Disney Emporium releases Indiana Jones: The Complete CD Collection (Expected ship date is March 27, 2024.) No new expansions - Includes the previous Concord Records programmes plus KotCS and DoD OSTs

[Faleel 5,354]

Nvm

[JTN 2,030]

1 hour ago, Bellosh said:

I'm more worried about a multi billion company not knowing how or willing to not want to properly expand a release on the level of the smaller studios.

The latter. They just don't care. Period.

1 hour ago, BB-8 said:

A CD box for JW newbies should definitely remain affordable!

As should the DoD on CD be available worldwide for fans of JW, new and old. 

1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said:

But do they have a CD player?

Sold it to buy The Legend of John Williams Set.

[Edmilson 7,466]

1 hour ago, Bellosh said:

If each release here was missing whatever in the hell we're missing from the Concord Raiders (I honestly couldn't tell you at the moment)....I doubt most of us here would be as bummed out by this, but still probably a bit bummed.

 

But there's simply way too much music missing from the other 4 scores.

Does anyone have a table, spreadsheet or something that is up to date and contains what is missing from the Concord box? I remember reading that there are lots and lots of stuff missing from Temple of Doom, but the other two seem to have mostly all the highlights and important stuff, leaving out like smaller cues or alternates that went unused, etc, right?

[Bellosh 3,419]

TLC is missing a few major cues (to me at least)

 

Sinister Visitors 

Discussing the Grail

Into the Catacombs

Elsa's Betrayal 

The Penitent Man Will Pass

 

Apologies for my wrong cue names and missing others as I'm on mobile today mostly just pumped for BF and hating on Disney.

 

[Naïve Old Fart 9,537]

2 hours ago, JTW said:

Wasn't it Emperor Joseph II?

 

No, it was Jeffrey Jones 

[GerateWohl 4,370]

I am wondering if, apart from the rumors of Disney getting sold to Apple, Disney is planning to open an own music streaming service, where you can listen to exclusive Disney content like the complete remastered Star Wars scores and such. That would explain why they are so hesitant on publishing stuff on CD or are just throwing out stuff that is available anyway. 

[Faleel 5,354]

22 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

TLC is missing a few major cues (to me at least)

 

Sinister Visitors 

Discussing the Grail

Into the Catacombs

Elsa's Betrayal 

The Penitent Man Will Pass

 

Apologies for my wrong cue names and missing others as I'm on mobile today mostly just pumped for BF and hating on Disney.

 

Discussing the Grail is The Holy Grail

 

Into the Catacombs is Beneath the Floors

 

 

[Bellosh 3,419]

Yup

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

5 hours ago, richiestudman said:

and almost none of the expansions have been done by the original labels but by specialist niche labels like LLL and Intrada.

 

How would that make a difference? Not to mention a lot of the older labels don't even exist anymore, or have been absorbed into larger entities.

 

It's funny you guys brought up that Alex guy, I was literally about to ask Richiestudman if his name was Alex right before I saw @crumbs' comment since he was saying the same things on Facebook verbatim! 

 

[Erik Woods 555]

4 hours ago, Andy said:

That’s the guy who called me toxic and negative. 

This guy loves to fake cry while watching Indiana Jones trailers and whatnot hoping somehow his videos go viral. But it seemed to work on Lucasfilm because he was invited to the premiere. 
 

 

[Brando 1,864]

5 hours ago, Andy said:

That’s the guy who called me toxic and negative. 

I was going to say! I commented on his post in another group and his reply was like “well I’m a diehard collector and yada yada” and I’m like this thing is vastly incomplete and flawed in several ways. He’s an interesting character.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

And now he's come to spread his toxicity to JWFan (where before now there was absolutely no toxicity whatsoever, it was completely friendly and everybody loved, respected and agreed with one another)!

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

4 hours ago, The Lost Folio said:

I prefer to buy the John Mauceri 16-cd box that's coming out tomorrow for cheaper than that.

 

16 CDs? I thought it was going to be nine.

 

4 hours ago, JTW said:

Wasn't it Emperor Joseph II?

 

Wasn't he the one with the dead composers joke? 

