Disney Emporium releases Indiana Jones: The Complete CD Collection (Expected ship date is March 27, 2024.) No new expansions - Includes the previous Concord Records programmes plus KotCS and DoD OSTs

[GerateWohl 4,370]

1 hour ago, Richard Penna said:

I think there's a market for this but it's obviously not us. I'm thinking more casual soundtrack/Indy fans who perhaps just buy the occasional soundtrack and for whom this might be a gift. It's horrendously priced of course, but not every soundtrack fan, especialy newer ones, has the Indy scores.

When I look at contemporary soundtracks I can hardly imagine that new soundtrack fans are interested in such ancient un-modern scores like Indiana Jones. But if they are interested in ancient un-modern media like CDs, they might also be listening to John Williams. Who knows.

 

[Richard Penna 3,694]

I'd emphasise the potential gift nature of it. You're right, a lot of modern music fans don't buy CDs for the most part, but here comes a fancy box set at a premium price. There's going to be someone out there who sees this and thinks of a music fan in their family who might like it.

 

In the grand scheme I agree it's still not a good idea given that these are not long OOP, hard to find albums.

[GerateWohl 4,370]

Maybe moder music fans believe that normal CDs used to cost that much.  

 

Still, this is just selling old existing editions with a cardboard box around it. 50$ would be an appropriate price for that box. People overseas will have to pay probably double the price anyway.

 

But 150$ is just greedy and unethical. Shame on Disney. Really.

[BB-8 3,478]

Forcing myself to think positively, perhaps Disney want to milk the OST-cow one more time so they can then milk the expanded-editions cow to maximize revenue.

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

Sheesh, i would even have a heartbeat hesitation buying an expanded indy set from THE labels for 150€. (but i would buy it )

 

This price for the OSTs is just crazy.

[GerateWohl 4,370]

To be fair, the first three are not the OSTs but the Concord expansions. 

But 150$ would be the price for five remastered double albums including full score plus concert suites and alternates. 

[JTN 2,030]

Okay, we all get it, Ger.

[BB-8 3,478]

32 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

To be fair, the first three are not the OSTs but the Concord expansions. 

But 150$ would be the price for five remastered double albums including full score plus concert suites and alternates. 

Perhaps it'll turn out to be an 11 CD expanded super-deluxe edition, yet it'll be sold out before we really know.

[HanFiredFirst 37]

A lot of people don't have the Concord set, so I'm struggling to see the angst about this box set release.  JW doesn't really do expanded versions of his scores, and what was included with the Concord set (albeit with the bonus disc) is probably as "complete" as it is likely to get.  Should it include the bonus discs that were "exclusive" to the Concord set - a tricky one as they were supposed to only be available with that set....

 

I'm also slightly sceptical that what you see in the photos is what will be released - they look like placeholders to me, so there *may* be more content, they might be jewel cases, they might be card sleeves... Certainly the jewel cases don't look like the finished article, so who knows? 

 

But.. buy it, or don't buy it - nobody is forcing you. I'm just happy to see a physical format release, and have happily pre-ordered it.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,534]

The angst is the price.

$150 for five discs of all previously-released music minus the extra Concord disc.

In 2008, I paid £25 for the Concord box. I thought that it was a decent bargain. This is nothing short of an absolute rip-off.

[HanFiredFirst 37]

As I said - nobody is forcing you to buy it. I don't see a Tesla and think the pricing is unfair - I just don't buy it.

[Bespin 8,483]

@richiestudman The reality is, we anticipated a fresh approach in these expansions—a revision that would have addressed the minor technical issues present in Raiders. Additionally, we were looking forward to a comprehensive program similar to what we have become accustomed to with Specialty Labels. This 2008 expansion feels 'dated' in comparison.

[HanFiredFirst 37]

@Bespin I understand - and agree with - all of that. I'd have loved Intrada to follow-up on their Solo release with a Big Announcement that they were issuing complete releases form the Indy films, and the Star Wars trilogy for that matter, but this release isn't it. And bashing Disney because they have released the box set seems a tad unreasonable - I'm happy to see a physical format release of the CDs for those that missed them in the past, or for those (like me) who are completists and happy to buy it.

[Bellosh 3,419]

27 minutes ago, richiestudman said:

A lot of people don't have the Concord set, so I'm struggling to see the angst about this box set release.  JW doesn't really do expanded versions of his scores, and what was included with the Concord set (albeit with the bonus disc) is probably as "complete" as it is likely to get.  Should it include the bonus discs that were "exclusive" to the Concord set - a tricky one as they were supposed to only be available with that set....

