MagicRat75 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 from 1994 to 1998 James Horner turned out his most popular scores. I enjoy The Perfect Storm and The Missing but all the stuff he is turning out now is sleepy stuff and offers little in the way of a nice melody that stays in your head and you can hum along to. With expectations as high as a John Williams score, I would buy his latest cd without seeing the movie but now I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 He turned out some great stuff in 1980 to 1993 also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karovd 0 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Amen to that - I actually prefer his earlier scores, imo he seems to just be stuck on autopilot after his success with Titanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Top JH Scores for me:KrullStar Trek IIDeep Impact...........ummmm..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Since 1994 the only Horner scores I would consider buying are...Apollo 13BraveheartThe Mask of ZorroJustin - Who owns Mighty Joe Young only because he got it when he was 12 (Not a terrible score though.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 I need to get some of his earlier stuff. Braveheart is the earliest I have of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesie 1 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Land Before Time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Don't forget Star Trek III as well...Though some of his later stuff I find irritating since he basically re-used a lot of his own music. I heard the Aliens score he did and I cringed when I heard the exact theme for Khan in it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 BrainstormAliensStar Trek II - The Wrath of KhanStar Trek III - The Search for SpockBattle Beyond the StarsKrullThose are the scores I can listen to anytime, start to finish. There are other things of his (usually variations on those scores above) that I also enjoy in bits and pieces.Note that all of those scores listed above were done at least 19 years ago.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 An American Tail and its sequel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 What about Willow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Willow is outstanding.It's also the first score to use the famed 4 note danger motif.Get it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 BrainstormAliensStar Trek II - The Wrath of KhanStar Trek III - The Search for SpockBattle Beyond the StarsKrullThose are all good (except Battle, which I don't know.... and I don't have Trek III on CD). Also the above mentioned Willow, though (everybody has read at least one of my posts about the Schumann ripoff)...I also like Mask of Zorro and Casper. And of course, his all-time best: Sneakers.Marian - who thinks Horner has been burnt out for about 10 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Willow is outstanding.It's also the first score to use the famed 4 note danger motif.Really? He never used it before that? Anyway, it's not his first Wagner ripoff, Krull is full of them.Marian - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 No one's mentioned The Rocketeer?! Good grief! Perhaps peak score of the famed 4 note danger motif? It also contains the perfection of his slam-bang finish end credits. But besides that, it has some fantastic original stuff. "The Flying Circus" and "The Zeppelin" are my favorites, probably, but everything else is amazing. It's stunning the energy in that score--it gives you a rush, sometimes! I'm definitely a big fan of his earlier work. The big, astic stuff--yeah, that's my favorite of his. Apollo 13 is a good one though, and I like what I've heard of Braveheart. His later stuff, though, just hasn't really interested me. Maybe I need to take another listen. Is it just me, or is he just not scoring the same kind of projects he used to? He's really not scoring the same fun, action-adventure movies he used to. Could that be the difference? I know some people riff on him a lot for copying stuff, but, man! It'd be great to hear that danger motif, or slam-bang finish in one of his scores again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 It also contains the perfection of his slam-bang finish end credits.So does Star Trek II.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesie 1 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Legends of the Fall has it's perdy moments. It's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony69 0 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 four feathers? it's prettyish. not that good but makes an okay listening experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRuleOfThirds 0 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I really enjoy "Night Game" from Radio. I must be in the minority. (No pun intended) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 My Favourite Horner scores:Krull Star Trek 2CocoonLand Before Time American TailCasperWillowK.M.Who can't believe no one mentionned Cocoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMan 0 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Braveheart, THE BEST Gloryand Casper was very sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Star Trek II: The Wrath of KhanKrullStar Trek III: The Search for SpockAliens WillowThe Land Before TimeGloryThe RocketeerIMO, The Rocketeer was Horner's last great score. He's had a really good scores since then (Legends of the Fall, Apollo 13, The Mask of Zorro) But nothing that really shines like the scores above.Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 YO MOMMA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codanai 0 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Willow and the Rocketeer are two of my very very favorites of his.And the 4 note danger motif is great, but it's just a Rachmaninov rip-off (from 1st symphony). And, of course, the main theme from Willow is Schumann. Yeah, I'm done, I'm sure this has been mentioned a billion times.But ALSO (lol), if you really like Horner try listening to Prokofiev's 4th symphony. Just start it from the very beginning. I can't say Horner rips off anything from it, but the opening melody sounds sooo Horner-like. (rather, Horner sounds so Prokofiev-like). In case you can't tell, I really enjoy finding connections with film music and concert/classical music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 And the 4 note danger motif is great, but it's just a Rachmaninov rip-off (from 1st symphony).As I said, I know it from Wagner...And, of course, the main theme from Willow is Schumann.While the score's other main theme is from Grieg, and that wonderful fanfare is from Strauss.Marian - who should listen to Krull again, where you can find tons of ripoffs, back to back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 These similarities are figments of your imagination, there is no evidence that I am aware of for this hypothesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I'm not too familiar with a lot of his earlier scores, but here are the Horner score I really like: Great ones:Star Trek II: The Wrath of KhanKrullSneakersLegends of the Fall Braveheart Apollo 13 Very good ones:Titanic A Beautiful Mind An American TailWillow GloryAmerican Tail: Fievel Goes WestAnd there are several not bad ones as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodMusician 56 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I'd have to agree. I think that James Horner has kinda burned out. I was really dissapointed when he frivolously used the same music fro A Beautiful Mind's opening as he used for Bicentenial Man's. I was really shocked. It's almost exactly the same.I love his older stuff like The Land Before Time, Willow, and a few of his newer ones like Titanic but past that, I don't listen to him or own anything much by him.His music sounds all the same. They almost always have a piano solo or some sort of piano part that sticks out above the orchestra. They also almost all have similar chord progessions. His music also has an almost celtic sound to it. It doesn't have much diversity eaither. Seriously. I was in a friends car listening to the XM radio. John Williams was on. I knew the track name, the movie, and what was happening in the scene. hehWe went to Wal-Mart, as we left...a new piece was playing. We listened to it. I didn't recognize it but I said "I would say James Horner, but I havn't heard a piano yet." No sooner had I said that, but the piano started. I then said "Well, it doesn't have the harp in it." again, no sooner had I said that, but the harp started playing. We all laughed. I then said "Well, I guess it's James Horner but it's really good! I must not have seen this movie or heard the music before."We then played with the display and figured out how to see the track name and artist--my friend had just gotten XM.It was James Horner and The Perfect Storm, which is a score I was pleasantly surprised by. I thought it was really good.I think my favourite score by him is eaither Titanic or Deep Impact. I love those scores. But he has defoinately lost his touch.That's one thing I can say for John Williams, he changes. He doesn't get stuck in one sound. He changes from movie to movie. You can seriously put the soundtracks in order by listening to them and figureing out their changes because they really just grow from one to the next.Not something I can say for James Horner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I really don't rate post-80s Horner at all. Apollo 13 I thought was a lot of nationalistic overblown crap. Willow, Krull, Battle Beyond the Stars, and the two Star Trek movies are all the Horner I find interesting. In answer to the question, yes I really think he burned out. What a great score composer he was in the 80s though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orrakul 0 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I was really dissapointed when he frivolously used the same music fro A Beautiful Mind's opening as he used for Bicentenial Man's. I was really shocked. It's almost exactly the same.He's been doing this type of thing for a while now.I think my favourite score by him is eaither Titanic or Deep Impact.Me too plus Braveheart, Apollo 13 and Glory.I don't know if he's burned out. Perhaps after winning an oscar and making such a huge amount of money on Titanic, he's just lost the fire in his belly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 For me, it's Brainstorm and STII Wrath of KhanBoth scores, gave the Orchestra a run for their money.Brainstorm really pushes the envelope with choir and orchestral effects.I also like his "Name of the Rose" (even though Horner himself wishes he'd never done it). There is nice bit when Connery and Slater arrive near the Monastery on horses, and it's exactly the piece of music Horner would use years later in Braveheart at the battle of Falkirk when you see Edward the 1st on his horse before