[Brando 1,864]

8 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

And now he's come to spread his toxicity to JWFan (where before now there was absolutely no toxicity whatsoever, it was completely friendly and everybody loved, respected and agreed with one another)!

Maybe this thread should be renamed to the Indiana Jones Disenchantment Thread 

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

4 hours ago, JTW said:

But they are not expanding them.

 

They're expanding their wallets at the expense of ours.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

26 minutes ago, Brando said:

I was going to say! I commented on his post in another group and his reply was like “well I’m a diehard collector and yada yada” and I’m like this thing is vastly incomplete and flawed in several ways. He’s an interesting character.

 

It's funny that this guy's personality is so specific that we were able to link a new member's profile to a random Facebook account in under 2 hours. Don't ever underestimate the investigative skills of the J-Team!

 

[Edmilson 7,466]

The next mission for the J-Team should be making William Ross reveal which cues from Chamber of Secrets and DoD he actually wrote 

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

9 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

a new member's

 

Who? richiestudman?

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Who? richiestudman?

 

[HanFiredFirst 37]

1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

Who? richiestudman?

Nope, it’s not me. I know who the Facebook guy is though. 

1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

Sorry, it’s not me. I only came on here to give an opinion, things escalated quickly as some people got offended.

[Mr. Hooper 1,792]

@richiestudman I had the feeling you were a shill for Disney until you finally said something negative about the set—that it wasn't good value for money. But you still seem to be here on a specific mission to say this release isn't all bad. I'll be surprised if you stick around after interest in this thread fades...

 

10 minutes ago, richiestudman said:

I only came on here to give an opinion, things escalated quickly as some people got offended.

Aha. Okay.

[HanFiredFirst 37]

Just now, Mr. Hooper said:

@richiestudman I had the feeling you were a shill for Disney until you finally said something negative about the set—that it wasn't good value for money. But you still seem to be here on a specific mission to say this release isn't all bad. I'll be surprised if you stick around after interest in this thread fades...

But I’ve been made to feel so welcome! It appears that voicing an opinion other than bashing Disney is frowned upon, and I’m being accused of being the awful Alex from Facebook, which is just odd.

[Bellosh 3,419]

3 minutes ago, richiestudman said:

But I’ve been made to feel so welcome! It appears that voicing an opinion other than bashing Disney is frowned upon, and I’m being accused of being the awful Alex from Facebook, which is just odd.

 

Look...if you genuinely don't know or care that these are missing a good amount of music....then fine....that's ultimately an opinion we can't change.

 

But this is not the correct website to be telling folks to simply get over it. This isn't some mom and pop shop trying their best.  It's a horrible release by a company that has all the means to produce it well.  We expect better.

[Mr. Hooper 1,792]

Well, we sometimes get passionate, and arguments break out. As long as it doesn't end in fisticuffs...

 

For what it's worth, welcome to JWFAN. 

 

[HanFiredFirst 37]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Hooper said:

Well, we sometimes get passionate, and arguments break out. As long as it doesn't end in fisticuffs...

 

For what it's worth, welcome to JWFAN. 

 

Thank you - guess I’m more used to Intrada on FB where things tend to be more … genteel! Been collecting soundtracks for 30 years, not encountered such hostility just for voicing a dissenting opinion.

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

We’re many things here at JWFan, but we’ve never been accused of being “genteel.”

[ciarlese 251]

In the meantime, can you confirm the 5CD box can be ordered while the DoD CD cannot?

🫣

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

28 minutes ago, richiestudman said:

I’ve been made to feel so welcome! It appears that voicing an opinion other than bashing Disney is frowned upon, and I’m being accused of being the awful Alex from Facebook, which is just odd.

 

Anyway, welcome! 

[HanFiredFirst 37]

26 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

Anyway, welcome! 

Thank you! 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

46 minutes ago, richiestudman said:

Thank you - guess I’m more used to Intrada on FB where things tend to be more … genteel! Been collecting soundtracks for 30 years, not encountered such hostility just for voicing a dissenting opinion.

 

Well you see, we're more like the Cantina from Star Wars around these here parts. 

 

Despite the disagreements we might have, welcome to the forums, and happy Thanksgiving!

