Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (James Mangold, June 30 2023)

[Faleel 5,354]

4 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said:

I read they awarded harrison an honorary palm d’or?

Palm odor ??

[JTN 2,030]

4 hours ago, mrbellamy said:

He definitely should have an honorary Oscar 

Years ago. He’s an American actor legend who gets a Palm d’Or before getting an Oscar. Shame on Hollywood.

[Tom 4,661]

25 minutes ago, JTW said:

Years ago. He’s an American actor legend who gets a Palm d’Or before getting an Oscar. Shame on Hollywood.

He has the AFI award, which in my mind is much more prestigious than an Oscar--but I know many here do not agree with me on that.  

[Edmilson 7,466]

 

Bob Iger Has Watched ‘Dial of Destiny’ Five Times — and Says More Indy Franchise Extensions Are Possible

The executive and director James Mangold beamed to IndieWire about the Harrison Ford movie at its big festival debut

[Naïve Old Fart 9,537]

Of course he has, and of course he does.

Mangold isn't going to say: "Bob Iger saw Indy 5, and thought it was dog shite", is he?

Don't believe what you read.

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

2 hours ago, Edmilson said:

 

Bob Iger Has Watched ‘Dial of Destiny’ Five Times — and Says More Indy Franchise Extensions Are Possible

 

[Sweeping Strings 2,363]

https://www.indiewire.com/criticism/movies/indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-review-1234864859/

This review isn't too complimentary ... then again, it heaps praise on Crystal Skull and The Last Jedi so I dunno. 

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

They prioritise subversion.

[Brónach 1,302]

i read people say that booing in cannes is a good sign because they applaud bullshit with ten minute standing ovations and i laughed (came with a list of stuff that got booed)

 

if anything, it goes to show that sometimes you need to let stuff sit for a while

[TolkienSS 407]

7 hours ago, Edmilson said:

 

Bob Iger Has Watched ‘Dial of Destiny’ Five Times — and Says More Indy Franchise Extensions Are Possible

 

At this rate with a budget of 100 bucks.

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

What the article doesn't say is he fell asleep the first four times.

[Alex 2,835]

Strange how it seems to be the same people on the internet gleefully sharing the more negative critic reviews who dismissed any positive critic reviews of The Last Jedi.

[mstrox 6,651]

You all are like Charlie Brown with the football.  Please, leave the expectations at the door for a movie about a 400 year old Indiana Jones!

[Brónach 1,302]

even Indy in 1935 could already screw up

[Chen G. 3,949]

Good heavens, 33% rotten from twelve "top critics" reviews already! And Metacritic ain't much better! 

 

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/indiana_jones_and_the_dial_of_destiny

[Brónach 1,302]

worse than AOTC. that one has 65 tomatoes. i just checked. it's hilarious how many positive tomatoes it has.

[Chen G. 3,949]

I mean, its still a small number of reviews, so we'll have to wait and see. But typically these previews get the most positive responses (remember The Rise of Skywalker premiere?) and, generally, these aggregate scores tend to start high and go down. And they're all "Top critics" reviews so you can't blame it on review-blasting because of some political agenda.

 

Good grief.

[Alex 2,835]

9 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

Good heavens, 33% rotten from twelve "top critics" reviews already! And Metacritic ain't much better! 

 

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/indiana_jones_and_the_dial_of_destiny

Ah man. Mangold seemed so confident as well. I genuinely thought he’d knock it out of the park. 

[Brónach 1,302]

1 minute ago, Chen G. said:

I mean, its still a small number of reviews, but typically these previews get the most positive responses (remember The Rise of Skywalker premiere?) and, generally, these aggregate scores tend to start high and go down. And they're all "Top critics" reviews so you can't blame it on review-blasting because of some political agenda.

 

Good grief.

 

are you telling me that AOTC probably opened with MORE GOOD TOMATOES?

[Bespin 8,483]

Is he dying? That's all I want to know!

[Chen G. 3,949]

The way the plot is described in the reviews, it doesn't sound like it, no.

[Bespin 8,483]

You know, as they killed Han Solo, everything is possible. If they make another Jack Ryan movie, he'll die, if they make a Sabrina 2, Linus will die, etc.

 

[Chen G. 3,949]

3 minutes ago, Bespin said:

You know, as they killed Han Solo, everything is possible.

 

Star Wars (especially since 1980) is a fair bit less Quixotic than Indiana Jones, though...

 

I mean, Indiana Jones even passes on the obligatory father figure's death.

[Tom 4,661]

I remain hopeful that the movie will be very good, though the bloated runtime does worry me.  More is not better when it comes to Indy (other than the score, of course).  It is like an Olympic theme that runs for 10 minutes--you'd be exhausted somewhere in the middle.  

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

Just now, Tom said:

It is like an Olympic theme that runs for 10 minutes

 

I'd buy that.

[Bespin 8,483]

And how the Dial of Destiny works? Can I use it?

[Tallguy 3,398]

This thread is spoiler free, right? @Jay let me know, please, so I can tune out if need be.

[Jay 37,369]

Yes, this thread is spoiler free, there's a separate spoiler thread.

[GerateWohl 4,370]

40 minutes ago, Tom said:

I remain hopeful that the movie will be very good, though the bloated runtime does worry me.  More is not better when it comes to Indy (other than the score, of course).  It is like an Olympic theme that runs for 10 minutes--you'd be exhausted somewhere in the middle.  

I don't care how the movie is, but...