the battle, and also when Wallace arrives home in Scotland on his horse after years away on pilgrimage. Therefore, i think we can assume that it's Horner's "Horse" motif. LOL. Horner has always re-used material he's done before, even at the beginings of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRuleOfThirds 0 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 I'd like to see him use the Blaster Beam again. I agree that the pre-90s stuff was his best. It's like that's when he was at his peak for writing fun scores, the 90s were his last shots at greatness with awesome dramatic scores, and now he's a has-been. Sneakers was the last fun score. One score I like is Cocoon and its sequel. Those are pretty good. Pretty familiar (The Return is "Genesis Countdown" note-for-note). But the main theme's really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 My favorites of Horner's:The Land Before TimeThe RocketeerGloryLegends of the FallI think they're all over ten years old. But when he was good, he was really good!Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 I like that loud 4 note brass motif in Cocoon that opens the score when we see shots of planets.I remember it really gave me goosebumps in the cinema.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeshopk 8 Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Willow is outstanding. It's also the first score to use the famed 4 note danger motif.Actually, that would be Alexander Nevsky by Prokofiev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeshopk 8 Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 I thought some of his music for Troy was actually very good, but given the time he spent on it, I kind of doubt what I'm hearing is his complete artistry. But it is at least very good sounding in some parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 It's funny to read through this thread and to see how it develops from a Horner bashing to a Horner admiring. :? Although I like Mask of Zorro, Jumanji, Perfect Storm and Apollo 13 to a certain extend, I still think the main bulk of what Horner produces is not much better than Zimmer and certainly not worth my money. MY money I said 8O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Willow is outstanding. It's also the first score to use the famed 4 note danger motif.Actually, that would be Alexander Nevsky by Prokofiev Shostakovich used it first, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Willow is outstanding. It's also the first score to use the famed 4 note danger motif.Actually, that would be Alexander Nevsky by Prokofiev Shostakovich used it first, I believe.My thought also. (D-S-C-H = D-Em-C-B = Dmitri Schostakovitch) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Horner's career took a spectacular nosedive since his cameo as Cadet Horner in SPACE SEED II.Hitch, who would welcome Jimmy to star in his forthcoming movie MY FINGER NEEDS CLEANING with Sharon Stone, Don Rickles and Mickey Rourke. Maybe I should call Steve Guttenberg out of retirement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYPHER 1 Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 But ALSO (lol), if you really like Horner try listening to Prokofiev's 4th symphony. Just start it from the very beginning. I can't say Horner rips off anything from it, but the opening melody sounds sooo Horner-like. (rather, Horner sounds so Prokofiev-like). In case you can't tell, I really enjoy finding connections with film music and concert/classical music. Hmmm... I think I know the one you're talking about. But I always thought it was Tchaikovsky's 4th? Regardless, there's a first movement out there that sounds deliciously Horner-ific. I was planning on getting it one of these days, but now I'm not so sure I know what I'm talking about. Can anyone who has listened to both symphonies confirm which one I'm probably referring to? Or did Horner rip them both off? Thanks guys. CYPHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Horner's not bad, but he's not great either.Horner scores I like:Star Trek II: The Wrath of KahnAliensThe Land Before TimeBraveheartA Beautiful MindTroyHorner scores I was disappointed by:WillowLegends of the FallApollo 13Horner I hate:Patriot GamesTitanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 On 8/3/2005 at 5:58 AM, Þekþiþm said: Horner's not bad, but he's not great either. Horner I hate: Titanic Bayesian and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 oooooo unfortunate title wording Not Mr. Big and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,465 Posted June 3, 2020 Share Posted June 3, 2020 On 7/29/2005 at 4:34 PM, MagicRat75 said: from 1994 to 1998 James Horner turned out his most popular scores. I enjoy The Perfect Storm and The Missing but all the stuff he is turning out now is sleepy stuff and offers little in the way of a nice melody that stays in your head and you can hum along to. With expectations as high as a John Williams score, I would buy his latest cd without seeing the movie but now I don't. Bicentennial Man, The Perfect Storm, A Beautiful Mind, The Missing, House of Sand and Fog, The New World... All of them came out between 1999 and this post. After that, we had The Boy in the Stripped Pajamas, Avatar (works fine in the movie) and The Amazing Spider-Man. I understand getting nostalgical for 80s and 90s Horner, but there's a lot to like on his late career, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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