[HanFiredFirst 37]

Just now, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

Well you see, we're more like the Cantina from Star Wars around these here parts. 

 

Despite the disagreements we might have, welcome to the forums, and happy Thanksgiving!

Thank you. My apologies to anyone I offended, my opinion wasn’t meant to upset anyone. Still shuddering slightly that you thought I was Alex!

A happy Thanksgiving to all those who observe it.

[ajc384 144]

6 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

Just waiting for JWFans to find out Disney trimmed two minutes at the end of each CD.

 

 

...or that - seeing as the DoD CD is out of print - the box set will eventually be released around Christmas '24 with Concord's Indy I-IV and Return of the Jedi...

[Drawgoon 100]

Deja vu?

 

I mean, isn't this situation similar to what Sony did with Titanic a few years back, before LLLR took over a while later and released the full thing?

[ThePenitentMan1 744]

I'm glad this turned out well, discussion-wise!  Before I got to the end I was about to call this thread the sequel to this one.

 

Anyway, aside from the pitch issues with the Concord program, I can share with the uninitiated, the information about what this reissue has vs. what it doesn't have, at least as far as Raiders is concerned.  (Though, as others have said, Raiders is so far the most complete of the five)

 

-On the new reissue:

1m1 - In The Jungle

 

1m2 - The Cave [as "The Idol Temple"; faded out early on the Concord, cuts to The Rolling Ball on the DCC]

 

1m3 - The Rolling Ball (Original) [as "Escape From The Temple"]

 

2m2 - Flight To Freedom [as "Flight From Peru"]

 

3m1 - The Book [as "Washington Men/Indy's Home"; I believe the ostinato ending of this cue was shortened considerably on the Concord; IIRC, the old bootleg has the full ending for this cue, but it's been quite awhile since I last heard the old bootleg version]

 

3m2 - Thinking Of Marion [as "A Thought For Marion"]

3m3 - To Tibet [as "To Nepal"]

 

4m1 - The Medallion

 

4m2 - To Cairo [as "Flight To Cairo"]

 

5m1 - Escape In The Alleys [as "The Basket Game"]

 

5m3 - Poisoned Dates [as the first half of "Bad Dates"]

6m1 - Don't Touch That [as the last half of "Bad Dates"]

 

6m2 - Discovering The Script [as "The Map Room: Dawn"]

 

6m3 - Reunion In The Tent [as "Reunion In The Tent/Searching For The Well"]

 

7m1 - The Floor That Moves [as "The Well Of The Souls"]

 

8m3 - Escaping The Pit (Fix) [as "Indy Rides The Statue"; this was meant to replace the first minute of 8m3 - Escaping The Pit (Original), but the Concord album presents it by itself instead]

 

8m5 - Pffist Fight [as "The Fist Fight/The Flying Wing"]

 

9m1 - Indie In Pursuit [as the first third of "Desert Chase"; all three cues in this track were edited down on the original 1981 album program, and that edit is what the Concord program uses]

9m1A - Truck Chase [as the middle third of "Desert Chase"; edited down, see Indie In Pursuit]

9m1B - Indie's Feats (Album Take) [as the last third of "Desert Chase"; edited down, see Indie In Pursuit]

 

10m4 - En Bateau [as "Marion's Theme/The Crate"]

 

10m5 - The German Sub

 

10m6 - The Nazi Hideout [as "Ride To The Nazi Hideout"]

 

11m1 - Indy Rescues The Ark [as "Indy Follows The Ark"]

 

12m1 - The Miracle Of The Ark

 

End Credits Pt.1 [as "Washington Ending"]

End Credits Pt.2 [as "Raiders March"; unedited, with Marion theme, with coda]

 

 

 

-Off the new reissue (from the film score proper):

8m1 - Uncovering The Ark [Available on the DCC 2-LP album in the second half of "The Well Of Souls", as well as Disc 5 of the old Concord album as "Uncovering The Ark"]

 

8m2 - Marion Into The Pit [Available only on the DCC 2-LP album in the final half-minute of "The Well Of Souls"]

 

9m1 - Indie In Pursuit [uncut] [Available only on the DCC albums as the first third of "Desert Chase"]

