tutorial" just before "Through The Portal" has a repeating drum loop seemingly artificially created by looping one drum performance for the duration of the tracked bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Eight minutes sounds pretty reasonable for a movie as complicated as this? Seems worse perhaps because it's all over the place though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Eight minutes of tracking is relatively restrained in a post-TROS world. enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 13 minutes ago, crumbs said: Eight minutes of tracking is relatively restrained in a post-TROS world. I don't have exact numbers off hand but it might even be less than ROTJ and the three prequels... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Very likely less than AotC and RotS, those had entire unscored sequences later "scored" with tracked music. But RotJ? There's a few instances but surely nowhere near 8 minutes? Unless you count things like chopping up the rancor and sail barge fights. enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I respect a filmmaker who manages to finish their film with minimal or no tracking but I think it represents a far too rosy-tinted view of the process. Probably also a symptom of over-editing at the last minute and just generally fiddling around when it doesn't need it. This score sounds like an extreme example though, with entire sequences created from tracked or re-recorded (so effectively tracked) music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,353 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 11 hours ago, Holko said: Very likely less than AotC and RotS, those had entire unscored sequences later "scored" with tracked music. But RotJ? There's a few instances but surely nowhere near 8 minutes? Unless you count things like chopping up the rancor and sail barge fights. Well you do have: The Droids are Captured Han Solo Returns Emperor Arrives Death of Yoda Brother and Sister Father and Son Emperor Provokes Luke Leia is Wounded Through the Flames... enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Okay but some of those are a few seconds long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,353 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, Holko said: Okay but some of those are a few seconds long True 🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pieter Boelen 740 Posted January 23 Popular Post Share Posted January 23 22 hours ago, crumbs said: Eight minutes of tracking is relatively restrained in a post-TROS world. A post-TRoS world, eh? Now that DOES sound apocalyptic!! A. A. Ron, crumbs and enderdrag64 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Pieter Boelen said: A post-TRoS world, eh? Now that DOES sound apocalyptic!! Well a global pandemic did sweep the globe mere weeks after TROS was released. Coincidence? I'll let you decide... Pieter Boelen, Trope and Gabriel Bezerra 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Another thing I noticed: There's two VERY similar arrangements of Indy's theme near each other in the prologue sequence. The first starts about 16 seconds into Indy Rescues Baz (so runs from 0:14:15.5-0:14:30.4). The second is about 77 seconds into Jump (so runs from 0:20:50.7-0:21:07.2) Spoiler I mean, they are basically identical. And I think they are an existing arrangement from one of the prior Indy scores, but it isn't coming to me exactly where from. Anyway, I don't think it's tracked from Jump into Indy Rescues Baz, I think they just copied some temp track that was the same in both spots and then never changed one of them. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Its the music from Raiders after the submarine arrives to the island (where the ritual takes place) when indy infiltrates the base and fights a soldier and steals his uniform. enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 That's it! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,864 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Wait so we think they tracked some music straight from Raiders or they re-recorded it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB Makes Stuff 240 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 It’s re-recorded 100%, the bassoons sound different compared to the DoD version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I'm not sure what part of what post led you to think that old recordings appeared somewhere All the score heard in the Dial of Destiny film is recorded for it; no recordings from any prior movies are dropped in anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 1,864 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I misread your post at the very end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Ah that makes sense. Yeah I meant that they used the same old sheet music in those two places (as a starting point) to match the temp track Just found it funny that nobody thought to change one of them, to not have the same music twice in the film 5 minutes apart Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Its weird, yes, it feels tracked that way. i also think they use the same belly of the steel beast-in the tank segment twice too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Yes they use the start of Belly (10M2 All Tanked Up) twice, but at least the second time it transitions to some On The Tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Archive Collection 214 Posted February 6 Popular Post Share Posted February 6 On 22/01/2024 at 3:12 PM, Jay said: Updated the Google Doc as well https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gLWlWGQDU2sjQtm83qAu9pgDTlEMSH7smeWw5zZwqHs/ Amazing work, as always. One thing to add - I believe we have the cue title for "Helena’s Theme (For Violin And Orchestra)". It's "Helena's Theme (For Anne Sophie Mutter)", as seen at the start of this music video! Brando, BrotherSound, CGCJ and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Oh great, thank you! Archive Collection 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 I’m curious. For Who…Whom is pitch-shifted when comparing the soundtrack album and the film. Which version is as-recorded and therefore is the correct pitch? If it is the film that is correct, why is the pitch different on the album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 The film is correct as recorded. The album version is pitch-shifted to make it sound better when cross-faded with the Finale cue. You can see this visualized here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 That’s interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archive Collection 214 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Another cue title/number revealed! 10M8 "Helena's Theme Rev" Source: JKMS Instagram post. BrotherSound and enderdrag64 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tranders65 65 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Okay, I’m late to the game paying actual focused attention to some of the isolated score. Just happened to check my streaming version today and see if it was showing up on there, which it now is, so started watching the prologue. I know about the other cribbing from previous Indy scores and some Minority Report and Star Wars lifts that found their way into the score, but hadn’t noticed some of 1941 in there until today, lol. Did anyone else catch that or did I miss it on another page? In the “It’s A Fake” cue from around ::33-1:17. Compare it to Sub Commander from around :11-1:06 on the expanded 1941 LalaLand release. 😂 Sorry if anyone else already caught that and I missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Yes, people mentioned hearing this 1941 lift when the film was in theaters. Surprisingly, there is no organized list of all these little repurposed bits yet, so specific timestamps for anything like this are welcome! tranders65 and Molly Weasley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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