 

I'm also slightly sceptical that what you see in the photos is what will be released - they look like placeholders to me, so there *may* be more content, they might be jewel cases, they might be card sleeves... Certainly the jewel cases don't look like the finished article, so who knows? 

 

But.. buy it, or don't buy it - nobody is forcing you. I'm just happy to see a physical format release, and have happily pre-ordered it.

 

The price is awful. It has nothing to do with being able to afford it either. It's simply overpriced.

 

Also..... if and when this sells poorly....good luck hoping Disney cares to fully expand these after seeing the abysmal sales.

 

This set is for people who missed out on the Concord set or OCD collectors who feel the need to have the 'ultimate' set because it's all 5 movies together.  Both of whom are completely small target audiences.

 

This release is straight up lazy and embarrassing from a multi billion company.

[Edmilson 7,466]

This is how Disney thinks:

• There is a large group of people who like or love the Indiana Jones movies;
• Within that group there's a smaller one of Indiana Jones diehards, who buy memorabilia and products about the series.
• Inside this group of diehards, there's an even smaller one of people who, amongst the IJ memorabilia, buy the John Williams score albums for the movies.
• And, within this tiny group there is an even smaller one of enthusiasts of John Williams IJ music, who know and care about the imperfections on previous releases and want a new edition to rectify those mistakes.

Do you understand now why Disney is not calling Matessino to produce definitive Indiana Jones albums? They don't want to spend the time and their (already dwindling) resources to cater to a tiny group within a tiny group of people. 

[HanFiredFirst 37]

4 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

 

The price is awful. It has nothing to do with being able to afford it either. It's simply overpriced.

 

Also..... if and when this sells poorly....good luck hoping Disney cares to fully expand these after seeing the abysmal sales.

 

This set is for people who missed out on the Concord set or OCD collectors who feel the need to have the 'ultimate' set because it's all 5 movies together.  Both of whom are completely small target audiences.

 

This release is straight up lazy and embarrassing from a multi billion company.

Lots of people didn't, in fact, get the Concord set from 15 years ago.

 

I object to OCD being used as a snarky put down for those who want to have all 5 films together.

 

If you think it's overpriced, that's fine - don't buy it.

 

If it sells poorly - which it won't - then the opposite argument may hold true, that Disney at that stage would be happy to license it out to Intrada to put out an expanded set. 

[Bellosh 3,419]

Just now, richiestudman said:

Lots of people didn't, in fact, get the Concord set from 15 years ago.

 

I object to OCD being used as a snarky put down for those who want to have all 5 films together.

 

If you think it's overpriced, that's fine - don't buy it.

 

If it sells poorly - which it won't - then the opposite argument may hold true, that Disney at that stage would be happy to license it out to Intrada to put out an expanded set. 

 

It will sell poorly.

 

Oh, and I have to double dip for me to have a chance for Disney to fully expand these?

 

Glad you have a chance to buy this, I really am. Like I said, you are the minority in this...

 

But regardless...THIS release is lazy compared to what boutique labels like LLL do.

[Richard Penna 3,694]

6 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

Do you understand now why Disney is not calling Matessino to produce definitive Indiana Jones albums? They don't want to spend the time and their (already dwindling) resources to cater to a tiny group within a tiny group of people. 

 

Absolutely this. The number who are actively aware of mastering, presentational and other issues with expanded score releases is mindbogglingly small.

 

The price is indeed ridiculous, but there's some logic to having this set available. It's just not JWFan collector-friendly logic.

[rough cut 1,714]

6 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

This is how Disney thinks:

• There is a large group of people who like or love the Indiana Jones movies;
• Within that group there's a smaller one of Indiana Jones diehards, who buy memorabilia and products about the series.
• Inside this group of diehards, there's an even smaller one of people who, amongst the IJ memorabilia, buy the John Williams score albums for the movies.
• And, within this tiny group there is an even smaller one of enthusiasts of John Williams IJ music, who know and care about the imperfections on previous releases and want a new edition to rectify those mistakes.

Do you understand now why Disney is not calling Matessino to produce definitive Indiana Jones albums? They don't want to spend the time and their (already dwindling) resources to cater to a tiny group within a tiny group of people. 

I don’t think this is entirely correct.