9m1A - Truck Chase [uncut] [Available only on the DCC albums as the middle third of "Desert Chase"]

9m1B - Indie's Feats (Film Take) [Available only on the DCC albums as the last third of "Desert Chase"]

 

 

 

-Off the new reissue (additional music):

1m3 - The Rolling Ball (Insert) [Available only on old bootlegs; this insert is used more or less as intended in the film: to replace the opening for 1m3 - The Rolling Ball]

 

8m3 - Escaping The Pit (Fix Alternate) [Available only on old bootlegs; this is used in the film as an extended opening for 8m3 - Escaping The Pit (Fix), it is unknown if this was how it was intended to be used in the film]

 

8m3 - Escaping The Pit (Original) [Available on the old bootlegs as "The Mummy Cave", as well as on a prototype for the original Concord Album as "Indy Rides The Statue"]

 

9m1B - Indie's Feats (Album Take) [uncut] [not available anywhere]

 

The Raiders March [LP Edit, sans Marion theme, sans coda] [Available on the original LP album, as well as Disc 5 of the old Concord album]

 

The Raiders March [1995 DCC "Overture" edit, sans Marion theme, with coda] [Available only on the DCC albums]

 

End Credits [1995 DCC "Concert Version" edit, with Marion theme, sans coda] [Available only on the DCC albums]

 

-----

The cues that have only been made available on bootlegs have never been officially released, and sound much worse than the released material.  The DCC albums have superior dynamic range to the Concord albums, and are also the correct speed/pitch to boot, but the sound quality is limited by 90's mastering technology.

 

There's also a chance that a properly done expansion from the original multitrack recording sessions could uncover cues that we currently know about, but never knew were recorded, such as 2m1 - Belloq or the early version of 6m1 - Don't Touch That.  (I wouldn't hold my breath on that, of course, but it'd be a wonderful surprise should it happen)

[HanFiredFirst 37]

1 hour ago, ThePenitentMan1 said:

I'm glad this turned out well, discussion-wise!  Before I got to the end I was about to call this thread the sequel to this one.

 

 

Things got a little... heated - I hadn't read the room before offering an opinion, and walked into a firestorm!

 

FWIW, I've been bashing Disney for months for the way they've screwed up the DoD pre-orders - I pre-ordered the vinyl and the CD on the same order, which was a mistake: my CD got delayed because the vinyl was out of stock, then the vinyl arrived but nobody at DME had allocated stock of the CD, so I had to wait for the next CD pressing. Many phonecalls and emails trying to get them to release at least part of my order - exhausting.

 

Just to clarify - the track listings you've given above, are those the tracks that will be on the new (never to be mentioned by me again) boxset?  As ever, reading the cues vs title tracks it seems it's the exact same as the Concord box set CD, at least to my old eyes  Though the photos on the DME site look very much like placeholders to me, so I'm not sure whether to trust the listings shown on the box?

[rough cut 1,714]

 

This statement stretches the truth more than a bit, considering the marked tracks were available on CD 15 years ago.

[ThePenitentMan1 744]

Just now, rough cut said:

 

This statement seems like untruthful marketing to me, considering the marked tracks were available on CD 15 years ago.

 

It's a picture of the actual 2008 Concord set, not the new reissue.

[HanFiredFirst 37]

1 minute ago, rough cut said:

 

This statement stretches the truth more than a bit, considering the marked tracks were available on CD 15 years ago.

The image is from the Concord box set, not the newly announced one.

[rough cut 1,714]

Ah thanks! I haven’t looked at that one for said 15 years! 😂

[ThePenitentMan1 744]

3 hours ago, richiestudman said:

Just to clarify - the track listings you've given above, are those the tracks that will be on the new (never to be mentioned by me again) boxset?  As ever, reading the cues vs title tracks it seems it's the exact same as the Concord box set CD, at least to my old eyes  Though the photos on the DME site look very much like placeholders to me, so I'm not sure whether to trust the listings shown on the box?

 

I don't know.  It seems like it'd be awfully counterproductive, not to mention risky, to put the track listing of an older album on the back of a new album's box if said new album has a brand new program.  You'd think they'd want to highlight the new program.  That would be, after all, the whole point of expanded releases like this.