 

much runtime => much music

 

[Tom 4,661]

This one strikes me as a fair review--very positive but fairly notes some weak aspects.  One genuine spoiler in it by implication at least, so be warned.

https://www.slashfilm.com/1290690/indiana-jones-dial-of-destiny-review/

[Chen G. 3,949]

There are quite a few foreign language reviews not computed in the aggregates:

 

https://cinemaforever.net/cannes-kritik-indiana-jones-und-das-rad-des-schicksals-usa-2023/ (mixed)

https://cinemaserietv.it/film/recensioni/indiana-jones-e-il-quadrante-del-destino-recensione-del-film-con-harrison-ford/ (mixed)

https://www.cinefilos.it/tutto-film/recensioni/indiana-jones-e-il-quadrante-del-destino-573560 (positive)

https://www.moviebreak.de/film/indiana-jones-5 (mixed)

https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/entertainment/article/3221029/cannes-2023-indiana-jones-and-dial-destiny-movie-review-harrison-ford-fights-nazis-one-last-time (positive)

 

Collider quotes a three positive French reviews and one that's mixed.

[Sweeping Strings 2,363]

2 hours ago, Chen G. said:

Good heavens, 33% rotten from twelve "top critics" reviews already! And Metacritic ain't much better! 

 

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/indiana_jones_and_the_dial_of_destiny

Now 43% from 14 reviews. 

[Chen G. 3,949]

I've posted it elsewhere, but its:

 

43% "rotten" and 5.6/10 for all reviews (14).

33% "rotten" and 5.3 for "top critics" reviews (12)

51 on Metacritic, mostly (10 out 14 reviews) mixed.

 

Plus the (mostly mixed) foreign-language reviews above.

 

This is not going well.

[Bespin 8,483]

When you talk anout "rotten" you talk about the critic isn't it?

[Edmilson 7,466]

This is like Batman v Superman all over again. We were all eagerly antecipating the reviews, most people expecting a new superhero classic or at least a good movie... and most of the reviews were disastrous. An acquaintance of mine said that day was like 9/11 for DC fans (he didn't know then how awful things would get from there).

[Tallguy 3,398]

1 minute ago, Edmilson said:

This is like Batman v Superman all over again. We were all eagerly antecipating the reviews, most people expecting a new superhero classic or at least a good movie... and most of the reviews were disastrous. An acquaintance of mine said that day was like 9/11 for DC fans (he didn't know then how awful things would get from there).

 

Well for one thing we would then go see the movie. To this day I'm astonished at how much I love Man of Steel and what a crashing disappointment BvS is.

 

Indy: I'm back to my original plan. I'm not going opening weekend. I'll wait to hear from folks. Unfortunately most of the people whose opinions I trust are waiting to hear what I think of it! Crystal Skull burned us that bad.

[JNHFan2000 2,966]

Are we really all being influenced by what critics are saying.

 

I'm still so excited about this film. No matter what the reviews are saying. I love so many films that got bad reviews. Maybe that says something about me, but I don't care

[Chen G. 3,949]

35 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said:

Are we really all being influenced by what critics are saying.

 

No. But I'm sure the people behind the movie are not pleased at that...

[Tom 4,661]

We need to look on the bright side--dozens of reactions and not one gripe about the score.  I wanted JW to leave the franchise (and maybe film career) on a high note, which looks to be happening.  Hopefully the movie will still be a crowd-pleaser, even if not a critical darling.  

[Edmilson 7,466]

Well, the public's response to Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and especially Super Mario Bros was way more positive than the critics'. Maybe something similar can happen with this? I mean, even KotCS performed well at the box office because, despite being a terrible movie IMO, it was still crowdpleasing.

[Tom 4,661]

Another review pointing to what I think will be the key to its success--it is fun movie:

https://www.vulture.com/article/indiana-jones-5-is-too-entertaining-to-dismiss.html

[Chen G. 3,949]

21 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

even KotCS performed well at the box office because, despite being a terrible movie IMO, it was still crowdpleasing.

 

I don't doubt it will turn a nice profit. But for the meanwhile, its shaping up to be far less critically well-recieved than those other films you mentioned.

 

I mean, The Rise of Skywalker did $1 billion, too!

[Bilbo 3,709]

Yeah, major Rise of Skywalker vibes here.

 

 

[Brónach 1,302]

I think it's entirely acceptable that Rocket Raccoon is a relevant adventure blockbuster character and Indiana Jones isn't. It's 2023.

 

(the problem being the former thing is trapped inside the Marvel universe and that they don't pay comic creators)

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

1 hour ago, Bilbo said:

Yeah, major Rise of Skywalker vibes here.

 

 

Can't wait!!

[filmmusic 1,834]

@TheUlyssesian

I read in another thread that you watched the film.

How was it? better, same or worse than KOTS?

That 1 minute scene I saw was awful for me. Too much CGI!

[Brónach 1,302]

funnily enough, cgi serves the best scene in TROS, unlike the scenes stuck in trying to look like the OT

[filmmusic 1,834]

4 minutes ago, Brónach said:

funnily enough, cgi serves the best scene in TROS, unlike the scenes stuck in trying to look like the OT

What scene do you mean?

Although I don't remember the film. I saw it once, and I've forgotten it.

[Brónach 1,302]

the sequence in Endor. it's normal to forget TROS. It was never going to be able to be good. we just get glimpses at a cool movie that doesn't exist.

 

these movies failed rey, and failed anakin

 

i lost my point though, my point is that it would be impossible for indiana jones to make something with the same level of FUCK YEAH as Endor in TROS because it's Indiana Jones. it's not a cycle, it doesn't have fantasy CGI planets, daisy ridley isn't fighting adam driver in it, there can be nothing equivalent

[Andy 4,138]

5 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said:

Are we really all being influenced by what critics are saying.

 

I'm still so excited about this film. No matter what the reviews are saying. I love so many films that got bad reviews. Maybe that says something about me, but I don't care

You posted my thoughts 100%. 

 

2 hours ago, Bilbo said:

Yeah, major Rise of Skywalker vibes here.

 

 

Fine by me. I love that movie.