 

Disney will continue to publish Indiana Jones soundtracks as long as there is interest. Be it limited runs or not.

 

Theres obviously profit to be made from niche groups - otherwise speciality labels wouldn’t exist. But the timing and circumstances has to be correct.

 

First when there is no more profit to be gained from Disney re-publishing and re-packaging “the same old content” will they let a speciality label give it a try.

 

But would be the last push.

 

No need to do that if the public keeps buying whatever Disney publishes. It’s not about dwindling resources - it’s about margin of return. And by keeping it in-house there’s no need to spend that margin on remastering (in house or at third party), when it’s obviously cheaper to bundle existing content and just design a new box.

 

From an economic perspective, it’s good business to maximize profit from what you own without spending money on “redoing” it if it’s all ready “good enough” (from the general consumer’s point of view).

[Jay 37,369]

Is this the longest thread title JWFan has ever had? 

[Holko 9,526]

48 minutes ago, richiestudman said:

A lot of people don't have the Concord set

They can buy the individual discs much cheaper or stream them.

 

 

[Richard Penna 3,694]

I did strike me that seeing 'Disney Emporium releases Indiana Jones: The Complete CD Collection' at the start of the title was prone to invoking temporary heart attacks for some readers. Thankfully I saw it before it was moved to its own thread, and saw all the comments about it not being an actual expansion before I saw the photo/announcement.

[Holko 9,526]

54 minutes ago, richiestudman said:

JW doesn't really do expanded versions of his scores, and what was included with the Concord set (albeit with the bonus disc) is probably as "complete" as it is likely to get

Yeah, the last decade(s) of dozens of proper complete expansions of his scores, many of them redone to improve similar earlier travesties totally didn't happen at all.

[Incanus 5,715]

11 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

I did strike me that seeing 'Disney Emporium releases Indiana Jones: The Complete CD Collection' at the start of the title was prone to invoking temporary heart attacks for some readers. Thankfully I saw it before it was moved to its own thread, and saw all the comments about it not being an actual expansion before I saw the photo/announcement.

Yes the title is so long to avoid the heart attacks among JWFanners. 

 

  

15 minutes ago, Jay said:

Is this the longest thread title JWFan had ever had? 

It had to be Jay. To avoid those heart attacks when Indy or Star Wars is concerned. You have to give away the plot in the thread title. So people know to be disappointed even before reading the actual thread.

[HanFiredFirst 37]

5 minutes ago, Holko said:

They can buy the individual discs much cheaper or stream them.

 

 

Absolutely - the choice is always with the buyer.  As I said, nobody is being forced to buy this box set.

[Holko 9,526]

So you admit this is just a stupid pointless ripoff?

[HanFiredFirst 37]

2 minutes ago, Holko said:

Yeah, the last decade(s) of dozens of proper complete expansions of his scores, many of them redone to improve similar earlier travesties totally didn't happen at all.

And many more scores that haven't been expanded, and almost none of the expansions have been done by the original labels but by specialist niche labels like LLL and Intrada. 

3 minutes ago, Holko said:

So you admit this is just a stupid pointless ripoff?

Nope.

[blondheim 1,157]

I’m thinking this is going to push the timeline back on getting actual complete Indys and that’s the biggest negative for me.

 

I also think that they should have included the original three albums, especially if they weren’t going to include the fifth Concorde disc. It would have helped justify the price point considering how hard to find they are and how cheap the individual Concorde discs are in comparison

[crumbs 14,317]

14 minutes ago, Incanus said:

So people know to be disappointed even before reading the actual thread.

 

This was never in doubt when "Disney" was the first word of the thread topic.

[Holko 9,526]

14 minutes ago, richiestudman said:

And many more scores that haven't been expanded

Yeahy guess what, things take time. It's constantly in progress, approvals are slow from studios, rights bullshit block some scores. Even with that, of the expandable scores, it's not nearly "many more" anymore, it's balanced or more expanded in some form than not.

 

16 minutes ago, richiestudman said:

and almost none of the expansions have been done by the original labels but by specialist niche labels like LLL and Intrada. 

Which has nothing to do with "JW doesn't really do expansions". Zzzing at me doesn't make you not wrong.

[crumbs 14,317]

Maybe I've underestimated the average consumer here. 

 

 

Also, what a stupid and selfish thing to gloat about, considering how hard a time people have had getting just one of these CDs.