 

And if the track list is corrected on the actual box before release and the product image isn't updated to correctly match the product, even after a few days of fan complaints...  Then somebody over in marketing is probably going to get a serious talking-to from their boss.  (Honestly, if that's actually the case, they'd better. lol)

[HanFiredFirst 37]

1 minute ago, ThePenitentMan1 said:

 

I don't know.  It seems like it'd be awfully counterproductive, not to mention risky, to put the track listing of an older album on the back of a new album's box if said new album has a brand new program.  You'd think they'd want to highlight the new program.  That would be, after all, the whole point of expanded releases like this.

 

And if the track list is corrected on the actual box before release and the product image isn't updated to correctly match the product, even after a few days of fan complaints...  Then somebody over in marketing is probably going to get a serious talking-to from their boss.  (Honestly, if that's actually the case, they'd better. lol)

Ah - wasn't sure if you had some super-secret insider knowledge on the tracks! 

 

The box art looks flaky at best, and those jewel cases are clearly just placeholders as they look like someone's described a jewel case to a designer who has never seen one in real life. Saying that, the steelbook blu ray box is flipping ugly as sin, so who knows if this is as good as the artwork gets.

 

Most likely case is it's just the Concord releases repackaged, but we live in (a new) hope.

[GerateWohl 4,370]

I think, there is too much interpretation on this "complete saga" statement. This is just like the usual BluRay boxes, that are coming out with each new entry in a series collecting the same old editions including the newest entry in a cardboard box. Nothing more, nothing less. Just a loveless overpriced edition of existing stuff.

 

It really appears like some kind of revenge from DME to the fans, who complained over the past month publically about the unworthy handling of the Dial of Destiny OST.

 

Complete just means soundtracks of "all five movies". I find it rather disturbing to call the Indy series a "saga". It isn't a sage. It is not even a coherent story. It are just independent adventures around one character. No saga here.

 

If the Young Indy scores would be included, you might more be able to use the term "saga".

 

By the way, including these four albums in addition actually might have justified the price. 

 

[rough cut 1,714]

This box’ll contain nothing new for those of us who have the 2008 box and/or the stand alone release of DoD.

[ThePenitentMan1 744]

31 minutes ago, richiestudman said:

Ah - wasn't sure if you had some super-secret insider knowledge on the tracks!

 

Ah, nope!  The cue numbers and original cue titles for Raiders (and many, many more JW scores) have been known on this forum (mainly via leaks) for a long time.  I just posted them to help those reading this forum for the first time get up to speed on the deficiencies of the Concord Album.

[Brando 1,864]

10 hours ago, ThePenitentMan1 said:

1m2 - The Cave [as "The Idol Temple"]

This is faded out early on the Concorde. In the film, the last note lasts a bit longer but there’s 2 very quiet instrument taps that one of the musicians probably made on accident and that’s why they faded it out early on this release, but if you have the atmos rip of the film audio, you can hear it.

[King Mark 3,631]

We're still in a less bad spot for Indiana Jones than Star Wars

 

Concorde set has most of the music from the first 3 movies.

Indy 4 leaked sessions

Indy 5 Isolated score (this alone offsets this lazy re-package)

 

So basically it's about getting a few missing cues from ToD and Last Crusade.

 

SW Prequels are the most important by far.

[Stark 316]

“Few” is a strong word, but otherwise I agree.

[bruckhorn 105]

Considering that for Star Wars, we're talking hours of unreleased material, "few" is acceptable to describe the unreleased music from the Indiana Jones films.

 

Disney will surely use the poor sales of the announced Indy set as an excuse to not do any proper complete scores to Indy or Star Wars.

 

We're too small of a niche market for it to care.  Hopefully, Intrada stays on its good side and eventually gets a chance.  How old is Doug?

[Chewy 2,391]

3 minutes ago, bruckhorn said:

 

How old is Doug?

Please not this again...

[Edmilson 7,466]

4 hours ago, bruckhorn said:

How old is Doug?

Well, as far as I know he's still a child...

 

 

Oh wait, you're talking Intrada Doug. In this case, I don't know...