 

I really hope LLL can save us today because this whole week has been an absolute kick in the teeth from Disney. Not only is this set insulting as hell, but gaslighting us by marketing it as "complete" makes me want to tear my hair out.

[HanFiredFirst 37]

5 minutes ago, Holko said:

Yeahy guess what, things take time. It's constantly in progress, approvals are slow from studios, rights bullshit block some scores. Even with that, of the expandable scores, it's not nearly "many more" anymore, it's balanced or more expanded in some form than not.

 

Which has nothing to do with "JW doesn't really do expansions". Zzzing at me doesn't make you not wrong.

Okeydoke. Fun chatting with you - think I'll move on from replying to keep things civil, hey?

[Andy 4,138]

1 minute ago, crumbs said:

Maybe I've underestimated the average consumer. 

That’s the guy who called me toxic and negative. 

[Bellosh 3,419]

2 minutes ago, crumbs said:

Maybe I've underestimated the average consumer. 

 

Yeah exactly. OCD collector fanatics. Supporting this release if you didn't genuinely miss out on the Concord set is basically just letting The Mouse have it's way with you.

[Holko 9,526]

5 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

 

Yeah exactly. OCD collector fanatics. Supporting this release if you didn't genuinely miss out on the Concord set is basically just letting The Mouse have it's way with you.

Same if you did. You can still buy them separately or stream them.

[Bellosh 3,419]

Just now, Holko said:

Same if you did. You can still buy them separately or stream them.

 

Oh agreed 

[GerateWohl 4,370]

16 minutes ago, crumbs said:

 

He looks exactly like the kind of guy for whom that release is made.

[crumbs 14,317]

Is it a safe assumption that we're effectively screwed either way now? 

 

If this set tanks, Disney will never invest time or money into proper remasters, much less pay the AFM fees to expand 4 and 5, because they'll assume there's no interest. 

 

If the set sells well, they'll just keep this in print forever, because there's no point spending money to make a superior product if this lazy trash turns an easy profit instead. 

 

I genuinely believe it'll take the personal intervention of Spielberg, Williams or Mangold to get expansions off the ground now. It's plainly obvious Disney do not give a fuck. 

[Marian Schedenig 8,200]

8 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

The more I think about it, the more this feels like a straight-up scam.

 

The use of the word "complete" feels so intentional... they knew that ill-informed people would see that title and just blind buy it.

 

I still believe people here tend to overestimate the intent behind these releases.

 

The people in charge likely know nothing about film music. They probably never thought about how a film contains more music than the accompanying soundtrack album. Maybe they've heard of expanded releases, in which case they might think of the additional tracks as bonus tracks (like on a re-release of a pop/rock album with bonus tracks). If they even stop to consider that there might be even more music that hasn't yet been released, I doubt they conclude that there's a sizeable (and sadly *that's* debatable) community that is desperately waiting for that music to be released.

 

In short, they probably know and care about as much about film music as I do about cars or football, or even less.

 

"Complete" in that context makes sense - and in some others. The set is complete insofar as it contains every soundtrack from the series. No, it doesn't contain every second of music from the series - see above. "Complete" is a marketing term - c.f. the "complete recordings" of the LOTR scores, which certainly aren't the complete *recordings* (those would be hours and hours more, and most of them would be uninteresting). They're not calling them "expanded" - and even that could be argued for, because the first three *are* expanded compared to the OST albums.

 

This release is redundant. It's horribly overpriced. I don't believe it's a scam.

 

Ultimately, the problem is that these releases are handled by business people instead of artists/fans.

[HanFiredFirst 37]

3 minutes ago, crumbs said:

Is it a safe assumption that we're effectively screwed either way now? 

 

If this set tanks, Disney will never invest time or money into proper remasters, much less pay the AFM fees to expand 4 and 5, because they'll assume there's no interest. 

 

If the set sells well, they'll just keep this in print forever, because there's no point spending money to make a superior product if this lazy trash turns an easy profit instead. 

 

It will take the personal intervention of Spielberg, Williams or Mangold at this point to get expansions off the ground now. It's plainly obvious Disney do not give a fuck. 

Not sure. If you look at Solo, that got a standard CD release, then an expanded digital-only release, and now has an Intrada double CD release. Roger Feigelson has been very supportive of Disney, and hinted at future works, so I don't think any doors are being shut because of this release.

[Bayesian 1,363]

1 minute ago, crumbs said:

Is it a safe assumption that we're effectively screwed either way now? 

 

If this set tanks, Disney will never invest time or money into proper remasters, much less pay the AFM fees to expand 4 and 5, because they'll assume there's no interest. 

 

If the set sells well, they'll just keep it in print forever, because there's no financial benefit in spending money on a superior product when lazy trash makes an easy profit instead. 

 

It will take the personal intervention of Spielberg, Williams or Mangold at this point to get expansions off the ground now. It's plainly obvious Disney do not give a fuck. 

There's also the likelihood that no company will want to be the target of a social media-based, wrongheaded witch-hunt for releasing an actually complete box set of OST expansions soon after issuing a box set they already called "complete". So, yeah, we're fucked.

[Holko 9,526]

12 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

In short, they probably know and care about as much about film music as I do about cars or football, or even less.

Difference is, you're not in charge of cars or football. If you were, you're a good guy and intelligent, you'd probably try and learn more about them to know what you're doing and be able to do it better. But these uninformed morons are in charge of film music and still stay ignorant.

[Marian Schedenig 8,200]

5 minutes ago, Holko said:

Difference is, you're not in fucking charge of cars or football. But these uninformed morons are in charge of film music and still stay ignorant.

 

Does Disney have a dedicated film music department comprised of people specifically hired for that particular topic? If not, they're ultimately just business people who happen to also handle this part of the merchandising (the driving force behind these releases, and behind standard soundtrack releases in general).

 

Ultimately, the further removed the higher ups who make the business decisions are from those actually creating the things that are sold, the less they know (or care) about the products, and the less informed their decisions will be. Film music isn't special in that regard - you get the same problem in every kind of business, including mine (software development). That's not a good thing, but it's also not the personal fault of those making the decisions (except to the extent that "business people" may be considered "evil" in general). It would be if they make those decisions against the better judgement and advice of their subordinates or professional advisors (as often happens, e.g. in software development, and obviously politics). But since Williams, Matessino, & Co aren't employed by Disney and don't work for them, I doubt Disney *has* people whose advise would have to be ignored to decide on such a release.

[Bellosh 3,419]

15 minutes ago, richiestudman said:

Not sure. If you look at Solo, that got a standard CD release, then an expanded digital-only release, and now has an Intrada double CD release. Roger Feigelson has been very supportive of Disney, and hinted at future works, so I don't think any doors are being shut because of this release.

 

They took the laziest, cheapest road possible with this.

 

But also...by your logic in this post, you're OKAY with Disney re-releasing this set and then double dipping on the same fan base for the complete ones down the line?!

 

See how silly that sounds.

 

 

[Tom 4,661]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Is this the longest thread title JWFan has ever had? 

As Williams would say, "too many notes."  

[HanFiredFirst 37]

2 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

 

They took the laziest, cheapest road possible with this.

 

But also...by your logic in this post, you're OKAY with Disney re-releasing this set and then double dipping on the same fan base for the complete ones down the line?!

 

See how silly that sounds.

 

 

I don't see the need to engage with you, to be honest - we're not going to agree so let's at the very least try to remain civil.

[Bellosh 3,419]

All the other threads were dead.

 

(I never do this joke so don't hate me)

[JTN 2,030]

1 hour ago, richiestudman said:

If you think it's overpriced, that's fine - don't buy it.

Has it occured to you that someone would want to buy it, but can't afford it? Not only rich people collect soundtracks, you know. 

[Bellosh 3,419]

Just now, richiestudman said:

I don't see the need to engage with you, to be honest - we're not going to agree so let's at the very least try to remain civil.

 

Figures after I kinda ruin your logic.

[The Lost Folio 183]

1 hour ago, richiestudman said:

Absolutely - the choice is always with the buyer.

 

Is it though? Is it? Of course nobody's forced to buy anything, and few on this forum will, because it is an abusive price tag that's completely disconnected from the current market value of physical media. The Harry Potter 7-cd set is $105, and that's a labor of love from a specialty label, beautifully restored and packaged with detailed liner notes. $150 (+tax +shipping) for a 5-cd reissue of 15-year-old masterings is an insult. The choice is not with the buyer anymore when products are artificially priced way above value, and several hundred percent above inflation rates. It's offensive to the buyer who then has little choice but to pass. I certainly do not feel like I have a choice. I prefer to buy the John Mauceri 16-cd box that's coming out tomorrow for cheaper than that. Because I do not feel like Decca, unlike Disney, is laughing at me.